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Why I CANNOT Believe in The Resurrection

John1.12

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Excellent. Share the facts and coherent argument that convinced your objective mind.
Until you change your mind about the Gospel ,the Bible and Jesus , you will continue to go in the direction your going and believing what you believe . The mind is a funny thing .
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
“The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while he slept, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and hastened away. And so when the young blades sprang up and later were about to bring forth fruit, there appeared also the weeds. Then the servants of this householder came and said to him: `Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? Whence then come these weeds?' And he replied to his servants, `An enemy has done this.' The servants then asked their master, `Would you have us go out and pluck up these weeds?' But he answered them and said: `No, lest while you are gathering them up, you uproot the wheat also. Rather let them both grow together until the time of the harvest, when I will say to the reapers, Gather up first the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn and then gather up the wheat to be stored in my barn.'”

“The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed which a man sowed in his field. Now a mustard seed is the least of seeds, but when it is full grown, it becomes the greatest of all herbs and is like a tree so that the birds of heaven are able to come and rest in the branches thereof.”

“The kingdom of heaven is also like leaven which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, and in this way it came about that all of the meal was leavened.”

“The kingdom of heaven is also like a treasure hidden in a field, which a man discovered. In his joy he went forth to sell all he had that he might have the money to buy the field.”

“The kingdom of heaven is also like a merchant seeking goodly pearls; and having found one pearl of great price, he went out and sold everything he possessed that he might be able to buy the extraordinary pearl.”

“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a sweep net which was cast into the sea, and it gathered up every kind of fish. Now, when the net was filled, the fishermen drew it up on the beach, where they sat down and sorted out the fish, gathering the good into vessels while the bad they threw away.”
 
That does not appear to be the case. It is an empty claim that you make but cannot justify.
You remind me of this:
“And the LORD has sent to you all His servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, but you have not listened nor inclined your ear to hear.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭25:4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
What 12 teams of writers are you referring to? There are supposedly only 9 authors of the NT books, and none of them were "teams" I am aware of. If you have 12 teams, you've got minimally 24 authors (if your 'team' is only 2 people). That doesn't exactly align with the books of the NT.

But again, I do need to correct you on your use of mythology. That does not mean falsehoods or lies. It means symbolic stories. The historical details of it, are besides the point. That's why there are considered mythological in nature. They are symbolic, not historical in nature. They are not about recording history. They are about promoting a message.

And yes, they would be willing to risk death to tell their message. People do that all the time. That does not mean it's factual history because they do. Just look at the "Big Lie" on January 6, and people willing to go to prison or suffer death for that "message."

Not that Trump's Big Lie, and the gospels are comparable at all, but it proves the point that "risk" is not a factor for those who create mythologies.

I don't want to argue, let's say 9. Each one had a scribe. But I dislike when you argue from a non-Bible "knowledge space". "Timothy our fellow worker greets you, as does Erasmus, etc." TEAMS.

Yes, some myth makers argue and risk death. Please explain why NINE TEAMS or GROUPS of people arguing hundreds of miles and years apart all took the polar opposite view on their source text, life and religion to promote a resurrected dead man -- to be persecuted.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I used to believe all the garbage ,from the atheists ,about what they said about the bible. I never trusted it ,I assumed all the ' experts ' and respected folks ,there opinions, there world view and what they said the bible was . All that changed when I read it for myself.
Why make the mistake of saying proper scholastic discoveries come only from atheists? You appear to be smearing Christians.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Until you change your mind about the Gospel ,the Bible and Jesus , you will continue to go in the direction your going and believing what you believe . The mind is a funny thing .
Why would I want to change my mind? Beliefs should be evidence based and that appears to be missing for the Christians.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You remind me of this:
“And the LORD has sent to you all His servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, but you have not listened nor inclined your ear to hear.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭25:4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
The "prophets" do not appear to know how to communicate properly. And that would be the fault of the one that chose and sent them.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't want to argue, let's say 9. Each one had a scribe. But I dislike when you argue from a non-Bible "knowledge space". "Timothy our fellow worker greets you, as does Erasmus, etc." TEAMS.
Even so, even if they had a scribe, which is not always the case, a scribe does not make a team of authors. A scribe is not an author. We have 9 authors, not 12 teams of authors.

If you want to include the support staff, then you could include the papyrus makers too, and the ink makers as part of that team effort. But I think that's more than a stretch. I'd just drop the idea of calling it a team, as that doesn't fit. We're talking about the actual authors, not their support staff. :)

Yes, some myth makers argue and risk death. Please explain why NINE TEAMS or GROUPS of people arguing hundreds of miles and years apart all took the polar opposite view on their source text, life and religion to promote a resurrected dead man -- to be persecuted.
Why different authors from different regions of the Roman Empire, at different times in history all were saying similar things, is simple. They all reflect that belief system. Belief systems spread and many different people from different parts of the world participate in them. That it puts them at odds with the main system of the day, and puts them at risk for doing so, is nothing unique to Christian beliefs.

This is as common as air. You can see it everywhere in history, where different groups of followers who challenge the status quo are persecuted for it. They all still participate, knowing they will be persecuted for it. People do this all the time, regardless of the belief system. The Christian experience, was just one example of a very common human social phenomena throughout all of history, down to today.

What was your point?
 
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sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Well that's a first. I've never heard anyone ever claim this is the proper interpretation
Read 1 John chapter 4

None of this makes any sense. Certainly your God knew Jesus was going to be used as a sacrifice, yes? Or does your God not see the future and it is acting only on available information in the moment?
God is in all times and places.
And if the God didn't know Jesus was going to be sacrificed why did God accept Jesus' death as a sacrifice at all?
I don’t think God “accepted a sacrifice” as you mean it.
The whole Jesus myth is absurd, but your version takes it to a new level. None of your view is workable or consistent.
Probably not with the foundation of your assumptions and biases.
Be an atheist, that's your wake up call.
No. It isn’t. I don’t think God is who you think I believe God is.
What is God made up of is it is substance?
Light. Energy. The fields that comprise the universe.

Tens of thousands were crucified. Many were rescued. It was a brutal punishment by the Romans. It's not like Jesus suffered any worse than the other people
I never said he did. But his suffering was a sacrifice of his well being.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
If you're really tuned into the Spirit, I understand you can pick the right numbers for this weeks lottery too! This is what happens when you don't study to show yourself approved. Magical thinking.
You can also turn on and drop out.


Just sayin’...
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I read the bible and saw it was true .
OK, what is the evidence that you found compelling that it is more likely true than invented? Explain your logical process.


prior to reading it I believed what others said about it .
Why? What did they say that convinced you they assess the Bible objectively and came to objective and logical conclusions?
 
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