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Why I believe God Created Life.

Darkstorn

This shows how unique i am.
Evolutionist Robert Naeye writes regarding life that it is the result of "a long sequence of improbable events transpired in just the right way to bring forth our existence, as if we had won a million-dollar lottery a million times in a row."

"Chance,and chance alone, did it all, from the primeval soup to man." Nobel laureate Christian de Duve.

"Pure chance, absolutely free but blind, [is] at the root of the stupendous edifice of evolution." "Man knows at last that he is alone in the universe's unfeeling immensity, out of which he emerged only by chance." Nobel laureate Jacques L. Monod.

Perhaps your argument is with other evolutionists?

Sorry for the late reply: i had forgotten i posted here, but you deserve a reply nonetheless.

"Chance" or "luck" is a human concept: To convey that a series of preferable events happened, even if seemingly unlikely.

That is it. In actual reality, chance or luck does NOT exist. Every single phenomena is the result of earlier phenomena prior to it: It's all inherently connected and not in any supernatural way even: Rather, the universe is a series of events that have resulted in its current form.

NOTHING of that is random: We do not fully understand the entire process. Only that it is not random.

True randomness does not exist either: This is important to understand in every day usage. By definition: A computer cannot be random: The "variable" for random is a non-randomly defined string of actions: It is ALL *seemingly* random. A human also cannot be random: Every action is a result of an interaction of your mind and body; Again, it can be seemingly random but each and every consequence can be reduced to a cause.

The same is true for the universe. Something / someone caused it to happen. Then the consequences of these causes further gave rise to other phenomena through their mutual interaction: This is what we call physics.

So you see: There is no luck. There is no chance. There is no random: Even seemingly random things will eventually prove to be in complete order. Imagine a string of numbers, like for example:

131314212412151256 09651298512521551 623462363266236 131314212412151256 09651298512521551 623462363266236

You have two seemingly random number strings that are completely identical: This shows us why things seem random to us: There is no logic until we understand the logic. If a number string is large enough, it can seem random by its virtue of being so long that it would not be apparent that it is in fact repeating itself and thus would be completely ordered. Imagine sequence of "random" numbers with a billion digits. It would repeat itself over every 200, 000 digits. Our minds would have incredible difficulty seeing the fact that it is in fact repeating and would constitute this as random.

A sequence of improbable events isn't random or by chance: It's merely improbable. Nothing more.

TLDR: There is no random. As such, there is no luck nor chance. There is "subjective" chance: Our perspective. Things can seem lucky or happening by chance: But this is to convey a message in speech. The actual universe does not work by these literal devices.

Even then: Some languages don't have any term for "luck" or "chance."

/E: Evolution's main point is that it happens because of life's adaptation to its environments. NOTHING of evolution has ever been considered random or by chance: Otherwise it wouldn't be as logical as it was: There is logic why giraffes have longer necks. There's a reason why humans have lesser senses of smell and sound compared to most animals. Even to other primates.

/E2: Funnily, i made the following realization: Almost all religions claim there's a creator god. Thus even then, at best, the actions of such a god would only be random to US. Not to him/her: There were probably reasons why they did what they did.

/E3: Bear with me: But even lottery is not actually chance. This is obvious.
 
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rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
How do you explain how God came into being?

I asked you first, but OK. The Bible explains that God has always existed. Psalm 90:2 states that "Before the mountains were born Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land, From everlasting to everlasting, you are God." Revelation 15:3 says regarding the true God;"“Great and wonderful are your works, Jehovah God, the Almighty. Righteous and true are your ways, King of eternity." This "King of eternity" has always existed and always will. Thus, I believe he can grant us the gift of everlasting life, as he has promised to do. (Titus 1:2)
So, how do you believe the universe came into existence?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I asked you first, but OK. The Bible explains that God has always existed. Psalm 90:2 states that "Before the mountains were born Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land, From everlasting to everlasting, you are God." Revelation 15:3 says regarding the true God;"“Great and wonderful are your works, Jehovah God, the Almighty. Righteous and true are your ways, King of eternity." This "King of eternity" has always existed and always will. Thus, I believe he can grant us the gift of everlasting life, as he has promised to do. (Titus 1:2)
How can something, even a god, have "always existed"?

You've introducde the idea that a certain category of things could have always existed. What reason do you have to conclude that the only things in this category are gods?
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Why I believe God Created Life?


If not the One-True-God; who else would have created the Universe and life in it?

Regards
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Where did the author say that nature can get rid of a suboptimal design with one huge lucky mutation? You quoted him as saying "during the millions of generations of mutations from fish to the giraffe onward?" Your dismissal of this renowned scientist over something he didn't say is not valid. Also, why should men not have nipples?

Because making it slightly shorter does not provide any advantage that can help the next generation. Therefore the shortening of the nerve will probably cause a rip or a tension which is not naturally selected, for obvious reasons.

So, either the optimization takes place at once or it does not take place at all.

And this is exactly what we should expect if slow evolution is true. And we should not observe if there were a plan thought in advance; a plan in which giraffes start up with a long neck.

Ciao

- viole
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Because making it slightly shorter does not provide any advantage that can help the next generation. Therefore the shortening of the nerve will probably cause a rip or a tension which is not naturally selected, for obvious reasons.

So, either the optimization takes place at once or it does not take place at all.

And this is exactly what we should expect if slow evolution is true. And we should not observe if there were a plan thought in advance; a plan in which giraffes start up with a long neck.

Ciao

- viole
Haha I've never really heard it put that way. "Slow" evolution, how astute.
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
How can something, even a god, have "always existed"?

You've introducde the idea that a certain category of things could have always existed. What reason do you have to conclude that the only things in this category are gods?

Not gods; One and only one God. The Bible and Science tell us the universe had a beginning. The Bible tells us all persons, spirit and human, including God's first-born Son, Jesus Christ, were created and had a beginning. (Colossians 1:15)
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Because making it slightly shorter does not provide any advantage that can help the next generation. Therefore the shortening of the nerve will probably cause a rip or a tension which is not naturally selected, for obvious reasons.

So, either the optimization takes place at once or it does not take place at all.

And this is exactly what we should expect if slow evolution is true. And we should not observe if there were a plan thought in advance; a plan in which giraffes start up with a long neck.

Ciao

- viole

The facts are (as the scientific paper I referenced shows), that the giraffe's nerve does much more than service the larynx. As with "junk DNA" and claimed vestigial organs, evolutionists like Dawkins got this one wrong also.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
The facts are (as the scientific paper I referenced shows), that the giraffe's nerve does much more than service the larynx. As with "junk DNA" and claimed vestigial organs, evolutionists like Dawkins got this one wrong also.

So basically your just saying there is a reason for every code in our body. Uh, perhaps yes, the reason is it came from their parents with minor variations. We are never exact copies and sometimes crappy things happen when dna is getting put together. It ain't all good thats for sure, bad stuff happens, very bad design flaws. Are you aware of all the possible genetic diseases animals and humans can have and do have. And these things happen naturally not just from the sins of man.
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So basically your just saying there is a reason for every code in our body. Uh, perhaps yes, the reason is it came from their parents with minor variations. We are never exact copies and sometimes crappy things happen when dna is getting put together. It ain't all good thats for sure, bad stuff happens, very bad design flaws. Are you aware of all the possible genetic diseases animals and humans can have and do have. And these things happen naturally not just from the sins of man.

I think it is the sin received from inheritance from our common ancestor Adam that introduced all manner of evil diseases and defects into the human family. God's Word explains that "through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned —." (Romans 5:12) that is why we find it difficult to do what is good, and easy to do what is bad.(Romans 7:21-23)
As for animals, they were not created to live forever. Clearly, animals are suffering due to the mismanagement and polluting done by mankind.
 

Simurgh

Atheist Triple Goddess
I think it is the sin received from inheritance from our common ancestor Adam that introduced all manner of evil diseases and defects into the human family. God's Word explains that "through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned —." (Romans 5:12) that is why we find it difficult to do what is good, and easy to do what is bad.(Romans 7:21-23)
As for animals, they were not created to live forever. Clearly, animals are suffering due to the mismanagement and polluting done by mankind.


Personally, I am just upset that if man caused all that nastiness and triggered the punishment reflex in your god, then why are women suffering so much more? That is inherently unjust.
 

Triumphant_Loser

Libertarian Egalitarian
I asked you first, but OK. The Bible explains that God has always existed. Psalm 90:2 states that "Before the mountains were born Or you brought forth the earth and the productive land, From everlasting to everlasting, you are God." Revelation 15:3 says regarding the true God;"“Great and wonderful are your works, Jehovah God, the Almighty. Righteous and true are your ways, King of eternity." This "King of eternity" has always existed and always will. Thus, I believe he can grant us the gift of everlasting life, as he has promised to do. (Titus 1:2)
So, how do you believe the universe came into existence?

Ok, and since you asked me, I believe the universe came into existence about 13.7 billion years ago when everything was a hot dense ball of matter that expanded into our observable universe, and continues to expand to this day. The Earth formed a little later... around 4.6 billion years ago by a cloud of dust and gas, along with the sun. I go with this one, because there is evidence to support it. (For example... if the universe were only 6,000 years old, as the creationists say it is, then we would not be able to see any of the galaxies and stars that are more than 6,000 light years away, because the light would not have been able to reach the Earth by now.)
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Personally, I am just upset that if man caused all that nastiness and triggered the punishment reflex in your god, then why are women suffering so much more? That is inherently unjust.

Don't forget that Eve was the first human to rebel against God. I don't know that women suffer more than men. Maybe they do. Why do you say women suffer more?
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Ok, and since you asked me, I believe the universe came into existence about 13.7 billion years ago when everything was a hot dense ball of matter that expanded into our observable universe, and continues to expand to this day. The Earth formed a little later... around 4.6 billion years ago by a cloud of dust and gas, along with the sun. I go with this one, because there is evidence to support it. (For example... if the universe were only 6,000 years old, as the creationists say it is, then we would not be able to see any of the galaxies and stars that are more than 6,000 light years away, because the light would not have been able to reach the Earth by now.)

I agree the universe is billions of years old. The creationists are wrong in claiming the earth and universe were created mere thousands of years ago. The Bible does not say that. Any thoughts as to who or what caused the Big Bang?
 

McBell

Unbound
Dear Mestemia, Sure I did. Here it is:

>>>>>>>>God's command brought life to our Planet, beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time, as Science has discovered.<<<<<<<<

I'm sorry you missed it. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Yes you did.
Yes I did.

Thank you for pointing it out.
 

Triumphant_Loser

Libertarian Egalitarian
I agree the universe is billions of years old. The creationists are wrong in claiming the earth and universe were created mere thousands of years ago. The Bible does not say that. Any thoughts as to who or what caused the Big Bang?

God. But I do not believe it interfered any further than that.
 

Simurgh

Atheist Triple Goddess
Don't forget that Eve was the first human to rebel against God. I don't know that women suffer more than men. Maybe they do. Why do you say women suffer more?

Hey, god apparently told Adam not to eat the forbidden fruit, not Eve. So she was not included in tat edict. Adam should have said no, after all the rules were for him not her.
Eve did not rebel against anything, she was not included in that ******* contest over power and just munched on a bit of fruit to let the guys finish their dick measuring contest.

Are you serious? Of course women suffer more. The whole pregnancy, birth thing is not something i would consider a minor inconvenience. And all the discrimination that comes along with being female? That is not a walk in the park either.
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Hey, god apparently told Adam not to eat the forbidden fruit, not Eve. So she was not included in tat edict. Adam should have said no, after all the rules were for him not her.
Eve did not rebel against anything, she was not included in that ******* contest over power and just munched on a bit of fruit to let the guys finish their dick measuring contest.

Are you serious? Of course women suffer more. The whole pregnancy, birth thing is not something i would consider a minor inconvenience. And all the discrimination that comes along with being female? That is not a walk in the park either.

We cannot let Eve off the hook for what she did. Genesis 3:1,2 reports:"Now the serpent was the most cautious of all the wild animals of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it said to the woman: “Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden? ” At this the woman said to the serpent: “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden. *But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’”
She knew God's command but allowed Satan to instill in her the desire to be like God. She believed Satan's lies but became guilty for what she did. (1 Timothy 2:12,13) I agree women have suffered much, as has all mankind. It makes me happy to know that God will soon end all this pain and suffering so we can enjoy life as we really should. (Revelation 21:3,4)
 
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