What standards are you referring to? And what makes them true?
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Why I CANNOT Believe in The Resurrection
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So all you can say is that you believe in an interpretation that isn't typical or popular. So explain why your interpretation is more valid than the rest of Christianity.
You're not explaining how God could impregagntae Mary and not know Jesus was going to be a sacrifice to God itself, and also that God and Jesus and the HS are all the same at the same time, ..... Do you have no explanation how this makes any sense at all? You seem to have no answers for why your believe all this. Maybe you haven't thought it through and your beliefs are ,mistaken.
So no salvation for mankind like the Bible says? The whole idea of salvation is because Jesus was a sacrifice to God, so are you saying there isn't salvation? Do you have no answers here?
Your lack of a coherent explanation to the whole Jesus myth is terrible. You seem to have a lot of conflicting beliefs, and many that are contrary to basic beliefs in Christianity.
Well that's the advantage of being a theist, you can make God into whatever image you want.
So you've decided God is matter. Why have you done this? What is supernatural about the material of nature?
What purpose was this sacrifice? How was it useful? Why did it have to happen?
Subduction Zone
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Which "prophets" are you talking about? Clearly not any from the New Testament. Most of those stories are just church tradition. Paul appears to be the only case that has some support.
By the way, there is no sin to watching properly made (no abuse of actors) pornography. If anything it is a sin to oppose that. You need more than a book of myths to call something a sin. So why would I need to atone for a non-sin?
That's not what I said . Take care to read peoples comments carefully before responding.
What standard are you using ?
As for an event that happened 2000 years the ' evidence ' is painfully clear . You just don't believe it . Which is the whole point .
Only because you believe that. The mind is a funny thing. You can persist in unbelief.
Subduction Zone
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Then what are you saying? You do not realize that it was Christians that first refuted many of the stories of the Bible. Your post indicated that only atheists are bright enough to see reality. That was a smear of Christians by you. If I said "Christians are too dumb to understand geology" that would be both a smear and a lie. There are many Christians that do and have understood geology in the past. The Flood of Noah myth was first refuted by Christian geologists. Not atheist geologists. Not Muslim geologists. Christian ones.
Subduction Zone
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What evidence are you talking about? Christians claims this but never can seem to produce any reliable evidence.
What more evidence could you possibly want given the time period it took place . The evidence is incredible if we are realistic in what criteria we expect for 2000 years ago .
I think Charles lyell would beg to differ .
Subduction Zone
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Let's watch the false claims. You are accusing others of your flaws.
Post the supposed evidence. I do not think that you even understand the concept of evidence.
Subduction Zone
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Nope. Not evidence. Not even close.
Like I just said, you do not even appear to understand the concept of evidence.
The resurrection is refuted by analysis alone.
The ' evidence ' was written down by eye witnesses. This is painfully clear when you read it . Unless you already have a strong bias , and the worldview you currently hold blinds you .
2000 years ago . The claim is 'no body '. Hello !!
Subduction Zone
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What makes you think that he was not a Christian?
That is true as well, and a sort of magical thinking as well. Spirituality can be escapism. In fact, it can be more of an avoidance of God than disbelief is. Spiritual bypassing is a thing, where you delude yourself into thinking your on the path because of how much of a "believer" you are.
I think that was a primary focus of Jesus's message, telling religious folks not to deceive themselves by how righteous they think there are by how much they believe in and follow the law. Genuine growth requires being challenged to change how you think, not to dig in deeper.
Subduction Zone
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Really? I am unaware of any eyewitness records. The last time I checked those are totally lacking.
Subduction Zone
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Right, and if you knew the history of the time you would know why that was false.
The bible gives the details of Jesus life, his teachings and who he claimed to be . Muhammad comes along 600 teats after the fact , as one witness to a visitation in a cave by an angel, conveniently no eyewitnesses to this event ,and we have a different account of Jesus from the biblical one . A Jesus who didn't die on a cross ( which even most scholars who don't believe the bible conclude Jesus did die on a cross ) And was just a prophet 2nd to Muhammed . How convenient for muhammed .