Why is Islam, Christianity etc homophobic?

[Ashir]

And you were informed that that link was garbage. But fine, since you can't defend your position, I will show why those verses simply don't work. I'm only dealing with the OT here.

The first one already (Leviticus), was explained, and thus is no need to be explained again.

Nothing about homosexuality. It rests on the assumption that the sin of Sodom was homosexuality. Yet, if you read this verse, it actually says nothing about that, but that the sin was quite different. They were jerks.

To assume this has anything to do with homosexuality is more than ridiculous. First, we see these men having sex with a woman. That should be the first clue. Second, this verse has to do with rape. That is not what homosexuality is.

And those were the only verses dealing with the OT. You have one that states nothing about about homosexuality, but instead actually tells us that the story of Sodom had nothing to do with homosexuality (or at least that wasn't their sin). The other one was about rape, and about men raping a woman. Neither one deals with homosexuality.

So really, you provided no actual sources at all. Now that we have gotten that done, are you willing to accept that there is no mention of homosexuality in the OT?

Garbage to you.

Not to you.
Yes, to you. You haven't disproved the dozens of quotes those links provided.

 

[Shermana]

Again, the real question should be why are people homophobic, because it isn't just within religious circles that we see homophobic people.

Che rounded them up into camps, you'd think there'd be more questions of why Atheist Communist regimes like China don't even allow them on TV.

 

[fallingblood]

Garbage to you.

Not to you.
Yes, to you. You haven't disproved the dozens of quotes those links provided.

They didn't provide dozens of quotes. When dealing with the OT, which we were, they provided three quotes. I disproved that they had anything to do with homosexuality.

 

[Ashir]

those links provided loads of quotes....

 

[fallingblood]

those links provided loads of quotes....

Then repost the ones I missed and I will show how they also don't support your argument.

 

[Ashir]

cba if you missed them i don't see why I'm responsible for constantly giving them to you, just look at the previous pages

 

[javajo]

Not all Christians are homophobes. Like me for example.

 

[fallingblood]

cba if you missed them i don't see why I'm responsible for constantly giving them to you, just look at the previous pages

The thing though is that I didn't miss them. I looked at the link you provided. It gave a handful of quotes. Only three of them were from the OT. The rest were from the NT or the Quran. I was only dealing with the OT, so I took the three that referenced the OT.

So I didn't miss anything. I dealt with the quotes that were in reference to the OT. Now, if you think there are some I missed in your link, please point them out. If you refuse to do so, I can only assume you fully know I didn't miss anything, and simply don't have a real argument. If that is the case, I see no reason to continue any discussion with you in the future, as it would be clear that you're simply being intellectually dishonest here.

 

[sojourner]

Ashir,

Why are you insisting on being such a fundigelical here?

 

[Sleeppy]

Homophobic - Negative attitude against homosexuality?

 

[Ashir]

The thing though is that I didn't miss them. I looked at the link you provided. It gave a handful of quotes. Only three of them were from the OT. The rest were from the NT or the Quran. I was only dealing with the OT, so I took the three that referenced the OT.

So I didn't miss anything. I dealt with the quotes that were in reference to the OT. Now, if you think there are some I missed in your link, please point them out. If you refuse to do so, I can only assume you fully know I didn't miss anything, and simply don't have a real argument. If that is the case, I see no reason to continue any discussion with you in the future, as it would be clear that you're simply being intellectually dishonest here.

so if some of them were from the NT the NT is homophobic...
and I missed out your explanation.
yes, you can only assume.
how can a false assumption be clear?

 

[fallingblood]

so if some of them were from the NT the NT is homophobic...

No, it means that the person listing verses has no idea what they are reading, and is only blindly following the illogical rhetoric and excuses of those who want to justify their hatred.

and I missed out your explanation.

I don't see how that is possible, since you replied to it, but I will link to it: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3029129-post60.html

yes, you can only assume.

Is my assumption right?

how can a false assumption be clear?

Your actions on this board make things clear. When you don't read posts, or purposely avoid addressing what is discussed, that is intellectual dishonesty, and that is clear.

 

[Skwim]

Although the OP title question regarding Christianity and homophobia may be an unwarranted generalization, it does contain some truth, and that is; many Christians do feel their faith is anti-homosexual(ity), and agree with it, with quite a few people citing Biblical verse to support their belief. Right or wrong, this faith based homophobia does exist. Here's an interesting bit of information from Wikipedia.

"Historically, Christian churches have regarded homosexual sex as sinful, based on the Catholic understanding of the natural law and traditional interpretations of certain passages in the Bible. This position is today affirmed by most Christian groups, including the Catholic (1.1 billion members) and Orthodox (250 million members) Churches, part of Protestant denominations, especially among Evangelicals such as the Southern Baptist Convention (16.3 million members), the LDS Church (13 million members), and the United Methodist Church (12 million members).[31]

However, a small minority interpret biblical passages differently and argue that homosexuality can be seen as morally acceptable. This approach has been taken by a number of denominations in America, notably the United Church of Canada (2.8 million members), the United Church of Christ (1.1 million members), the Moravian Church (825,000 members), the Anglican Episcopal church, the Anglican Church of Canada (800,000 members), the Liberal Catholic Church, Friends General Conference, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada. Relatively great denominations had taken this approach in Europe like united, reformed and Lutheran churches in EKD (24.5 million members) in Germany, Church of Sweden in Sweden (6,6 million members), Church of Norway in Norway, Church of Denmark in Denmark or Protestant Church of the Netherlands in Netherlands (3,9 million members), reformed churches in SEK in Switzerland, the Methodist Church of Great Britain (330,000 members) and Church of Scotland."

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So, while not all Christians are homophobic and don't find support of homophobia in their faith or in the Bible, many Christians do. So the question I have as it relates to the Bible as a source of homophobia is, if this is not god's intention, why does this supposedly divinely inspired "word of god" lead so many astray? I know this is a bit off the track, but it does speak to the debate about properly interpreting the scriptures at issue.
And because some Christians do contend there are anti-homosexual(ity) passages, the fact remains that it can be validly concluded that the Bible does speak against homosexual(ity). Their interpretation being no less right to them than the opposite interpretation is right to those who say they are wrong.

Therefore I think it's quite proper to raise the question the OP does.

 

[crocusj]

Che rounded them up into camps, you'd think there'd be more questions of why Atheist Communist regimes like China don't even allow them on TV.

There are plenty who ask just that. However, these regimes are clearly human inspired displaying their prejudice through the power they hold. Remind you of anything?

 

[Pegg]

homosexuality doesnt produce children. pretty simple really.

 

[Pegg]

quite a few people citing Biblical verse to support their belief. Right or wrong, this faith based homophobia does exist.

where does the 'phobia' part come into it?

Its not a 'phobia' ... its a different opinion on what is right and proper. Having a different view does not mean someone has a 'phobia'

 

[Muffled]

Title

The statement is false. My question is why do so many people think so?

 

[Muffled]

No it's not. As I posted before, it addresses, at most, only male anal intercourse. That is not homosexuality nor comes close to it.

Take the sex out and all that is left is homophilia.

As far as I can tell from the Bible simply refraining from sex with women is not a sin.

 

[Ashir]

No, it means that the person listing verses has no idea what they are reading, and is only blindly following the illogical rhetoric and excuses of those who want to justify their hatred.
I don't see how that is possible, since you replied to it, but I will link to it: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3029129-post60.html
Is my assumption right?
Your actions on this board make things clear. When you don't read posts, or purposely avoid addressing what is discussed, that is intellectual dishonesty, and that is clear.

To you. In your eyes and perception. Not all others.

Or just the fact that I'm lazy? :/

homosexuality doesnt produce children. pretty simple really.

Like we need more people on this earth...... if anything we need far less.

 

[Ashir]

also @fallingblood those links provided even hundreds of verses, when you explain them all then I'll accept that the Bible does not have homophobic passages. Simultaneously the question still goes for the Muslims too.