Why I left Islâm

[YmirGF]

no, there is proof that Allah exists, what happened to the post i made to you? the one about global warming. have a look at it, it is one of the countless proofs that Allah exists, but if you do not wish ot accept it then not my fault. but you can't say that Allah does not exist, my poin that i made in that post totally proves his existence.

Curiously I am unaware that anyone has actually proven that god exists. You are obviously a remarkable person. Oddly though, rather than your explanation making total perfect sense, we are left to accept or deny what you are babbling about. Is that supposed to be reasonable thinking or another example of the famous Muslims sense of humor.

 

[Kodanshi]

So… global warming proves god? Did you mean that, eselam? And why do you write ‘really?’ in reference to my talking about embryology because you brought it up? Do you not even know what you write before you post it? Bizarre! In fact, let me quote it for you:

well you see, the quran isn't written from the dessert people, if so, then how would some sheppard, who spent all his time in the sun and in the dessert come to know, how a child is formed in the woumb of it's mother

How does anything in this world prove allah’s existence? I’ve yet to see sound evidence proving the existence of a supernatural deity, how can you pinpoint allah as the sole creator of all of existence? Because the Qur’ân says so? Why not Wotan or Ardena or Artemis or Zeus or Ahura Mazda?

As for the thing about clouds… I honestly thought you wrote that as a joke. I mean, shape of clouds? Erm… anyone can see the shape of clouds by looking up at them in the sky!

 

[Seven]

no, there is proof that Allah exists, what happened to the post i made to you? the one about global warming. have a look at it, it is one of the countless proofs that Allah exists, but if you do not wish ot accept it then not my fault.

Actually nothing you wrote proves anything. I'm not sure if you understand what constitutes proof.

also if you were a muslim you would know that Allah says in many verses that true believers are those who believe in the unseen.

If you are going to believe in the unseen, why pick Allah? There are plenty of other unseen god's. How could you navigate through the religious confusion in the world unless you remained skeptical.

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

I don't think global warming proves Allah exists. Many people don't even believe in global warming. I am also curious to know what, to you, proves Allah's existence.

 

[ayani]

Kodanshi ~

it's really good to meet you. thank you for sharing your story with us, too.

may i say God bless you, and welcome.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Last year, in January of 2008 on the 1st of Muharram 1429 AH — the start of the new year according to the Islamic calendar, I announced online my apostasy from Islâm. I went onto my favourite muslim forum (mainly due to some of the posters there), Ummah.com, and announced I had turned murtad.

I simply don’t believe. Not only in Islam as a divinely–sanctioned religion, but in divinity altogether. I have read too much, seen too much the manmade origins of each religion, inconsistencies and errors in Islâm, ridiculous notions that could only come from a desert people in the 7th century and not an almighty omnipotent deity, I have felt no divine presence throughout my life, seen the way nature doesn’t need a conscious guiding hand… I have seen and felt all this too much to give any credence to commonly–held notions of Divinity and Theism.

Some of the members there expressed sadness and shock, others incandescent rage and sneering hostility — and most of the latter came when I pointed out that the founder of Islam, Muhammad, sanctioned the death of apostates from Islâm. At that point people acted as though I’d ‘done a Rushdie’ and one of the moderators closed my thread quicksmart. It interests me that the ultimate act of betrayal and evil (I had announced I do not believe in allah) met with some shocked reactions, but only when I mentioned Muhammad did the moderator close my thread. Odd, that, don’t you think?

I don’t regret leaving Islâm. It has, however, left me with some flaws and old habits, though I consciously try to change them. A chap on another forum tasked me with a list of actions I should complete in order to continue moving on in my life, eg. making a pot of chili and eating it, watching the sun rise, and suchlike. None of it far removed from the way I’ve lived my life normally — but I suppose working through the list would provide me with something specific to look forward to and even push me out of my comfort zone.

It feels a bit more like… maturity. Putting away the childish thoughts of god making everything ok and stepping up to take responsibility for my own actions. Scary, but necessary for true growth.

Thank you so much for sharing your story, Kodanshi. May you continue with such gentleness, openness and courage on your journey. :flower:

 

[Kodanshi]

Wow, I can’t say anyone’s given me a flower before for sharing my journey with them. Thank yoU!

 

[Gharib]

And furthermore, he forgot to mention the clouds.

i'll come to that thread and speak of them, ok

 

[Gharib]

Curiously I am unaware that anyone has actually proven that god exists. You are obviously a remarkable person. Oddly though, rather than your explanation making total perfect sense, we are left to accept or deny what you are babbling about. Is that supposed to be reasonable thinking or another example of the famous Muslims sense of humor.

look i did prove Allahs existence, if you do not wish to accept it then your problem, i will re-post my post again,

 

[JewishLeftist]

What a wonderful story. Society should reward the brave individuals like you who are free-thinking, embracing tolerance and openmindedness. We should condemn the people who advocate bigotry and religious zealotry.

I wish you the best in your endeavors, especially in exposing Islam for what it really is.

 

[Gharib]

response to YMG

Originally Posted by eselam http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...why-i-left-islam-post1488701.html#post1488701
ok let me ask you something; how does rain come about?
in chemistry it is said that the sun heats the oceans, water turns to vapour, which then turns to clouds and at the top of the mountain it rains.

is this what you also beleive? you must believe in this because acording to you Allah (swt) does not make vegetation come to life from rain, and that rain just comes down by it's own will. i wonder how rain knows it is time to rain?

Originally posted by Koanshi
Something like your first paragraph. However, though I studied Geography at A–Level I did it because I could not settle on a choice of which final subject to pick. I don’t know the intricately detailed ins and outs of our planet’s weather system, but I know enough to say that some mysterious supernatural entity doesn’t cause it.

Originally Posted by eselam http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...why-i-left-islam-post1488701.html#post1488701
so if rain comes down in that way, where is it then? look at what global warming is doing, heating up the earth, shoulden't we be flooded by rain by now? the seas are becoming warmer, meaning they water can evaporise more quicker, which will turn into clouds more often, which means there would be more rain more often. but i haven's seen any, have you? and not in just some parts or countries but in all of the ones who touch the see or have lakes inland.

 

[eugenius]

Good for you! What an arcane belief system, I wish more people could look inward for salvation instead relying on imagination.

 

[Kodanshi]

What a wonderful story. Society should reward the brave individuals like you who are free-thinking, embracing tolerance and openmindedness. We should condemn the people who advocate bigotry and religious zealotry.

I wish you the best in your endeavors, especially in exposing Islam for what it really is.

Thank you. As for your name, it made me think of what some Jewish people I know have told me. I have Jewish friends, but all secular. I’ve spoken to a couple of religious Jews in real life, and plenty more online, and they’ve told me that if you want to convert to Judaism you need to study it indepth for a specific period of time before you convert. This sounds like such a sensible course of action to me, whereas Islâm has an extremely quick entry point, but an extremely burdensome exit point.

Originally Posted by eselam
so if rain comes down in that way, where is it then? look at what global warming is doing, heating up the earth, shoulden't we be flooded by rain by now? the seas are becoming warmer, meaning they water can evaporise more quicker, which will turn into clouds more often, which means there would be more rain more often. but i haven's seen any, have you? and not in just some parts or countries but in all of the ones who touch the see or have lakes inland.

And just how does this logically fallacious appeal to ignorance prove the existence of god? Moreover, how does it prove the existence of allah above all other deities?

Let me restate your theory by taking it to its logical conclusion. In essence you have claimed:

“I do not understand how the world hasn’t flooded from global warming, therefore Muhammad is the messenger of allah!”

 

[Kilgore Trout]

It feels a bit more like… maturity. Putting away the childish thoughts of god making everything ok and stepping up to take responsibility for my own actions. Scary, but necessary for true growth.

Well said, and congrats to you on being able to extract yourself from such a self-limiting philosophy. Here's to a better and brighter future for you!

 

[eugenius]

response to YMG

Are you saying that because you don't believe in Global Warming even though it's easy to tell you have barely scratched the surface on your research, that this proves beyond a doubt that Allah exists? Can you please explain this logic so I can understand it better?

 

[Kodanshi]

Me too because it makes no sense to me whatsoever!

 

[.lava]

I commend you and know that this decision took some courage.

it takes courage to be a Muslim too. you know, there are weirdos who believe all Muslims are terrorists, there are people who say Islam is evil, it is ideas of a mad man who lived in 7th century, some believe we Muslims want to kill all non-Muslims etc etc etc then you come up and say 'i convert to Islam i am a Muslim'. oh la la can you imagine how it feels like to be a Muslim around people who's expecting you to kill them or harm them? oh yea...courage, tell me about it.


peace

 

[Sahar]

it takes courage to be a Muslim too. you know, there are weirdos who believe all Muslims are terrorists, there are people who say Islam is evil, it is ideas of a mad man who lived in 7th century, some believe we Muslims want to kill all non-Muslims etc etc etc then you come up and say 'i convert to Islam i am a Muslim'. oh la la can you imagine how it feels like to be a Muslim around people who's expecting you to kill them or harm them? oh yea...courage, tell me about it.


peace

Well said brother...

 

[challupa]

it takes courage to be a Muslim too. you know, there are weirdos who believe all Muslims are terrorists, there are people who say Islam is evil, it is ideas of a mad man who lived in 7th century, some believe we Muslims want to kill all non-Muslims etc etc etc then you come up and say 'i convert to Islam i am a Muslim'. oh la la can you imagine how it feels like to be a Muslim around people who's expecting you to kill them or harm them? oh yea...courage, tell me about it.

peace

That can't be very comfortable either. Hi Lava good to see you here.

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

look i did prove Allahs existence, if you do not wish to accept it then your problem, i will re-post my post again,

Proof usually is accepted without debate. Some things may be considered evidence that God/Allah exists, but not necessarily prove that he exists.