Why is Islam so dangerous?

[Raymann]

Given that these sexual norms are not the sole preserve of Islam, I don't think we can say that.

So if you're going to reject every attempt to a possible explanation why don't you come up with a possible explanation of your own.
It is obvious to me that there is some extra sexual tension on these young muslims.
Unofficially around 1500 women were attacked in the Cologne new year's festivities. It has happened in Music concerts, swimming pools, etc.
Is it sexual tension or religious rejection to western dress standards?
The difference I see in Islam and most other religions is that none of them have that strong fanaticism in them.
I'm not sure "fanaticism" is the right word but I mean Islam seems to be a more intense religion. Christians are way more layback. Just because you read a rule in the Bible doesn't mean all Christians follow it, not even close.

Don't you remember how Ariel Sharon ticked off the French Jews.. He insisted they were in danger and needed to move themselves and their money to Israel.

I take your word for that but many of the new Jews moving to Israel specifically mention insecurity for them and their children caused primarily by the new Muslim immigration as the cause for the move. I have no reason to not believe what they're saying.

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[The_Fisher_King]

So if you're going to reject every attempt to a possible explanation why don't you come up with a possible explanation of your own.

I already have - it's a numbers game - amongst the massive influx of Muslim migrants that we have seen coming into Europe, it's inevitable that there are going to be some men amongst them who can't keep their hands to themselves. Every community has them, the Muslim community is no different.

I'm not sure "fanaticism" is the right word but I mean Islam seems to be a more intense religion.

There are actually plenty of Muslims who don't practice the principles of Islam that the Qur'an and Hadiths dictate, some for ideological reasons, some out of ignorance, some because they find them difficult or just don't want to.

 

[Notanumber]

Verbal attacks are just as bad as physical attacks in Islam.

 

[sooda]

So if you're going to reject every attempt to a possible explanation why don't you come up with a possible explanation of your own.
It is obvious to me that there is some extra sexual tension on these young muslims.
Unofficially around 1500 women were attacked in the Cologne new year's festivities. It has happened in Music concerts, swimming pools, etc.
Is it sexual tension or religious rejection to western dress standards?
The difference I see in Islam and most other religions is that none of them have that strong fanaticism in them.
I'm not sure "fanaticism" is the right word but I mean Islam seems to be a more intense religion. Christians are way more layback. Just because you read a rule in the Bible doesn't mean all Christians follow it, not even close.

I take your word for that but many of the new Jews moving to Israel specifically mention insecurity for them and their children caused primarily by the new Muslim immigration as the cause for the move. I have no reason to not believe what they're saying.

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This was before 9-11 when the Saudis capitulated and offered to guarantee Israel's security as well as trade, diplomatic relations and recognition. 21 Arab states signed on including Syria,

 

[Raymann]

Muslims sexual assaults problem explanation.

I already have - it's a numbers game - amongst the massive influx of Muslim migrants that we have seen coming into Europe, it's inevitable that there are going to be some men amongst them who can't keep their hands to themselves. Every community has them, the Muslim community is no different.

Are you joking? or you're really not aware of the dimension of the problem?
Every community has them? Not to this level.
Every community experience 1500 sexual assaults in a single square when people get together for new year's celebrations? I don't think so.
Every community experience what happens in the Uk. where the Muslim pakistani's less than 2% of the population commits more than 84% of the grooming gang crimes?
Every community experience women having to change their hair color to avoid being the next sexual assault victim?
Every community has them? Really?
Every community experience women being sexually assaulted in religious sacred places like the mosque in Mecca?
These are totally covered up Muslim women.
'Groped by Holy Mosque guard during Hajj' in Mecca - BBC News

NO SIR, MOST COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE THIS HAPPENING UNLESS MUSLIMS LIVE THERE.

There are actually plenty of Muslims who don't practice the principles of Islam that the Qur'an and Hadiths dictate, some for ideological reasons, some out of ignorance, some because they find them difficult or just don't want to.

I don't know what you're saying here. If there are plenty of nonpracticing Muslims but the sexual crimes are still very high within the community then we might have to conclude that is not entirely religion to blame but part of it is "Muslim Culture". Am I right?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Muslims sexual assaults problem explanation.

Are you joking? or you're really not aware of the dimension of the problem?
Every community has them? Not to this level.
Every community experience 1500 sexual assaults in a single square when people get together for new year's celebrations? I don't think so.
Every community experience what happens in the Uk. where the Muslim pakistani's less than 2% of the population commits more than 84% of the grooming gang crimes?
Every community experience women having to change their hair color to avoid being the next sexual assault victim?
Every community has them? Really?
Every community experience women being sexually assaulted in religious sacred places like the mosque in Mecca?
These are totally covered up Muslim women.
'Groped by Holy Mosque guard during Hajj' in Mecca - BBC News

NO SIR, MOST COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE THIS HAPPENING UNLESS MUSLIMS LIVE THERE.
I don't know what you're saying here. If there are plenty of nonpracticing Muslims but the sexual crimes are still very high within the community then we might have to conclude that is not entirely religion to blame but part of it is "Muslim Culture". Am I right?

Raymann, I have a challenge for you.
Say ONE good thing about Muslims or Islam. Or do you not see any good in other people?

 

[Raymann]

Raymann, I have a challenge for you.
Say ONE good thing about Muslims or Islam. Or do you not see any good in other people?

Oh man, you might think that is a challenge for me but it really isn't.
I believe most Muslims like any other people from any other religion are inherently good and peaceful people.
The problem is that they believe in a false religion, created by a human being who was convinced by his wife and her cousin that he was a prophet.
This man took advantage of the situation and now 1.6 billion people believe in that lie. Most Muslims were born into the religion and had no other choice but to stay with it.
All you need to do is to read the Quran to realize this is the work of an evil man. It is misogynistic, oppressive toward women and toward men as well. It makes it difficult to get out and easy to get in. It promotes segregation when possible, etc, etc, etc.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Oh man, you might think that is a challenge for me but it really isn't.
I believe most Muslims like any other people from any other religion are inherently good and peaceful people.
The problem is that they believe in a false religion, created by a human being who was convinced by his wife and her cousin that he was a prophet.
This man took advantage of the situation and now 1.6 billion people believe in that lie. Most Muslims were born into the religion and had no other choice but to stay with it.
All you need to do is to read the Quran to realize this is the work of an evil man. It is misogynistic, oppressive toward women and toward men as well. It makes it difficult to get out and easy to get in. It promotes segregation when possible, etc, etc, etc.

So you base your view because in your opinion Islam is false? Ofcourse you are allowed to have this view, i have no intention to stop you.

 

[Shad]

I'd say a declaration of war - and one that involves killing your messenger - invited more than a simple 'We declare war on you back' back in those times.

You didn't read the supposed letter (which there is no evidence for). Telling an Emperor that rejecting Islam is sinful is not the most diplomatic thing in an era where diplomacy is nothing like it is now. Toss in the whole power dynamic between a weak prophet compared to an Emperor. Doing the same thing in modern time in most Muslims nation would land a person in jail facing blasphemy charges and execution.

What have Muslims done to people claiming to be prophets after Muhammad? Think about it.

 

[Raymann]

So you base your view because in your opinion Islam is false? Ofcourse you are allowed to have this view, i have no intention to stop you.

Absolutely, but that is just part of it.
As I said it from the beginning, I don't mind any religion, I don't hate any religion and I don't mind people believing in religions.
What I don't like is people doing harm and being violent based on scriptures and/or teachings coming from religions.
There has been a long history of violence coming from many religions but at the moment Islam is the one at the top on the violence ratings and that's what is getting my attention at the moment. I keep researching and trying to explain the reasons for it while Muslim apologists (most Muslims are Islamists apologists), try to hide or deflect attention from the issues.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Absolutely, but that is just part of it.
As I said it from the beginning, I don't mind any religion, I don't hate any religion and I don't mind people believing in religions.
What I don't like is people doing harm and being violent based on scriptures and/or teachings coming from religions.
There has been a long history of violence coming from many religions but at the moment Islam is the one at the top on the violence ratings and that's what is getting my attention at the moment. I keep researching and trying to explain the reasons for it while Muslim apologists (most Muslims are Islamists apologists), try to hide or deflect attention from the issues.

So instead of say a lot of negative comment on Islam and Muslims, why not ask them what it means when something is written in the quran." What does this mean Why is it writting like this do you follow this rules", Much better to open a dialog so both parts can openly tell why they say so and so. Yes i know it is more difficult to discuss normally with extremists, but that counts also for Right wing people who hate other then their own race. But it is possible if we can respect each others for being human beings

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Every community experience 1500 sexual assaults in a single square when people get together for new year's celebrations? I don't think so.

Sexual assaults happen in all sorts of places. Their perpetrators come from many different backgrounds.

Every community experience what happens in the Uk. where the Muslim pakistani's less than 2% of the population commits more than 84% of the grooming gang crimes?

There is indeed a problem with British Asians' involvement in grooming gangs. Why this is happening needs looking at. But that's just one part of the overall picture. Paedophile rings are overwhelmingly White affairs. The overwhelming majority of individual perpetrators of sexual crimes against minors are not Asian either.

Every community experience women being sexually assaulted in religious sacred places like the mosque in Mecca?

Again, given the sheer number of people visiting Mecca, it's inevitable that there are going to be some criminals there. I'd be surprised if sexual offences didn't also happen in other religious institutions.

I don't know what you're saying here. If there are plenty of nonpracticing Muslims but the sexual crimes are still very high within the community then we might have to conclude that is not entirely religion to blame but part of it is "Muslim Culture". Am I right?

I was responding to your point about the 'intensity' of Islam compared to other religions.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Telling an Emperor that rejecting Islam is sinful is not the most diplomatic thing in an era where diplomacy is nothing like it is now. Toss in the whole power dynamic between a weak prophet compared to an Emperor.

That doesn't take anything away from killing a messenger being a declaration of war.

Doing the same thing in modern time in most Muslims nation would land a person in jail facing blasphemy charges and execution.

What have Muslims done to people claiming to be prophets after Muhammad? Think about it.

That's arguably a separate issue.

 

[sooda]

So if you're going to reject every attempt to a possible explanation why don't you come up with a possible explanation of your own.
It is obvious to me that there is some extra sexual tension on these young muslims.
Unofficially around 1500 women were attacked in the Cologne new year's festivities. It has happened in Music concerts, swimming pools, etc.
Is it sexual tension or religious rejection to western dress standards?
The difference I see in Islam and most other religions is that none of them have that strong fanaticism in them.
I'm not sure "fanaticism" is the right word but I mean Islam seems to be a more intense religion. Christians are way more layback. Just because you read a rule in the Bible doesn't mean all Christians follow it, not even close.

I take your word for that but many of the new Jews moving to Israel specifically mention insecurity for them and their children caused primarily by the new Muslim immigration as the cause for the move. I have no reason to not believe what they're saying.

FACE OFF - Jews and Muslims in France

2004

Sharon urges Jews in France to leave as anti-Semitism grows. While acknowledging that the French government was fighting racial violence, Mr Sharon warned of "the spread of the wildest anti-Semitism" in France. The Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon yesterday urged Jews to flee France to escape a rising tide of anti-Semitism.
Sharon urges Jews in France to leave as anti-Semitism ...
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sharon-urges-jews-in-france-to-leave-as-anti-semitism-gro…

 

[Raymann]

So instead of say a lot of negative comment on Islam and Muslims, why not ask them what it means when something is written in the Quran." What does this mean Why is it writting like this do you follow these rules", Much better to open a dialog so both parts can openly tell why they say so and so.

Well you should have realized at this point that every Muslim (moderate or extremist) is also an apologist.
Muslims won't accept any statistic you throw at them about Islamic criminality. They instead would use tactics like "The_Fisher_King" is doing at the moment, deflecting attention or sharing the blame.
Examples: ALL religions have extremists, ALL communities have sexual assaults, ALL religions have terrorists. ALL religions have an Osama Bin Laden in them.
Do you get my point?

There is indeed a problem with British Asians' involvement in grooming gangs. Why this is happening needs looking at. But that's just one part of the overall picture. Paedophile rings are overwhelmingly White affairs. The overwhelming majority of individual perpetrators of sexual crimes against minors are not Asian either.

Can you share your numbers? I sincerely doubt it.
Of course in an 80% white people place most crimes of any kind are going to be committed by white people and the reverse is also the truth.
Still, that's not the case in Europe at the moment where as I mentioned 2% of Muslim Pakistanis commit 84% of the grooming gang crimes. I believe the numbers are similar for rapes and any other sexual assault cases but I don't have the numbers mainly because authorities are doing a good job in hiding them.
Sweden, for instance, would not include racial or religious background on sexual assault offenders then how you're going to know which group is doing the crimes?
Unofficially we know who is doing the crimes.

You didn't read the supposed letter (which there is no evidence for). Telling an Emperor that rejecting Islam is sinful is not the most diplomatic thing in an era where diplomacy is nothing like it is now. Toss in the whole power dynamic between a weak prophet compared to an Emperor. Doing the same thing in modern time in most Muslims nation would land a person in jail facing blasphemy charges and execution.

Very good point, especially when you consider that the Byzantines's official religion was "Christianity". The proposal is insulting, to say the least.

 

[sooda]

Well you should have realized at this point that every Muslim (moderate or extremist) is also an apologist.
Muslims won't accept any statistic you throw at them about Islamic criminality. They instead would use tactics like "The_Fisher_King" is doing at the moment, deflecting attention or sharing the blame.
Examples: ALL religions have extremists, ALL communities have sexual assaults, ALL religions have terrorists. ALL religions have an Osama Bil Laden in them.
Do you get my point?
Can you share your numbers? I sincerely doubt it.
Of course in an 80% white people place most crimes of any kind are going to be committed by white people and the reverse is also the truth.
Still, that's not the case in Europe at the moment where as I mentioned 2% of Muslim Pakistanis commit 84% of the grooming gang crimes. I believe the numbers are similar for rapes and any other sexual assault cases but I don't have the numbers mainly because authorities are doing a good job in hiding them.
Sweden, for instance, would not include racial or religious background on sexual assault offenders then how you're going to know which group is doing the crimes?
Unofficially we know who is doing the crimes.
Very good point, especially when you consider that the Byzantines's official religion was "Christianity". The proposal is insulting, to say the least.

I like Muslims and I have lived and traveled all over the Arab world. I have never felt threatened or even insulted. What's your issue exactly?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Well you should have realized at this point that every Muslim (moderate or extremist) is also an apologist.
Muslims won't accept any statistic you throw at them about Islamic criminality. They instead would use tactics like "The_Fisher_King" is doing at the moment, deflecting attention or sharing the blame.
Examples: ALL religions have extremists, ALL communities have sexual assaults, ALL religions have terrorists. ALL religions have an Osama Bin Laden in them.
Do you get my point?
.

As i stated before, i have met many muslims and had muslim friends. And i have had countless talks with them about islam or other religions, and at no point have any of them attacked me, or wanted to harm me for what i say or ask. They have listen to my questions, and they asked me about Buddhism.
I have even been in a Mosque and talked about religion in general, and no muslim attacked me.

So no i do not share your view of muslims, but yes there are some muslims who do wrong deeds, just like there is Christans, Buddhists Hindus and other religious people who do wrong deeds.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Can you share your numbers? I sincerely doubt it.

Research by the National Crime Agency's Child Exploitation and Online Protection Command (CEOP) published in 2012 found that 85% of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in 2011 were White. Another CEOP study released the following year found 75% of offenders in grooming gang cases were from Asian backgrounds, while 100% in paedophile rings were White.

A co-author of the report that gives you the 84% figure for British Asian involvement in grooming gangs had this to say about the differences between British Asian and British White men's ways of operating: "British white men they tend to work individually. They tend to work online where they groom and they are the majority of perpetrators. When it comes to Asian men or Pakistani men they tend to do it in groups."

So there is definitely something 'interesting' going on with the grooming gangs that warrants investigation, I never denied that. But that is one part of an overall picture of abuse against minors.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Did you read those verses? All are of Moses talking to God and God talking to Mose. Moses then tells the people not God. Ergo the verses refuted your claims.

I have already addressed this. In Exodus 19, God speaks directly to ALL the people. 'nuff said.

 

[Raymann]

As i stated before, i have met many muslims and had muslim friends.

Good for you and for those Muslims who befriended you.

I like Muslims and I have lived and traveled all over the Arab world. I have never felt threatened or even insulted. What's your issue exactly?

I'm not surprised, the overwhelming majority are law-abiding, good and peaceful people but you have to be careful.
A friend of mine had trouble getting his wife back from the hands of a group of Egyptians while visiting the pyramids.

What's your issue exactly?

Islamic violence. These videos might explain it to you.
The following video illustrates what could happen when the Islamic population grows.

What sexual harassment looks like in a Muslim country (Egypt). Notice that the violence, in this case, is mostly against Muslim women. That shows you that I'm not against Muslims, I'm against Muslim violence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfNQalkT3Uc

Research by the National Crime Agency's Child Exploitation and Online Protection Command (CEOP) published in 2012 found that 85% of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in 2011 were White. Another CEOP study released the following year found 75% of offenders in grooming gang cases were from Asian backgrounds, while 100% in paedophile rings were White.

I would have loved to have links to that data.
It is very easy to manipulate the data.
85% of white criminals from a pool of 100 million is still not as bad as the remaining 15% coming from a pool of only 2 million.
See what I mean?
Another thing is that that data is PRE MASSIVE MUSLIM IMMIGRATION. A time when Europe looked a lot whiter than it looks today. I'm sure those numbers are a lot different today.
Today Europe is very reluctant to show the real numbers. I don't know the point in doing that. Maybe they don't want to admit multiculturalism didn't work as planned.