Why is Islam so dangerous?

[Audie]

As for why Islam is so dangerous?

People believe in it.
They see the violent acts of their
perfect prophet, and, as in the
command of Jesus, go forth and
do likewise.

Except of course, Jesus never did
anything more violent than turning
over some tables.

A little tamer than bandit gangs raiding
caravans.

 

[loverofhumanity]

this is just freaking insane.

do you know what the word ONLY means?

And it goes on to say that only the the Words of the Koran are perfect.

Yes. We believe it is the Word of God. Like the Bible too. But the further we go back in history the more authenticity and verification becomes a problem.

So we Baha’is believe in the infallibility of Jesus, Moses, Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad, Zoroaster and Moses and now the Bab and Baha’u’llah not just Muhammad. All these Great Beings we consider both error free and sin free.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Lets not have insincerity. My words are not kind, nor
intended to be.

Terrorists follow the (good, as you put it) example
set by the (infallible) mohammed. You simply
cannot credibly deny that.

It is hardly for you to say that they who follow his
precise example are not the "true" moslems esp
as you are not one yourself.

You who are not a moslem believe this or that,
those who are believe something else.

Neither of you has one fact to back you up. It is
just chosen belief. Neither is a bit more valid than
the other.

You know, in a peaceful religion, the extremists would
be extremely peaceful. The are extremely violent and cruel.

Actions speak louder than words.
"Religion of peace" is just words.

That most of its victims do not go out
with suicide bombs says nothing about
the religion itself being one of "peace".

In a peaceful religion the extremists would be extremely peaceful?

Violent Buddhist extremists are targeting Muslims in Sri Lanka

Myanmar proves 'Buddhist' doesn’t necessarily mean 'peaceful' - Macleans.ca

Violent Buddhist extremists are targeting Muslims in Sri Lanka

I lived in Burma for 5 years. It is a country dominated by ethnic wars and violence between Buddhists and Karen Christians and Buddhists and the Rohingya considered by many the most persecuted people on earth. Even Buddhist monks took part in atrocities and promoted Holy war. The regime is Buddhist. The many battles fought by Krishna yet the Hindus believe in Ahimsa (non violence)

Krishna in the Mahabharata - Wikipedia

Every religion has had violence from the Crusades to Burma and the war Krishna fought, the Jews and the Amalekites.

Just about every religion has war and conflict in its history but the war fought by Muhammad and was to defend against genocide and for freedom of belief. It was a just war. The war Krishna fought was also a just war.

To claim that extremists of peaceful religions would be ‘extremely peaceful ’ does not reflect the facts on the ground unless you consider that it is not the Founder, nor the Holy Books that are the cause of the violence but rather instead disobedience to their religion..

Buddhism like Islam or Christianity does not teach violence but some extremist Buddhists are killers including monks so I say that they are acting against the teachings of their religion.

 

[charlie sc]

We dont have to imagine them.

Yeah but loverofhumanity might have to

 

[Audie]

Yes. We believe it is the Word of God. Like the Bible too. But the further we go back in history the more authenticity and verification becomes a problem.

So we Baha’is believe in the infallibility of Jesus, Moses, Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad, Zoroaster and Moses and now the Bab and Baha’u’llah not just Muhammad. All these Great Beings we consider both error free and sin free.

I do not doubt that you believe things. It is what
believers do, they just believe things. Astrology,
communism, psychics. Name it, someone will
believe it, maybe die for it.

People just believe things. So do you, and so
much the worse for you, but you are stuck with it.

I think part of your problem is very poor
cognitive skills. I have to repeat a simple
question ten times, then give up on it.
You cannot follow a topic. You just go back
to chanting.

As in this case. You said only the koran
is perfect, now you say oh yeah "mohammed"
is and a string of others besides. So very perfect too.

I asked you about the contradiction, and you just
start chanting that you believe things.

 

[Audie]

In a peaceful religion the extremists would be extremely peaceful?

Violent Buddhist extremists are targeting Muslims in Sri Lanka

Myanmar proves 'Buddhist' doesn’t necessarily mean 'peaceful' - Macleans.ca

Violent Buddhist extremists are targeting Muslims in Sri Lanka

I lived in Burma for 5 years. It is a country dominated by ethnic wars and violence between Buddhists and Karen Christians and Buddhists and the Rohingya considered by many the most persecuted people on earth. Even Buddhist monks took part in atrocities and promoted Holy war. The regime is Buddhist. The many battles fought by Krishna yet the Hindus believe in Ahimsa (non violence)

Krishna in the Mahabharata - Wikipedia

Every religion has had violence from the Crusades to Burma and the war Krishna fought, the Jews and the Amalekites.

Just about every religion has war and conflict in its history but the war fought by Muhammad and was to defend against genocide and for freedom of belief. It was a just war. The war Krishna fought was also a just war.

To claim that extremists of peaceful religions would be ‘extremely peaceful ’ does not reflect the facts on the ground unless you consider that it is not the Founder, nor the Holy Books that are the cause of the violence but rather instead disobedience to their religion..

Buddhism like Islam or Christianity does not teach violence but some extremist Buddhists are killers including monks so I say that they are acting against the teachings of their religion.

I guess you cognitive skill did not allow you to
notice that the thing about "extremely peaceful"
was a mild effort at humour. It is not even original.

REGARDLESS the Koran very obviously does
teach violence.
You cannot hide behind 'oh, wrong interpretation".
There is no way to say which is right. Everybody
thinks theirs is correct.

But as for yours? Here is one way to show that
peaceful-peaceful, is false. The 911 attack was
straight out of the book.

Those so called holy books all teach that
one should emulate the Teachers.

"take up your cross and follow me"

Mohammed-by your account-led attacks
on innocent merchants to weaken the enemy.

That is what the boys of 911 did, too, The
followed the leader.

You say otherwise? Who are you to be right
and say those willing to give their lives are wrong?
You can say when one should or should not follow
the example of a "perfect" person??

AND, if you please, the thread is about why Islam
is dangerous, like ebola is dangerous.

People believe in Islam, they read the "koran",
they see what their big hero did, they go forth
to do likewise.

The problem with "Islam" is systemic, built
right in to it. Whether you are a shill, or a
dupe I dont know, but your denial only
serves to focus attention on islam for what it is.

 

[Audie]

Yeah but loverofhumanity might have to

It will take more than imagination to get
through that cocoon of delusions he's
woven around himself.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I do not doubt that you believe things. It is what
believers do, they just believe things. Astrology,
communism, psychics. People just believe
things. So do you. so much the worse for you,
but you are stuck with it.

I think part of your problem is very poor
cognitive skills. I have to repeat a simple
question ten times, then give up on it.

Or in this case. You said only the koran
is perfect, now you say oh yeah "mohammed"
is and a string of others besides.

I asked you about the contradiction, and you just
start chanting that you believe things.

I posted that in another conversation in which Hadiths were referred to and in that context said that only the Quran was perfect (in Islam) not Hadiths because it is the only Word of God in Islam. That is the context in which I mentioned the word only not that no other Holy Writings are perfect.

Baha’is read from all the scriptures in our Houses of Worship because we believe the Word of God is perfect no matter which religion. But as we go further back in history authentication And verification of older scriptures becomes problematic.

In conversations confined to Islam of course I believe that only the Quran and Muhammad were perfect and infallible but if the discussion would have included other Faiths I would not have said only because we believe in the perfection of other scriptures also outside Islam. If you read and understood the entire post you would have noticed that I was comparing the Quran to Hadiths when I used the word only. I even included verses from the Quran rejecting Hadiths. So in regard to Hadiths only the Quran is perfect.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

I don't care much about religion.
I'm not against any religion, don't get me wrong.
I even believe religious people (Christians mainly because I grew up among them) are good people. They seem to be genuinely loving people.
I cannot speak much about other religions on a personal level because I don't make many friends that are not Christians or Atheists. Not my choice, it just happens that way.
Like many people, I have spent many hours researching on Islam after 9/11 happened.
I live in New York City so that was very close to me.
My research findings tell me Islam is a very dangerous religion.
The closer Islam gets to you the more dangerous it gets.
That seems to be a fact.
I know that Muslims are going to ask me to prove it from the scriptures and that is a ridiculous request.
There are 52 or 53 Muslim countries in the world and I can assure you that any of them has some sort of religious tension, wars or religious related violence in them.
I can quickly come up with links to prove it.
Most of the world is still Christian majority and today you rarely will find religion related violence in them.
The question is why?
Is there any hope that this pattern is going to change?
Is there some kind of Islamic reform possible?
Is war against Islam inevitable?

Well, aside from the fact that in some particularly liberal forums, talking bad about Islam can get you banned when the same courtesy is not extended to Christians (I'm not thrilled about this topic btw)...

They themselves admit in their book many of their worst traits, but will conceal or deny these things, often omitting or misquoting their teachings. This is called taqiyya, and undermines the most basic trust you have in a people. In fact, you can't even trust your own feelings because you constantly have doubts whether you're in fact being too hard on them.

Then you see Taliban blow up a statue of Buddha while eating at a Chinese restaurant, and watch the concern and fear, and actual tears in the eyes of the waitress, as she is trying not to lose face by publicly falling apart. And that tells you that your suspicions are right. And then you hear another Muslim woman talk about how 9/11 was a day "some ppl did something", ignoring the actual plane crashing into a building and people dying. And that tells you all these ppl talking about how they've had peaceful encounters with Muslims are being tricked.

And then you hear about women having their stuff mutilated, forced to wear hijab or be stoned or acid-washed, the completely cruel way animals are butchered under halal (slow bled to death while fully conscious and while other animals watch). And destruction of historical and religious statues that contradict their history or culture. And all of it seems bad.

But not as bad as feeling alone and unsure of what is true due to a massive suppression campaign. Taqiyya is why Islam is so bad. Even if you're Christian or Byddhist and you want to believe everyone can change, everyone is basically good, you have a people who make the same sort of promises as an abusive husband who swears "this time" he's different. Only you never have any clear notion whether this time he might in fact beat you to death.

If someone is honest to you, they arw likely honest to themselves, and can actually correct the things they have trouble with. Which brings me to the next real problem, that Islam sees itself as infallible. Someone who never believes they are in the wrong will take and take when ppl are kind, then blame them when someone finally feels used.

 

[Audie]

I posted that in another conversation in which Hadiths were referred to and in that context said that only the Quran was perfect (in Islam) not Hadiths because it is the only Word of God in Islam. That is the context in which I mentioned the word only not that no other Holy Writings are perfect.

Baha’is read from all the scriptures in our Houses of Worship because we believe the Word of God is perfect no matter which religion. But as we go further back in history authentication And verification of older scriptures becomes problematic.

In conversations confined to Islam of course I believe that only the Quran and Muhammad were perfect and infallible but if the discussion would have included other Faiths I would not have said only because we believe in the perfection of other scriptures also outside Islam. If you read and understood the entire post you would have noticed that I was comparing the Quran to Hadiths when I used the word only. I even included verses from the Quran rejecting Hadiths. So in regard to Hadiths only the Quran is perfect.

Well, one thing for sure, as long as you believe
your koran is perfect, and you stick to what you
believe it says (are you perfect? is what you
choose to believe infallible?) then you will always
be right.

You’re always right and I’m always wrong and you say that we should not be closed minded?

On the matter of closed mind, it does appear
that yours is shut tight as a welded submarine
hatch.

I will take your word for it that I took your quote
out of context, so sure, that allows for limitless
other things to be perfect and infallible,not just
the koran. So there is no contradiction.

For another occasion, here is the easy way to do it.
You only needed one sentence.

"In context, i was saying that among islamic
writings, only koran is considered perfect."

 

[loverofhumanity]

It will take more than imagination to get
through that cocoon of delusions he's
woven around himself.

That I am considered delusional is to me a compliment and high praise.

I consider you intelligent, patient, a person who wants peace and cares for humankind and I hope that one day you will consider me your friend. I already consider you mine.

 

[Audie]

That I am considered delusional is to me a compliment and high praise.

I consider you intelligent, patient, a person who wants peace and cares for humankind and I hope that one day you will consider me your friend. I already consider you mine.

I guess I could ask how you could consider
it good to be delusional, but, I guess I wont.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Well, one thing for sure, as long as you believe
your koran is perfect, and you stick to what you
believe it says (are you perfect? is what you
choose to believe infallible?) then you will always
be right.

You’re always right and I’m always wrong and you say that we should not be closed minded?

On the matter of closed mind, it does appear
that yours is shut tight as a welded submarine
hatch.

I will take your word for it that I took your quote
out of context, so sure, that allows for limitless
other things to be perfect and infallible,not just
the koran. So there is no contradiction.

For another occasion, here is the easy way to do it.
You only needed one sentence.

"In context, i was saying that among islamic
writings, only koran is considered perfect."

From my posts you can clearly see I’m most imperfect and you put it so aptly in one short sentence. You are a very tolerant and patient person and i admire your forbearance.

 

[Audie]

From my posts you can clearly see I’m most imperfect and you put it so aptly in one short sentence. You are a very tolerant and patient person and i admire your forbearance.

We are all imperfect but it seems you believe you
have a way to always be correct, in certain matters.

Is that not the same as infallible, in that context?

 

[loverofhumanity]

We are all imperfect but it seems you believe you
have a way to always be correct, in certain matters.

Is that not the same as infallible, in that context?

It is my belief that the Word of God contains all the correct and infallible knowledge and solutions if it is referred to and consulted not any individual.

 

[Audie]

It is my belief that the Word of God contains all the correct and infallible knowledge and solutions if it is referred to and consulted not any individual.

So when you say something like that "mohammed is
perfect" there is no possibility whatsoever that
you could be mistaken? Ie, an infallible statement.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So when you say something like that "mohammed is
perfect" there is no possibility whatsoever that
you could be mistaken? Ie, an infallible statement.

The Word of God imparts true knowledge and understanding.

 

[Audie]

The Word of God imparts true knowledge and understanding.

I know you believe that. But you did not, as
usual answer the question.

"Is there any possibility that you are mistaken"

Try a yes or no.



I kind of like facts when possible,not beliefs
and opinions.

For example-

If there is a god, and it is so inclined,
it could give "true knowledge etc.".

You said-

The Word of God imparts true knowledge and understanding.

THAT is an opinion.

For lo, you have no evidence whatever to show that this
is true.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I know you believe that. But you did not, as
usual answer the question.

"Is there any possibility that you are mistaken"

Try a yes or no.



I kind of like facts when possible,not beliefs
and opinions.

For example-

If there is a god, and it is so inclined,
it could give "true knowledge etc.".

You said-

The Word of God imparts true knowledge and understanding.

THAT is an opinion.

For lo, you have no evidence whatever to show that this
is true.

Is there any possibility that I am mistaken about Muhammad being a Prophet of God infallible, error free and perfect and the Quran likewise and that the Quran and Muhammad only taught what was good and shunned all evil including injustice and terrorism - NO. But I must observe forum rules so add I believe I am not wrong.

Baha’u’llah has explained the conditions and requirements of attaining the station of Certitude which is true understanding in His Book of Certitude. (The Word Of God)

These conditions must be met in order to attain true knowledge and understanding. Just reading will not suffice.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I know you believe that. But you did not, as
usual answer the question.

"Is there any possibility that you are mistaken"

Try a yes or no.



I kind of like facts when possible,not beliefs
and opinions.

For example-

If there is a god, and it is so inclined,
it could give "true knowledge etc.".

You said-

The Word of God imparts true knowledge and understanding.

THAT is an opinion.

For lo, you have no evidence whatever to show that this
is true.

The Word of God says that it gives true understanding if you want quotes I can provide them from both the Quran and Baha’u’llah.