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Why is homosexuality wrong?

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
The queer is still alive. I wanted to kill him. But I know what is the right thing to do. And that is what I did. That is what I do. And I am not going to say that homosexuality is okay, because that is a lie. It is not okay.
I am not here to bring peace and love to the world. I am here to judge the world. So that is what I do.

Judge and you will be judged.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
How does victimising a minority group achieve that? How does bigotry help?
I do not believe I have said anything that is bigoted. I believe I have spoken truth. Homosexuality is a dirty disgusting debauchery. And if that makes me a bigot, then I'm happy to be a bigot.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
Well, Jesus did say to let the one without sin cast the first stone, that you can't remove a splinter from your brother's eye when you have a moat in yours, and to judge not.
Then I advise removing the moats from your eyes so you can judge others without fear of making that mistake.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
That is what he said, right? He said remove the mote from your own eye so you can see clearly to remove the splinter from your brothers eye.
 

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
It's not how many people have a problem with it, it's the fact anyone has a problem with it. That's just strange.
Well, perhaps you can answer this question. How many people do you believe hope that their children turn out to be gay?
 

Kent856

Member
Almost everyone lives within a community, which, if nothing else, establishes rules and behaviors designed to maintain the stability of that community

I thought someone might bring this up but i wasn't sure. Your point is also correct but in no way invalidates my original point... The laws and rules of any particular time simply rely on which human(s) have the most power available to them. It is this way on a large scale and a small personal scale. If 80% of people think homosexuality is acceptable then what can the other 20% do about it? Nothing, the scale is not tipped in their favor. Not because homosexuality is right/wrong... Those concepts don't exist. It's simply because the majority has power.

So that's my meaning when I explain a view without godly influence :)
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
So you're saying that if someone doesn't believe that God gave 'the law' (as you define it), there is no/little point in having a discussion/debate with them (because you believe it will quickly descend into strife)?
Not necessarily if they do not believe -but if they are not really interested in applying the law -and it often does descend into strife.
If someone asks about the law -and they have no interest in applying the law -it is usually because they think someone else is trying to apply the law to them or for them.
That is not my place.
You do not answer to me -and you likely would not want me to attempt to tell you how to live your life.
If one is interested in applying the law, they could or would know their personal situation the best -how it could be applied and how it cannot be applied -especially concerning such a varied, complicated and personal subject.
The law is the law. It is of God and not up for debate -only consideration of appropriate application.
If you do not believe that to be the case, then there is little chance that further discussion would do anyone any good.
That which is not of faith is sin -so I could only advise you to make your own choices -based on your own situation -becoming as knowledgeable about it as possible -innocently and in good conscience.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't understand the relation.

I don't think I can compare cooking as unnatural or not unless there is criteria to which I can judge that by?

Rape is unnatural given what the rapist forcefully does to his or her victim's body. It's an unhealthy form of physical sexual contact. Motives have nothing to do with it.

Natural animistic behavior? Natural just means, for example:

Food nurishes the body. Toxic chemicals does not. Food is natural. Chemicals or not. (Organic)

If I'm trying to kill myself, that's unnatural. Our bodies are made to be born, life, age, and pass on. To cut off that process of life is unnatural. (For lack of a better term).

In my view, male/male intercourse is unnatural. Like the rapist, it doesn't have to do with the motives involved-love or lust. Has nothing to do with the ethics-commitment or abuse. It's just action itself. Nothing to do with the people involved.

I think ya making it personal.

I'll flip this around. I believe it is unnatural for me to be intimate with my wife by taking a role as a guy or she as a guy in the intimacy. Paint a picture, though. I'd rather not explain it. I rather buy kid toys at Toys R Us not the market down the street.

Has nothing to do with the people. I'm just ol' fashion in that respect (my side). As for male/male, we do things that our bodies are not shaped for in many ways. Watch the Olympics or Gynast stretch their legs over their heads. Some call that natural others say it's not.

It's an opinion. Nothing special.
Natural is usually defined as that which occurs in nature. It has nothing whatsoever to do with beneficial acts, detrimental ones or anything of the sort. The conflation of natural with beneficial and unnatural with detrimental does not line up very well and is usually considered an ill informed judgement.
Cancer is completely natural as is asbestos.
Unnatural is often defined as something man made. So planes, cooking, technology etc. But even those don't technically conflict with the law of nature, because nothing that exists can really conflict with it. It exists after all.

So if you're going to define something as unnatural you're going to have to give the specific definition of unnatural you're using. Otherwise others will call you out for what they see as an incorrect usage.

Oh and as for Bonobos they are completely bisexual and use sex to sort out conflicts. So they are literal nature engaging in male/male intercourse on the daily.
 

Nyingjé Tso

Dharma not drama
Vanakkam

The amount of hate, hypocrisy and intolerance that is shown by some people speaks way more about their religion than any of their scripture.

Said scriptures that also seems to feed egoism and delusions of grandeur of people that would rather need a qualified psychologist instead.

I find this sad and reassuring at the dame time.

It gives me more than all the reason I will ever need to be convinced that I will never, ever study or follow your religion, nor take your so called laws with any respect or considération. You deserve none of those two. I am more than happy to see you drown in your own hate and will pray that your next life will allow you to learn tolerance and love more effectively than this one.

There is no need to accept homosexuality if you don't need or want to. Instead of preaching as if you held some kind of authority, just agree to disagree, and let everyone live peacefully their lives. No one have to, and will be convinced of something they don't want or agree with. But that doesn't give you any right to be a dick to someone else. Let it go, let it be.

And I laugh, oh how I laugh at your face, you egotistic self proclaimed judge of whatever. Get out of your warhammer fantasies and seek médical help about your trauma. Things will be settled and you will je able to move on with your life and ne at peace with yourself.

Your fantaisies of gays squirming like maggots under your feets, pleading for their lives while you punish them with your sword and you cleaning the world so you can sit and be at peace in your dream bloodbath world, must be pleasant for you. For any other normal human this would be considered as a repressed kink and a sign of very dangerous béhavior and person.

Unfortunately for you, it does not make me fear you or want to plea for my life. Come with your sword, do your little act that makes you look like a little child throwing a tantrum, it only inspires me laugh and pity toward you. You are a sad and pitiful person. I wish one day you wake up and seek the help you need.

You can try to clean me for all I care, be warned that I do not fear you the slighest and will stay string, standing, laughting at your face.
You do not deserve any kind of satisfaction for your pitiful thinking.

The only thing that prevents you to live at peace with yourself is your own hate drowning you rather than what people do in their privacy.

What a sad person you are.

Aum Namah Shivaya
 
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