Why is Islam so dangerous?

[ChristineM]

I take your word on what Professor Juan Cole said but what I said is that nowhere in your post you mention the source of your claim. I read the article in the link provided and there's no mention of Professor Juan Cole.
So let's see where Professor Juan Cole got those numbers?
Is he some kind of authority in the subject?
Why should we believe what he says?
When he says Christians, does he mean "Westerners" or they really checked the religion of the criminals?
Were they practicing Christians?
Were those crimes committed in the name of Christianity?


I read it already, cover to cover.
Did you and Professor Juan Cole read it?

Have mentioned the source of my claim several times. Iv you ignored is that is not my problem

If you have issues with Professor Juan Cole's claims is suggest you take it up with him.

Why would you not believe what he says? He is after all a respected american professor of modern history.

Perhaps you could apply the same criteria to muslims as you do for the requirements of christianity.

You read it, so you will know how it advocates death to non believers, theft of their land, slavery and sexual abuse of their women and children.

I do not know if the esteemed professor has read the bible, considering he was raised in a mixed catholic / protestant family i would assume he is at least familiar with it.

I have read 3 bibles cover to cover and sections of several more.

 

[Audie]

Religion of God teaches love and unity.

Religion of priests and clergy teaches war, murder, terrorism, division and prejudice.

See above, second-last paragraph, concerning those
who claim their choice to be the True one

 

[Audie]

Note that there were no acts of terrorism and only defensive warfare while Muhammad lived and the Quran was the authority.

That like everything else in those god-books is open to interpretation.

Japan saw Pearl Harbor as defensive. GWB v Iraq, same.

 

[Audie]

If you are concerned, simply read the Quran and find out if the book's statement supports violence and killing of civilians of other religions.

The bible supports it, if you so read it. Same with the koran.

 

[Audie]

Being free feels awesome so I’m glad we both feel the same.

Kind of worthless to say anything to you if thats yout
notion of a response.

"Get free" and "feel free" are not the same thing,
BTW.

 

[sooda]

How would you know what I know?
I perfectly understand what Sharia is.

Christian majority countries are mostly secular (religion and government are separate entities), therefore the laws in place are agreed by democratic means.


Who is using the straw man fallacy now?
What makes you believe I don't accept islamic scholars?
Stop assuming things no one is saying.


Wrong again. I'm putting my concerns in the right place.
The fact that most Muslims don't approve terrorism doesn't mean Islamic terrorists don't come from the same background than moderate Muslims come from and they use the same exact scriptures.
In other words, moderates and terrorists share the same background, go to the same mosques and believe in the same scriptures.
I don't blame moderates for the actions of terrorists.
I wonder why the terrorists interpret the scriptures that way.


I'm not sure what you mean but what I said is that those responsible for 9/11 were part of Al Qaeda who at the time were protected by the people in power in Afghanistan (The Taliban). Al Qaeda was the only reason for America invading Afghanistan.
Are you going to answer my questions now?

The Taliban said they would turn OBL over if the US provided proof.

America invaded Afghanistan in an effort to bail ENRON out of a disaster they created with the Dabhol power plant.

 

[sooda]

I take your word on what Professor Juan Cole said but what I said is that nowhere in your post you mention the source of your claim. I read the article in the link provided and there's no mention of Professor Juan Cole.

So let's see where Professor Juan Cole got those numbers?
Is he some kind of authority in the subject?
Why should we believe what he says?
When he says Christians, does he mean "Westerners" or they really checked the religion of the criminals?
Were they practicing Christians?
Were those crimes committed in the name of Christianity?


I read it already, cover to cover.
Did you and Professor Juan Cole read it?

The Bush family consider themselves Christians,

 

[Raymann]

Have mentioned the source of my claim several times.

I was talking about your post and link I quoted in my post.
Do you realize you didn't provide a link to the actual article?
The link you provide has nothing to do with Professor Juan Cole's "casual" estimate.
Here is the link to the post I'm talking about

In regards to the requirement for credible statistics:

Perhaps you could apply the same criteria to muslims as you do for the requirements of christianity.

I do, most terrorists have no problem in claiming that their actions are done in the name of Allah.
They proudly and loudly scream "Allahu akbar" after committing their atrocities.

 

[sooda]

I was talking about your post and link I quoted in my post.
Do you realize you didn't provide a link to the actual article?
The link you provide has nothing to do with Professor Juan Cole's "casual" estimate.
Here is the link to the post I'm talking about

In regards to the requirement for credible statistics:

I do, most terrorists have no problem in claiming that their actions are done in the name of Allah.
They proudly and loudly scream "Allahu akbar" after committing their atrocities.

They shout Allah akbar if a tire blows or if a friend shows up that they haven't seen in a while.

You don't know anything about Islam and Muslims from reading internet hate sites.

 

[Raymann]

The Taliban said they would turn OBL over if the US provided proof.

America invaded Afghanistan in an effort to bail ENRON out of a disaster they created with the Dabhol power plant.

Is that your favorite conspiracy theory on that subject?
Does that make more sense than going after the master mind of 9/11 (Bin Laden) who at the moment was in Afghanistan?
The 19 terrorists had known links with Al Qaeda.
What kind of proof The Taliban wanted?
A letter of admission?

The Bush family consider themselves Christians,

Here you're lost again.
I was asking the credentials Professor Juan Cole has to claim that Christians commit 50 time more terrorist crimes than Muslims?
And you jump in the middle saying Bush family considers themselves Christians?
What that has to do with anything?

 

[sooda]

Is that your favorite conspiracy theory on that subject?

Does that make more sense than going after the master mind of 9/11 (Bin Laden) who at the moment was in Afghanistan?

The 19 terrorists had known links with Al Qaeda.
What kind of proof The Taliban wanted?
A letter of admission?


Here you're lost again.
I was asking the credentials Professor Juan Cole has to claim that Christians commit 50 time more terrorist crimes than Muslims?
And you jump in the middle saying Bush family considers themselves Christians?
What that has to do with anything?

Clinton Spurned Bin Laden Offer Because He Didn't Want to ...
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/clinton-spurned-bin-laden...
Nairobi, Kenya (CNSNews.com) - Former President Bill Clinton turned down an offer from the Sudanese government to arrest and hand over Osama bin Laden because his administration did not accept that a Clinton Spurned Bin Laden Offer Because He Didn't Want to Work With Sudan, Analyst Says

 

[ChristineM]

I was talking about your post and link I quoted in my post.
Do you realize you didn't provide a link to the actual article?
The link you provide has nothing to do with Professor Juan Cole's "casual" estimate.
Here is the link to the post I'm talking about

In regards to the requirement for credible statistics:

I do, most terrorists have no problem in claiming that their actions are done in the name of Allah.
They proudly and loudly scream "Allahu akbar" after committing their atrocities.

Again, from my link
Professor Juan Cole casually estimates that Christians chalked up roughly 50 times more violent deaths than Muslims across the past century.
I do hope you bother reading it this time because i am getting fed up of repeating it for you.

Yes, most terrorists are only to happy to claim religion as their motivation.

 

[shunyadragon]

Christine, are you lying again or just misrepresenting the truth?

The article that you cited doesn't say the crimes were committed by CHRISTIANS, it says they were committed by americans (mostly right wingers).
Right wingers are not necessarily Christians, you know?

Right wingers are by far majority Christian.

So the crimes you attribute to Christians is false again and the statistic you cited is wrong or you just manipulated the information to serve your deceiving tactics.
You've been caught misrepresenting the truth multiple times now. Please be a responsible adult and face the facts as they are.

The statistics are very legitimate.

 

[ChristineM]

Is that your favorite conspiracy theory on that subject?
Does that make more sense than going after the master mind of 9/11 (Bin Laden) who at the moment was in Afghanistan?
The 19 terrorists had known links with Al Qaeda.
What kind of proof The Taliban wanted?
A letter of admission?


Here you're lost again.
I was asking the credentials Professor Juan Cole has to claim that Christians commit 50 time more terrorist crimes than Muslims?
And you jump in the middle saying Bush family considers themselves Christians?
What that has to do with anything?

i am not interested in your straw men so first paragraph ignored

And it is you want credentials,do not expect me to do your research for you.
Who mentioned bush? Oh you just did. But i would very much appreciate you showing me where mentioned bush any time in the last few months.

 

[Audie]

Again, from my link
Professor Juan Cole casually estimates that Christians chalked up roughly 50 times more violent deaths than Muslims across the past century.
I do hope you bother reading it this time because i am getting fed up of repeating it for you.

Yes, most terrorists are only to happy to claim religion as their motivation.

The most True and pure form of it! And who would die for a lie?

 

[Audie]

Even the title of this thread is asinine.

What if the title was , "Why is Charlie sc so dangerous?"

Stop and think...

I think Catholic bombs are not going off all
around the word. I think there is no "IC". I think I
read Bin Ladens letter to America.
I think there are no Catholic talibans. I think islamic
apologists and excuse makers have their own agenda
however the may try to conceal it.

But, good to see you say "asinine",
for lo, the gloves come when the gloves
come off, we see the razor blades.

 

[sooda]

I think Catholic bombs are not going off all
around the word. I think there is no "IC". I think I
read Bin Ladens letter to America.
I think there are no Catholic talibans. I think islamic
apologists and excuse makers have their own agenda
however the may try to conceal it.

But, good to see you say "asinine",
for lo, the gloves come when the gloves
come off, we see the razor blades.

You completely missed the point. The title question is based on an assumption that "Islam is dangerous".

 

[Stevicus]

That's why we're having this discussion.
Is it the scriptures? Is it Muslims? Is it the radicals? Is it a mix? Is it the Christians? Is it the west fault?

I also mentioned that it appeared to be a variation of malignant nationalism.

You said "leave those countries alone (Muslim countries)." Sometimes is not in our interest to leave those countries alone. We cannot afford to let Al Qaeda or ISIS to roam freely around the world committing atrocities.

Would they have been just as dangerous if we left them alone to begin with? What if we didn't give them any weapons in the first place? How did they manage to get weapons and access to technologies which allow them to "roam freely around the world"? Think about it.

 

[sooda]

Is that your favorite conspiracy theory on that subject?
Does that make more sense than going after the master mind of 9/11 (Bin Laden) who at the moment was in Afghanistan?
The 19 terrorists had known links with Al Qaeda.
What kind of proof The Taliban wanted?
A letter of admission?


Here you're lost again.
I was asking the credentials Professor Juan Cole has to claim that Christians commit 50 time more terrorist crimes than Muslims?
And you jump in the middle saying Bush family considers themselves Christians?
What that has to do with anything?

Egyptian Islamic Jihad joined with OBL and Al Qaeda.

1. Discover the Networks | Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ)
   https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/.../egyptian-islamic-jihad-eij
   By the end of 2001, close to 200 of Osama bin Laden’s top operatives were members of Egyptian Islamic Jihad. EIJ is today considered a regional adjunct of al Qaeda, essentially a branch office in Egypt.
   
   
2. Egyptian Islamic Jihad | Egyptian extremist organization ...
   https://www.britannica.com/topic/Egyptian-Islamic-Jihad
   Egyptian Islamic Jihad. It was in Peshawar, Pakistan, that EIJ’s leaders Sayyid Imam al-Sharif and Ayman al-Zawahiri became acquainted with the Saudi financier and organizer Osama bin Laden, who founded the al-Qaeda network in the late 1980s.
   
   
   

 

[Raymann]

Who mentioned bush? Oh you just did. But i would very much appreciate you showing me where mentioned bush any time in the last few months.

That message was not directed at you but at sooda who for some reason mentioned president Bush out of nowhere.
Link here

I think Catholic bombs are not going off all
around the word. I think there is no "IC". I think I
read Bin Ladens letter to America.
I think there are no Catholic talibans. I think islamic
apologists and excuse makers have their own agenda
however the may try to conceal it.

The truth and nothing but the truth.