Why I Love Organised Religion

[MyM]

I was properly born differently. And I don't hate religion. I just don't accept certain claims to authority and that has nothing to do with religion, as certain non-religious belief systems also make claims to authority, which I don't accept.

"properly born different" ? Everyone is born different. It is the way you are taught, raised, and worldly raised that make you. To me, everyone is born to believe in their Creator It's just how you were raised determines an outcome. But that is my belief and no one is under any obligation to believe it.
But in saying that, I would rather feel more comfortable in a religion that guides rather than one that doesn't. No religion is just askin for trouble down the road.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

"properly born different" ? Everyone is born different. It is the way you are taught, raised, and worldly raised that make you. To me, everyone is born to believe in their Creator It's just how you were raised determines an outcome. But that is my belief and no one is under any obligation to believe it.
But in saying that, I would rather feel more comfortable in a religion that guides rather than one that doesn't. No religion is just askin for trouble down the road.

And to me, we are not born that way, We are raised that way in some cultures and not other ones.
The rest of your post is a result of your nature and nurture, for which mine is some cases different.

 

[MyM]

And to me, we are not born that way, We are raised that way in some cultures and not other ones.
The rest of your post is a result of your nature and nurture, for which mine is some cases different.

you claim "properly born" what is that...you sayin that everyone else that don't believe like you are born wrongly?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

you claim "properly born" what is that...you sayin that everyone else that don't believe like you are born wrongly?

No, I don't believe in right and wrong. Or any other versions that amount to in effect it being objective. I am a limited cognitive, moral, cultural and subjective relativist. So in practice you are not right and I am not wrong or so in reverse.

 

[MyM]

No, I don't believe in right and wrong. Or any other versions that amount to in effect it being objective. I am a limited cognitive, moral, cultural and subjective relativist. So in practice you are not right and I am not wrong or so in reverse.

ahhh you take the easy way out so you are thinking you can't be blamed for anything

is ok but in Islam, am just here to tell ya, that you have been told about Islam so there is no way out of the warning Allah has given. It's on you now

to each his own and you are entitled to believe what you believe.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

ahhh you take the easy way out so you are thinking you can't be blamed for anything

is ok but in Islam, am just here to tell ya, that you have been told about Islam so there is no way out of the warning Allah has given. It's on you now

to each his own and you are entitled to believe what you believe.

Yeah and objective authoritative we go. So I will meet you in Hell. LOL

 

[MyM]

Yeah and objective authoritative we go. So I will meet you in Hell. LOL

lol you changing your stance now? lol or are you doubtful lol

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

lol you changing your stance now? lol or are you doubtful lol

Yeah, I get how you do it. And because your way of doing it handles differences different than mine, we get different results. But for certainty which is first person psychology, we are both certain for the concept of certain. We just individually do it differently with some variation.

 

[MyM]

Yeah, I get how you do it. And because your way of doing it handles differences different than mine, we get different results. But for certainty which is first person psychology, we are both certain for the concept of certain. We just individually do it differently with some variation.

in other words, you are only certain when YOU want to be. lol

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

in other words, you are only certain when YOU want to be. lol

Just like you. I just do it differently than you in some cases.

 

[MyM]

Just like you. I just do it differently than you in some cases.

not really like me, I am certain in the main guidance from God. I don't hide it, I don't deny it. You have your doubted uncertainty that makes you in a situation of not being able to prove much about God since you deny it and don't really understand it.
However, if I do not know something I will come out and say it. I don't beat around the bush and put people in psychological turmoil for little tidbits that many people do on this forum lol

Have something to say, why go in so much depth to explain when God is so eloquent is what I don't understand (talkin in general here-not pinpointing)

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

not really like me, I am certain in the main guidance from God. I don't hide it, I don't deny it. You have your doubted uncertainty that makes you in a situation of not being able to prove much about God since you deny it and don't really understand it.
However, if I do not know something I will come out and say it. I don't beat around the bush and put people in psychological turmoil for little tidbits that many people do on this forum lol

Have something to say, why go in so much depth to explain when God is so eloquent is what I don't understand (talkin in general here-not pinpointing)

Yeah, you are so certain of your own subjectivity that you judge me based on that. I do understand that you are subjective and that you subjectively are certain that it is objective. I get that. You are not that special and neither am I. We just do it differently in regards to how we individually handle subjectivity in some cases.
But you opened then game, because no matter how passive and nice you are, you claim that I will go to Hell. So I just play with you in return. That is my passive aggressive style. That is Immanuel Kant in part.

 

[MyM]

Yeah, you are so certain of your own subjectivity that you judge me based on that. I do understand that you are subjective and that you subjectively are certain that it is objective. I get that. You are not that special and neither am I. We just do it differently in regards to how we individually handle subjectivity in some cases.
But you opened then game, because no matter how passive and nice you are, you claim that I will go to Hell. So I just play with you in return. That is my passive aggressive style. That is Immanuel Kant in part.

Na, you claimed you will be in hell lol

It isn't on me to decide where you go that is for the Creator only.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Na, you claimed you will be in hell lol

It isn't on me to decide where you go that is for the Creator only.

No, you decide, because you know. You are certain that you know. Live up to that you judge other humans, because you know who the Creator is and how we go to Hell. Just be honest and stop hiding behind making LOL of it all.

 

[MyM]

No, you decide, because you know. You are certain that you know. Live up to that you judge other humans, because you know who the Creator is and how we go to Hell. Just be honest and stop hiding behind making LOL of it all.

I am not hiding lol
I am certain of what Allah wrote in the Quran. What more certainty do you want? It is not proper for any man to pronounce any man that he is going to heaven or hell. In Islam, a person could be a muslim all his life, do good and then just before dying could do somethin unforgivable and Allah will put him in Hellfire. A man could be doing bad all his life and just before he dies, does something great in the way of Allah and good and it takes him to heaven. So no one is allowed to pronounce for certainty unless it is proven.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I am not hiding lol
I am certain of what Allah wrote in the Quran. What more certainty do you want? It is not proper for any man to pronounce any man that he is going to heaven or hell. In Islam, a person could be a muslim all his life, do good and then just before dying could do somethin unforgivable and Allah will put him in Hellfire. A man could be doing bad all his life and just before he dies, does something great in the way of Allah and good and it takes him to heaven. So no one is allowed to pronounce for certainty unless it is proven.

So Hell is meaningless in practice. Okay!

 

[MyM]

So Hell is meaningless in practice. Okay!

What do you mean in practice?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What do you mean in practice?

Well, the Creator is in practice open as you are not the only one certain of who that is. As such I can just pick one if I needed to a religion, that allows me to go to Heaven and not Hell, even as an atheist. Now I don't need such a faith, but they are around as your faith is not the only version of religion even for the Creator.

And the certainty and lack of doubt in those religions, is the same for those believers as yours. So for all your certainty, you are in the end only certain as something you are as you.

 

[Rival]

Thats how the Muslims felt as they chopped off the heads of the unbelievers/kuffars and heretics. That is how the Catholics thought as they burned the heretics such as Joan of Arc. I don't know, I think herd think is the wide path to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13). Life is for the "few", not the "many" (Matthew 7:14).

I shouldn't really respond to such nonsense but how about good things organised religion is responsible for? Let's go,

Hospitals.
Large amounts of charity via monasteries and almshouses etc.
Universities.
The modern sciences.
Theology.
Bringing the common folks together under one banner.
Human rights.
Human freedoms.
Mass literacy.

It goes on.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I shouldn't really respond to such nonsense but how about good things organised religion is responsible for? Let's go,

Hospitals.
Large amounts of charity via monasteries and almshouses etc.
Universities.
The modern sciences.
Theology.
Bringing the common folks together under one banner.
Human rights.
Human freedoms.
Mass literacy.

It goes on.

Yeah, you just forgot that can be done without the belief in standard religion. I mean the original Western university was religious as such. That was a Greek philosophical idea.