Why is Islam so dangerous?

[sayak83]

Interesting, so using the same logic.
Shouldn't America have the right to attack Afghanistan after Muslims (instructed from Afghanistan) kill 3000 people and destroyed buildings and airplanes?
Would that qualify as mischief in the land?

On the other hand doesn't that Quran passage encourage terrorists to counter and attack America and its allies after America invaded Afghanistan?


What proof do you have that Raymann is dangerous?
I can point to you thousands of links proving that Islam is dangerous.
The fact that terrorists use the Islamic scriptures to commit atrocities is in itself enough reason to justify the title.


Wouldn't that list be almost identical when applied to Muslims.
A few tweaks here and there and you can reuse the same list and rename it "Top ten Signs you're a Muslim"


Most of those reformists seem to be located in western countries.
Nevertheless it is a positive sign and I hope something can be done in practice and not just around a table.

If you are concerned, simply read the Quran and find out if the book's statement supports violence and killing of civilians of other religions.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Anything at all can be interpreted in many different ways. The ability of humans to twist anything and everything to serve their violent desires is unrivalled.

Note that there were no acts of terrorism and only defensive warfare while Muhammad lived and the Quran was the authority.

 

[Raymann]

If you are concerned, simply read the Quran and find out if the book's statement supports violence and killing of civilians of other religions.

I already read the Quran and it does supports violence and the killing of civilians of other religions.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Some things can be twisted a whole lot more than others. Also, some things don’t need to be twisted because they already are

In warped minds yes I agree but the reason why 1.7 billion Muslims are peaceful is due to what the Quran teaches. Muslims are beautiful people with a rich and wonderful culture.

They are, in case you didn’t notice, fellow human beings with feelings and a heart just like you and I. It’s so shameful as human beings we look on our fellow human beings as twisted and evil just because of what a few fanatics do.

I love Muslim people with all my heart, and the Quran only leads me to be more peaceful towards others and Muhammad brought so many new teachings which the west copied and made their own. He brought community laws and established constitutions and made of the fighting tribes a great nation.

There is so much ignorance about Islam and the contributions it has made to civilization.

Islamic Contributions to Civilization

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

So why is it that none of the 53 Muslim countries in the world don't use 100% Sharia?
Are they so afraid of the law Allah himself carefully designed? Isn't that in itself quite telling.
ISIS was the closest example of 100% Sharia and that didn't worked very well, did it?

You don't seem to know what "sharia" is. Again, it's no more sinister than Rabbinic law or Canon law. Your argument is a strawman, and for the exact reason none of the majority Christian nations not using "100% Canon law", nor Israel using "100% Rabbinical law" is not a condemnation of either of those things.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I already read the Quran and it does supports violence and the killing of civilians of other religions.

And the Bible supports killing people, too. The difference is you accept Christian apologetics by Christian scholars while not accepting the apologetics of Islamic scholars. It's a double standard.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

What proof do you have that Raymann is dangerous?
I can point to you thousands of links proving that Islam is dangerous.
The fact that terrorists use the Islamic scriptures to commit atrocities is in itself enough reason to justify the title.

The fact that the vast majority of Muslims don't support terrorism is enough to prove you're putting your concerns in the wrong place. If you care about critical thought, take some time and you will see your speaking from a place of emotive bias, not evidence.

If you prefer the tribal thrill of ingroup hating against the demonised Other, then as you were, I guess.

 

[sooda]

Interesting, so using the same logic.
Shouldn't America have the right to attack Afghanistan after Muslims (instructed from Afghanistan) kill 3000 people and destroyed buildings and airplanes?
Would that qualify as mischief in the land?

On the other hand doesn't that Quran passage encourage terrorists to counter and attack America and its allies after America invaded Afghanistan?


What proof do you have that Raymann is dangerous?
I can point to you thousands of links proving that Islam is dangerous.
The fact that terrorists use the Islamic scriptures to commit atrocities is in itself enough reason to justify the title.


Wouldn't that list be almost identical when applied to Muslims.
A few tweaks here and there and you can reuse the same list and rename it "Top ten Signs you're a Muslim"


Most of those reformists seem to be located in western countries.
Nevertheless it is a positive sign and I hope something can be done in practice and not just around a table.

Afghanistan didn't do 9-11. There were NO state actors.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Afghanistan didn't do 9-11. There were NO state actors.

Well... that's arguable. Sure as spit wasn't down to Afghanistan as either a state or a people, though.

 

[Raymann]

You don't seem to know what "sharia" is.

How would you know what I know?
I perfectly understand what Sharia is.

Christian majority countries are mostly secular (religion and government are separate entities), therefore the laws in place are agreed by democratic means.

you accept Christian apologetics by Christian scholars while not accepting the apologetics of Islamic scholars. It's a double standard.

Who is using the straw man fallacy now?
What makes you believe I don't accept islamic scholars?
Stop assuming things no one is saying.

The fact that the vast majority of Muslims don't support terrorism is enough to prove you're putting your concerns in the wrong place.

Wrong again. I'm putting my concerns in the right place.
The fact that most Muslims don't approve terrorism doesn't mean Islamic terrorists don't come from the same background than moderate Muslims come from and they use the same exact scriptures.
In other words, moderates and terrorists share the same background, go to the same mosques and believe in the same scriptures.
I don't blame moderates for the actions of terrorists.
I wonder why the terrorists interpret the scriptures that way.

Afghanistan didn't do 9-11. There were NO state actors.

I'm not sure what you mean but what I said is that those responsible for 9/11 were part of Al Qaeda who at the time were protected by the people in power in Afghanistan (The Taliban). Al Qaeda was the only reason for America invading Afghanistan.
Are you going to answer my questions now?

 

[ChristineM]

In the past sure. Present? Nope.



Yes ergo the context was Ireland in our discussion. You brought up other points unrelated to Ireland and the IRA like the LRA not I. Read the comment chain again.

Yup, "has been" is past.

The context was "why is islam dangerous" which happens to be the title of this thread

 

[ChristineM]

You made a blunder and now you are deflecting as you were refuted. Look in the mirror and get a dictionary. You were wrong and can not admit it. Simple as that.

You are the one so interested in percentages - when it suites you.

I admitted it so stop gloating like a child.

 

[ChristineM]

Took you a few posts to get around to this fact.



You do know how the reply feature works right?

And? I like to see your incredulous tantrums.

The fact i am replying to your posts is evidence of that, you do know the meaning of condescending right?

 

[sayak83]

I already read the Quran and it does supports violence and the killing of civilians of other religions.

Where?

 

[ChristineM]

Christine, are you lying again or just misrepresenting the truth?

The article that you cited doesn't say the crimes were committed by CHRISTIANS, it says they were committed by americans (mostly right wingers).
Right wingers are not necessarily Christians, you know?
So the crimes you attribute to Christians is false again and the statistic you cited is wrong or you just manipulated the information to serve your deceiving tactics.
You've been caught misrepresenting the truth multiple times now. Please be a responsible adult and face the facts as they are.

Here you go again with your pathetic accusations. Let me quote AGAIN from that article

"Professor Juan Cole casually estimates that Christians chalked up roughly 50 times more violent deaths than Muslims across the past century. "

I will accept your apology for accusing me of lying again.

 

[ChristineM]

These are deaths caused by baptized practicing Christians ?

Just a moment, i will phone them up and ask

 

[ChristineM]

Yes, facts as to why Islam is dangerous. I said nothing about Christians, and since I can´t open your link, I ask, This huge death toll you say exists was caused by baptized practicing Christians ? Was it the result of the teachings of Christianity ?

Yes it was a good comparison dont you think? Always better to get a more rounded view than being guilty of confirmation bias.

The link is to an reputable american newspaper. Why you cant open it i really have no idea.

I dont say the death toll exist, Professor Juan Cole who professor of history at the university of Michigan.

If you want to question his findings i suggest you contact him

 

[Raymann]

Where?

If you are concerned, simply read the Quran and find out if the book's statement supports violence and killing of civilians of other religions.

 

[ChristineM]

If you are concerned, simply read the Quran and find out if the book's statement supports violence and killing of civilians of other religions.

Read the bible.

 

[Raymann]

Professor Juan Cole casually estimates that Christians chalked up roughly 50 times more violent deaths than Muslims across the past century. "

I take your word on what Professor Juan Cole said but what I said is that nowhere in your post you mention the source of your claim. I read the article in the link provided and there's no mention of Professor Juan Cole.
So let's see where Professor Juan Cole got those numbers?
Is he some kind of authority in the subject?
Why should we believe what he says?
When he says Christians, does he mean "Westerners" or they really checked the religion of the criminals?
Were they practicing Christians?
Were those crimes committed in the name of Christianity?

Read the bible.

I read it already, cover to cover.
Did you and Professor Juan Cole read it?