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Why Is High Intelligence So Rare?

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
not so... birds make tools with thier feet and beaks, elephants have a highly dexterous trunk. Even dolphins make tools without the benifit of hands.
There was even a bipedal ape that isn't related to human evolution: Oreopithecus bambolii

I think a definition of 'inteligent' is needed. Is tool use inteligent? Language? Culture?

as for nerds, I'm a female and I'm "turned on" by nerds. :cool:

wa:do
 

JerryL

Well-Known Member
I see three basic problems with your query.

1a) It takes several steps to go from "nothing" to "a lot"
1b) There's no guarentee that the step will occur in mutation
2a) It's not clear that inteligence is always useful.
2b) It's even less clear that steps are always useful
3) The critter at the arguable top of the heap is asking "why isn't someone else smarter". It seems self-fulfilling.
 
Sunstone said:
Why do so few species have high intelligence? If high intelligence is a successful survival strategy, why hasn't it evolved more often?

Simple. High intelligence isn't actually a successful survival strategy. The brain is a very energy-intensive organ, and until you reach a critival level of intelligence, spending extra energy on it is a waste of resources. Think of a small brain as a Corolla, and a large brain as your F1 racing car. Sure the F1 racing car goes faster, but it also uses a lot more fuel. Evolution doesn't actually favour high intelligence: it favours survival, and you actually need pretty special circumstances for high intelligence to become boon. Otherwise you're just bleeding fuel when you could be using less than 10 litres per 100km. Homo Sapiens is successful at the moment, but we haven't always been. At one point, our numbers dropped below 2000, and

You'll find that most of the more intelligent animals are meat-eaters, and there are two main reasons for this: firstly, meat is a more efficient energy source than plants, so meat eaters can spend less energy searching for food, which means they have more energy to spare for their brains; secondly, many meat-eaters are pack hunters, which requires a degree of cooperation that necessitates a higher intelligent. Herds of herbivores, while they may be social, do not require much in the way of cooperation. The benefits that they derive from being together are related more to making the individual herbivore a harder target than they would be if they were alone, and the strategies which they use (mainly stampeding and cooperating to drive off their foes) require far less coordination than the tactics used by carnivores. I know there are exceptions (such as elephants), but they are in the minority.

Also, if you look at the native animals of Australia (which has a very harsh climate), you'll actually notice that marsupials tend to be the dunces of the animal kingdom. If you live on a contintent where food is scarce, then you're unlikely to survive if you waste your energy on being smart. Koalas even have brains that are too small for their heads, and have the ability to nearly turn their brain off, save for basic functions, because they have become so energy-efficient.

There's also the fact that the advent of sapient life (ie. humans) also has a tendency to preclude other forms of sapient life. Of all the species of the genus homo, only homo sapiens is still around today. Now, I know that there are various other reasons for the decline of the other species of human, such as the ice age and the neanderthals overspecialisation, however our ancestors intelligence gave them an edge when competing with the other species of homo. Now, I know that I've just been saying that intelligence isn't actually a good survival trait, however once you reach a certain critical level of intelligence, it actually becomes useful. Especially if you have opposable thumbs with which to make tools. Without opposable thumbs, human-like intelligence is a bit useless, really. Can you imagine a pair of sabre-toothed tigers with human-like intellgence? I can think the conversation would go something like this:

Yugi: "So, what are you doing today, Kaiba?"
Kaiba: "Oh, nothing much, Kaiba. I had this fantastic idea, though, because I'm a child genius, and I would be a billionaire, but I still haven't figured out a way to pick up my wallet without biting holes in it."
Yugi: "Yeah, what's your idea?"
Kaiba: "Well, rather than leaping on things, which takes heaps of effort, we could get some pointy sticks and throw them at our prey. That way we'll use less effort, and won't have to worry about being injured as much as usual! I'm a freaking genius!"
Yugi: "That's really super special awesome, Kaiba! How do you propose we throw these pointed sticks without hands?"
Kaiba: "..."

Anyway, I digress. Amongst many animals, humans are actually detrimental to the species chances to become more intelligent. Sheep and cattle, for example, are bred for docility, amongst other things, which generally means to an extent we've been selectively breeding them to be docile. Some animals, such as dogs, we've probably been breeding to become more intelligent, so as to increase their usefulness to us, but at the moment, there's a limit on how intelligent we'd want them to be. Of course, there are other animals which are much closer to attaining human-like intelligence, such as the great apes and dolphins, however humanity's success has been rapidly destroying their habitats, thus limiting their chances to attain sapience. High intellince really seems to be an all or nothing proposition: either you die out, because you're devoting too much energy to your brain, or you become immensely successful due to your large brain allowing you to come up with things like agriculture, iron smelting and antibiotics.

... I hope that answers your question in some ways, because if it doesn't, then it's a bit of a waste of bandwith, really.
 

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
My name is Wanda said:
Simple. High intelligence isn't actually a successful survival strategy. The brain is a very energy-intensive organ, and until you reach a critival level of intelligence, spending extra energy on it is a waste of resources.

Interesting, but unlike Australian marsupials, we function in a world where access to resources for me and my offspring is a function of my ability to manipulate social reality for my own benefit. Intelligence is a highly prized evolutionary strategy in those circumstances.

"High" intelligence is a relative term. In general humans as a whole are being selected based on their willingness to participate in a social reality. That social reality requires some people to be able to form and adapt it, but not too many or it falls apart. Thus, part of the social reality strategy that is the human evolutionary path is toward every increasing complexity of that reality and a new form of intelligence is born - the specialist. Like the dictator who has different parts of his secret bunker built by different contractors who aren't familiar with the other parts, this exansive social reality achieves a similar result by isolating different visions of the reality, none of which, inidividually, is able to take in its expanse.

So humans are evolved for sophisticated thinking, but social reality (our adaptive mechanism) keeps us isolated enough that we'll partipate in that reality by instilling a system of disparate "worldviews", and essentially hiding from each of us that everyone else is experiencing the same thing.

And with that, I just made new sense of something else Orwell wrote that I'd been fumbling with. So despite my last post in my 1984 series, there's now another one on its way.:)
 
doppelgänger said:
Interesting, but unlike Australian marsupials, we function in a world where access to resources for me and my offspring is a function of my ability to manipulate social reality for my own benefit. Intelligence is a highly prized evolutionary strategy in those circumstances.

That might be the case for humans (although I would argue that factors other than intelligence are far more important than intelligence when talking of success in human society - namely money-savvy and charisma), however it's not the case amongst other animals, excepting possibly the great apes, who actually have the ability to make use of their intelligence, due to having opposable thumbs. What use would a deer have with being able to navigate bureaucratic doublespeak? None, unless the deer was already living in a society that required it. You can't compare successful breeding strategies between humans and other animals because we live in a world that's completely divorced from the world that other animals live in. Even the social structures of the simplest human tribes are an order of magnitude more complex than those you'd find amongst any other species.

Evolutionarily speaking, high intelligence is unlikely to evolve, except in very limited circumstances, because for most animals the energy spent on a larger brain would be better spent increasing fat deposits to survive the next food shortage.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Sunstone said:
Why do so few species have high intelligence? If high intelligence is a successful survival strategy, why hasn't it evolved more often?
I suspect that it needs to be coupled with structural abilities, like opposable thumbs, and very good eye-body coordination. The real key to "high intelligence" is imagination. But that imagination needs to be exercised to be developed. A great example is in the use of tools. How does a dolphin exercise imagination? He can pick up a tool and hold it, but he can't alter it according to how he imagines it would better suit his needs. I think that for imagination to really develop into "higher intelligence" and abstract thought, the body it inhabits needs to be very dexterous, so that it can alter the world around it according to an imagined criteria.
 

mr.guy

crapsack
"Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much... the wheel, New York, wars, and so on, whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely the dolphins believed themselves to be more intelligent than man for precisely the same reasons."

-Douglas Adams.
 

logician

Well-Known Member
Since we have not yet found evidence yet of "high intelligence" elsewhere in the galaxy or universe, we can assume at least that intelligent beings, if they have evolved, haven't done the following.

1. Made themselves easily known by setting up a far-reaching mode of communication.

2. Populated the galaxy to insure their own survival.

We can probably say on that basis that high intelligence is either incredibly rare, or if it is not, it is ultimately detrimental to the species that develops it.
 

lunamoth

Will to love
Sunstone said:
Why do so few species have high intelligence? If high intelligence is a successful survival strategy, why hasn't it evolved more often?
Maybe because the world can only support one species as intelligent as humans. As soon as a species ever approached our level of intelligence we'd have to kill them to keep our niche.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
perhaps we should define intelligent.
we are not the only tool users
we are not the only language users (though ours seems to be the most extencive thus far)
we are not the only highly social species
we are not the only species that cares for its sick, old, and post reproductive individuals.

Just because we havent yet found easily identified intelligence doesn't mean its not out there. We aren't that smart, we could likely be looking in the wrong places.
what would signals from intelligent species look like? How would we know?

there are several highly questionable assumptions being made here. Most of them are rife with humanocentric bias.

wa:do
 

JerryL

Well-Known Member
We can probably say on that basis that high intelligence is either incredibly rare, or if it is not, it is ultimately detrimental to the species that develops it.
Or that intelligences do not perform these tasks. We have not. We imagine we will, but we don't actually know.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
Sunstone said:
Why do so few species have high intelligence? If high intelligence is a successful survival strategy, why hasn't it evolved more often?

High intelligence is *one* successful survival strategy.

If the the other successful strategies, like being the fastest, strongest, most elusive, better camoflage, etc. don't work, then maybe intelligence is warranted.

If these more mundane (and frankly faster and easier to develop) strageties work -- why bother with intelligence?
 

logician

Well-Known Member
painted wolf said:
what would signals from intelligent species look like?
wa:do

Most any kind of signal that was different that the "background" signals coming from space would work, some repeating pattern, etc., the real problem is to focus an intense signal that would radiate in all directions.
 
You also have to consider that space is big, so if there is other intelligent life, and it has developed radio signals, then those signals may simply have not reached us yet. At the moment, when we've only recently managed to be able to detect super-planets many times the size of Jupiter outside of our own system, the only real hope of finding other life is if it sends out some kind of radio signal.

Note that even if there is intelligent life, there is no guarantee that they will have developed radio communication. The development or radio required a fair few other innovations first, as well as a society which could provide enough leisure for people to be able to invent radios. We developed agriculture 6,000 odd years ago, and we're now in our first period of truly rapid scientific progress. My view has always been that this was made possible because of the agrarian revolution, which had the effect it did on food production (and hence the the amount of free time we had) because three things occured at the same time: 1) the world's temperature increased by a couple of degrees, allowing greater crop yields; 2) the potato was imported to Europe from the New World, which allowed farmers to change from a 3-field crop rotaional cycle to a 4-field cycle; and 3) the horse-drawn plough was invented, meaning farmers could plough more efficiently because horses were more willing to pull than oxen, and they could farm more of their field, because horses have a smaller turning circle than oxen. If an alien intelligent race was unable, due to various conditions (say they lacked an equivalent to the horse or potato), then they would lack this advantage, which would slow their development considerably.

Hell, if there is intelligent life out there, but they happen to not be able to eat some equivalent to grains, then there's a chance that they would never have developed agriculture in the first place. There's a reason that the Australian aborigines never developed agriculture: Australia had nothing they could farm effectively. It's no coincidence that western civilisation began in the middle east, which was home to more than half of the animals and grains that we farm.
 

XAAX

Active Member
Sunstone said:
Why do so few species have high intelligence? If high intelligence is a successful survival strategy, why hasn't it evolved more often?

I think we have played a part in that..lol.. We are trying to get the whales before they get any smarter. I believe that the fact that we are the only creature on earth to reach the level intelligence that we bass everything by is merely chance. Well, let me re-define that. When I say chance I don’t mean the random occurrence of events, but instead the unknown order for why something is. There is nothing random in the universe, only ignorance to the pattern. If humans wiped ourselves out, which may very well happen, without destroying the world for other forms of life. In the future there it stands to reason that there will be another creature or creatures that develop intelligence that could easily surpass our own. : hamster :

The argument could be debated that we are not the first higher level intelligent being on our planet. With the age of our planet being 3.5 billion years old, civilizations could have existed and either been wiped out or self-destructed, and we would find nothing of them today. I mean really, if our civilization wiped itself out , in a couple of billion years from now what do you think they would find of human beings. The oldest known fossils are around 220 million years old. That’s nothing compared to 3.5 billion. I doubt anything we have created would last a fraction of that time.
 

logician

Well-Known Member
PREACH THE NETT said:
. The oldest known fossils are around 220 million years old. That’s nothing compared to 3.5 billion.

This is blantantly untrue, there are known fossils up to a billion years old.
 

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
Sunstone said:
Why do so few species have high intelligence? If high intelligence is a successful survival strategy, why hasn't it evolved more often?
Aren't we the ones deciding what "high intelligence" is? And isn't it a funny coincidence that we just happen to decide that it corresponds with the traits that we're good at?

Rats can efficiently run a 8-arm radial maze for food based on spatial memory that is far superior to ours. That is a maze in which there is a center spoke and eight seemingly equal passages to go down and food at the end of only one of them. The goal is to keep exploring arms until you find the food but to only explore each arm once (since running down the same arm that has no food would be inefficient). If I were put in a suitably sized maze, I would start with one arm and then each time go to the next one to left while counting up. That's how I would "remember" where I'd been and where I have yet to explore. Rats can go from one arm to another without using a systematic strategy and they don't make mistakes. They can even be interrupted in the middle of their exploration - taken out of the maze for long periods of time and put back in - and still remember which arms they had yet to explore. It is NOT based on superior sense of smell (that was controlled for); it's based on their superior ability to note spatial cues in the room and remember where they've been in relation to them.

Man... I haven't thought about this in years and I'm still in awe thinking about it now.
 
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