Why I am not an atheist.

[Evangelicalhumanist]

In the true sense that there's nothing like the experience of color anywhere in the universe except in a brain, so too, and ironically, God doesn't exist anywhere in the universe except in a human brain. The brain that believes "color" exists "out there" while arguing that God doesn't, is living in an illusion from which it's incapable of freeing itself.

Now to the next part of your argument.

But wait, let me pause just a moment to note that in all you've posted so far, you have not yet answered your own question in the topic: why you are not an atheist. I'm not sure what you are doing, but you are not making an argument against atheism. And what the dickens is a "tautological oxymoron?" It would almost certainly have to be something that refers to itself to refute itself, like one of Epimenides paradoxes.

In any case, there is an immense difference between the perception of colour, and the perception of God. The difference is very simply this: one is the result of very real physics upon our perceptual aparatus -- and the other is not.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

White flowers actually have colors and patterns invisible to our eyes.

They all do. That's why bees see them differently.

 

[Moses_UK]

It is beyond Christianity. It begins with the animism of our earliest ancestors and the observation that as the number of people in groups increases, as the base of knowledge of the society improves, we see an evolution of religious thought to adapt to these changes in society. All beliefs are included in the analysis including shamanism, polytheism, deism, etc. One must look at all religious beliefs and consider all the variables that contribute to religious belief, including psychological and social variables, in order to draw informed conclusions. You are tasked not simply with reconciling the discrepancies in one religious text, but with the differences among and between all religions.

Dear Mr Mike,

I am 100% certain you have looked at all religious beliefs except Islam. I am always curious as to why Nonreligious people look at all beliefs and paint them as the same. It's virtually impossible to make an informed decision and conclusion without studying ALL faiths.

 

[Moses_UK]

That's incorrect. My being an atheist has nothing to do with the details of Christianity or Jesus. I don't believe that God or Allah exist because nether Christians nor Muslims, respectively, have demonstrated that either being exist. Until that foundational claim has been established, the absurdities and inaccuracies of Muslim and Christian doctrines are irrelevant.

What do you know about Islam except what the media tells you?

 

[ppp]

What do you know about Islam except what the media tells you?

Lots of things. But the only one that matters is that Muslims claims that there is an extant god.

 

[Moses_UK]

Lots of things. But the only one that matters is that Muslims claims that there is an extant god.

Have you read the Quran?

 

[ppp]

Have you read the Quran?

Why do you ask?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Are you expecting us to read your book to be able to partake in this thread?

Ooh! Ooh! I will.

Standard fees and rates apply.

 

[Moses_UK]

Why do you ask?

To understand the reasons why Muslims believe in God is in the Quran. This would give you some clues and you may understand some arguments for God.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

To understand the reasons why Muslims believe in God is in the Quran. This would give you some clues and you may understand some arguments for God.

And you suppose that the Tanakh has nothing to do with why Jews believe as they do, or the New Testament has nothing to do with why Christians believe as they do, or the Granth Guru Sahib has nothing to do with why Sikhs believe as they do, or....?

 

[ppp]

To understand the reasons why Muslims believe in God is in the Quran. This would give you some clues and you may understand some arguments for God.

The reasons in the Koran are all subordinate to the initial assumption that a god exists.

 

[Moses_UK]

And you suppose that the Tanakh has nothing to do with why Jews believe as they do, or the New Testament has nothing to do with why Christians believe as they do, or the Granth Guru Sahib has nothing to do with why Sikhs believe as they do, or....?

It is wise to look at all faiths equally with an open mind and heart and judge if there's truth in them. What I have personally noticed is that people who have no faith disregard all religions as fraud without truly understanding them.

I have read the old and new testament and concluded that they couldn't come from God. If you were to question my reasons, you would realize I have a solid knowledge of both books and can give you exact reasons. I have read the Sikh and Hindu Scripts and can't find logical reasons why they are correct.

I would hope all people with faith and non-faiths learn and then make judgements, without painting all faiths with 1 brush.

 

[Moses_UK]

The reasons in the Koran are all subordinate to the initial assumption that a god exists.

How can I make a statement and be taken seriously about the reasons Romeo and Juliet killed themselves at the end of the play if I haven't read Shakespeare. Your making statements again without solid grounding to why Muslims believe in a creator.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How can I make a statement and be taken seriously about the reasons Romeo and Juliet killed themselves at the end of the play if I haven't read Shakespeare. Your making statements again without solid grounding to why Muslims believe in a creator.

If there are valid reasons why Muslims believe in a creator why don't you post them here?

 

[ppp]

How can I make a statement and be taken seriously about the reasons Romeo and Juliet killed themselves at the end of the play if I haven't read Shakespeare.

You mean the work of fiction "Romeo and Juliet"?

Your making statements again without solid grounding to why Muslims believe in a creator.

What inspires you to believe is uninteresting. I only care if you can demonstrate that a god exists in the real world using reason and evidence. Until you can do that the Koran only has value as a mythological text.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It is wise to look at all faiths equally with an open mind and heart and judge if there's truth in them. What I have personally noticed is that people who have no faith disregard all religions as fraud without truly understanding them.

I have read the old and new testament and concluded that they couldn't come from God. If you were to question my reasons, you would realize I have a solid knowledge of both books and can give you exact reasons. I have read the Sikh and Hindu Scripts and can't find logical reasons why they are correct.

I would hope all people with faith and non-faiths learn and then make judgements, without painting all faiths with 1 brush.

People with no faith do not disregard all religions as fraud, and we may understand more than you think. What we do, however, is notice that even if a religion says something that is true -- like do not do to others what you would not wish done to yourself -- that is still zero evidence of the existence of any deity. It is, on the other hand, good evidence of a species of animal capable of observing, learning and developing general conclusions that are effective for the survival of the species.

 

[Moses_UK]

You mean the work of fiction "Romeo and Juliet"?

Students in grade 10 in the UK, sit an exam that tests their knowledge about the fictional book I mentioned. My point was if I have never read the fictional book I couldn't make statements in the exam and expect to pass.

What inspires you to believe is uninteresting. I only care if you can demonstrate that a god exists in the real world using reason and evidence. Until you can do that the Koran only has value as a mythological text.

Again your makeing nonsensical statements about a book you haven't read. I didn't at no point state that the Quran inspires me to believe. I believe due to the factual information which is contained in the Quran.

This reason and evidence that you keep mentioning are in the Quran which you so despise.

Subconsciously westerners, band Islam in the category of lunatics and brown poor people. If they were to understand that Islam for 1000s of years introduced technological and scientific advancement to the world, their lens might change. The European renaissance would not have happened if Muslims didn’t share their knowledge with the backward medieval Europeans.


Arrogance, ignorance, and self-indulgence restrict people to investigate what Muslims believe in.

 

[Moses_UK]

People with no faith do not disregard all religions as fraud, and we may understand more than you think. What we do, however, is notice that even if a religion says something that is true -- like do not do to others what you would not wish done to yourself -- that is still zero evidence of the existence of any deity.
I will make a bold statement and say that the Quran not only inspires me but gives me solid evidence in a creator. You will not understand it because you haven't read the Quran. I believe it's a lazy approach condemning theists without understanding WHY they believe in a creator.

It is, on the other hand, good evidence of a species of animal capable of observing, learning and developing general conclusions that are effective for the survival of the species.

 

[ppp]

This reason and evidence that you keep mentioning are in the Quran which you so despise.

If books contained evidence then destroying all the books on a subject would destroy the evidence. One could destroy all of the books about elephants or relativity, and there would no longer be evidence of either. Evidence of objectively real phenomenon is not found in books. Only claims and reasoning.

 

[Moses_UK]

If books contained evidence then destroying all the books on a subject would destroy the evidence. One could destroy all of the books about elephants or relativity, and there would no longer be evidence of either. Evidence of objectively real phenomenon is not found in books. Only claims and reasoning.

see, that's your lack of knowledge about Islam and the Quran again. the Quran was verbally transmitted to the Prophet 1400 + years ago and it has been preserved ever since.

look at the link below and try to challenge me after.


http://www.r-islam.com/en/images/RS-En-Books/allahs_miracles_in_the_quran.pdf