Why is Islam so dangerous?

[FragrantGrace]

At this point it becomes clear Lover of Humanity is propagating the "Islam is a religion of peace and Muhammad is misunderstood" package.

Sura Al Baqarah in the noble Qur'an:
178. O you who believe! Al-Qisas (the Law of Equality in punishment) is prescribed for you in case of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. But if the killer is forgiven by the brother (or the relatives, etc.) of the killed against blood money, then adhering to it with fairness and payment of the blood money, to the heir should be made in fairness. This is an alleviation and a mercy from your Lord. So after this whoever transgresses the limits (i.e. kills the killer after taking the blood money), he shall have a painful torment.

This is from . It is commentary on the prescriptions within the Qur'an as pertains to punishments. And contains the commentary of Muhammad or his companions.

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 79:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Umar:

The Jews brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from among them who had committed illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet said to them, "How do you usually punish the one amongst you who has committed illegal sexual intercourse?" They replied, "We blacken their faces with coal and beat them," He said, "Don't you find the order of Ar-Rajm (i.e. stoning to death) in the Torah?" They replied, "We do not find anything in it." 'Abdullah bin Salam (after hearing this conversation) said to them. "You have told a lie! Bring here the Torah and recite it if you are truthful." (So the Jews brought the Torah). And the religious teacher who was teaching it to them, put his hand over the Verse of Ar-Rajm and started reading what was written above and below the place hidden with his hand, but he did not read the Verse of Ar-Rajm. 'Abdullah bin Salam removed his (i.e. the teacher's) hand from the Verse of Ar-Rajm and said, "What is this?" So when the Jews saw that Verse, they said, "This is the Verse of Ar-Rajm." So the Prophet ordered the two adulterers to be stoned to death, and they were stoned to death near the place where biers used to be placed near the Mosque. I saw her companion (i.e. the adulterer) bowing over her so as to protect her from the stones.

 

[Audie]

Muhammad only set a good example. Those who committed that act did so in disobedience to the Quran. They did it for their own selfish reasons not on behalf of Islam.

Ha, ha, and ha. "Disobedience to the koran"

The 911 guys followed his shining example.
As for selfish motive, you simply made that up.
Giving your life for "allah" and "islam" hardly sounds
selfish.

Anyway, never mind; you have already
said enough even though you are incapable of
actually answering my question.

"Mohammed" set a good example by
what he did, which was to go out and
murder innocent non combatants because
they were indirectly supporting the war
effort-by his figuring.

That is precisely the sick mindset of the terrorist .

 

[loverofhumanity]

At this point it becomes clear Lover of Humanity is propagating the "Islam is a religion of peace and Muhammad is misunderstood" package.

Sura Al Baqarah in the noble Qur'an:
178. O you who believe! Al-Qisas (the Law of Equality in punishment) is prescribed for you in case of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. But if the killer is forgiven by the brother (or the relatives, etc.) of the killed against blood money, then adhering to it with fairness and payment of the blood money, to the heir should be made in fairness. This is an alleviation and a mercy from your Lord. So after this whoever transgresses the limits (i.e. kills the killer after taking the blood money), he shall have a painful torment.

This is from . It is commentary on the prescriptions within the Qur'an as pertains to punishments. And contains the commentary of Muhammad or his companions.

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 79:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Umar:

The Jews brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from among them who had committed illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet said to them, "How do you usually punish the one amongst you who has committed illegal sexual intercourse?" They replied, "We blacken their faces with coal and beat them," He said, "Don't you find the order of Ar-Rajm (i.e. stoning to death) in the Torah?" They replied, "We do not find anything in it." 'Abdullah bin Salam (after hearing this conversation) said to them. "You have told a lie! Bring here the Torah and recite it if you are truthful." (So the Jews brought the Torah). And the religious teacher who was teaching it to them, put his hand over the Verse of Ar-Rajm and started reading what was written above and below the place hidden with his hand, but he did not read the Verse of Ar-Rajm. 'Abdullah bin Salam removed his (i.e. the teacher's) hand from the Verse of Ar-Rajm and said, "What is this?" So when the Jews saw that Verse, they said, "This is the Verse of Ar-Rajm." So the Prophet ordered the two adulterers to be stoned to death, and they were stoned to death near the place where biers used to be placed near the Mosque. I saw her companion (i.e. the adulterer) bowing over her so as to protect her from the stones.

Yes, I believe in the Prophethood of Muhammad and that the Quran is the Word of God.

Laws revealed in each age are prescribed according to God’s Wisdom for that time. Each age has different requirements. Laws revealed for desert tribes where there were no jails, police, corrective facilities or courts of law had the purpose of both a deterrent as well as punishment.

These laws are not for this age where we have facilities and means to reform offenders and isolate them to protect the community. These conditions did not exist at that time so law enforcement was according to the needs of that age.

But as to Hadiths. The Quran is the only and earliest authoritative historical account of the birth of Islam. As events unfolded it recorded these events over a period of 23 years.

The Quran as the Word of God is protected from error whereas no such protection is afforded Hadiths which are written by the pen of man not by the Hand of God so to speak. Many Hadiths have been proven to be forgeries and error ridden and any Hadith which contradicts the Quran is not accepted as God’s Word trumps man’s.


[31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.

[45:6] These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Ha, ha, and ha. "Disobedience to the koran"

The 911 guys followed his shining example.
As for selfish motive, you simply made that up.
Giving your life for "allah" and "islam" hardly sounds
selfish.

Anyway, never mind; you have already
said enough even though you are incapable of
actually answering my question.

"Mohammed" set a good example by
what he did, which was to go out and
murder innocent non combatants because
they were indirectly supporting the war
effort-by his figuring.

That is precisely the sick mindset of the terrorist .

That’s your view which your fully entitled to.

 

[FragrantGrace]

Yes, I believe in the Prophethood of Muhammad and that the Quran is the Word of God.

Laws revealed in each age are prescribed according to God’s Wisdom for that time. Each age has different requirements. Laws revealed for desert tribes where there were no jails, police, corrective facilities or courts of law had the purpose of both a deterrent as well as punishment.

These laws are not for this age where we have facilities and means to reform offenders and isolate them to protect the community. These conditions did not exist at that time so law enforcement was according to the needs of that age.

But as to Hadiths. The Quran is the only and earliest authoritative historical account of the birth of Islam. As events unfolded it recorded these events over a period of 23 years.

The Quran as the Word of God is protected from error whereas no such protection is afforded Hadiths which are written by the pen of man not by the Hand of God so to speak. Many Hadiths have been proven to be forgeries and error ridden and any Hadith which contradicts the Quran is not accepted as God’s Word trumps man’s.


[31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.

[45:6] These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?

[Quran 6:112] We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.

 

[Audie]

That’s your view which your fully entitled to.

It is not 'my view".
YOU made up the selfish motive.
YOU are the one who is incapable of answering
a simple question, presented how many times.
YOU are the one who presented that it is ok to kill
innocent non combatants.
YOU are the one who claims "mohammed" is
"perfect".
YOU are the one who said he set an example.

It is YOUR view.

It is the view of thousands and thousands and
thousands of islamic terrorists, and yet more who
support them.

BTW, re indirect support?
That is what you are doing.
YOU are giving indirect support to the
terrorists.

You think mohammed is perfect; so do they.
You think murderous attacks on non combatants
is groovy; so do they.

Those are the pillars on which terrorism stands.

And you want to put it on me, that I just
have a "view".

If you are not one who thinks he is also
perfect, and you are not utterly lost in
indoctrination, like a suicide bomber,
maybe you should think if this is really
the "view" you want to stick to!

 

[Audie]

Yes, I believe in the Prophethood of Muhammad and that the Quran is the Word of God.

Laws revealed in each age are prescribed according to God’s Wisdom for that time. Each age has different requirements. Laws revealed for desert tribes where there were no jails, police, corrective facilities or courts of law had the purpose of both a deterrent as well as punishment.

These laws are not for this age where we have facilities and means to reform offenders and isolate them to protect the community. These conditions did not exist at that time so law enforcement was according to the needs of that age.

But as to Hadiths. The Quran is the only and earliest authoritative historical account of the birth of Islam. As events unfolded it recorded these events over a period of 23 years.

The Quran as the Word of God is protected from error whereas no such protection is afforded Hadiths which are written by the pen of man not by the Hand of God so to speak. Many Hadiths have been proven to be forgeries and error ridden and any Hadith which contradicts the Quran is not accepted as God’s Word trumps man’s.


[31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.

[45:6] These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?

ah, you decide which laws apply now and which do
not,

 

[Raymann]

Raymann said: ↑
The war in Syria is a really complex one with many groups and countries fighting for different interests in play.

Correct. And as such saying things like "we're there because ISIS" isn't really helpful.

Within all the complexity of the Syrian war there is also ISIS in the mix.
The US didn't get in the civil war where Muslims are killing each other as they often do. There are multiple groups fighting against the government.
Who is right and who is wrong is arguably.
It is very clear to me and I repeat it that the US and its allies got in the war only because of ISIS and had nothing to do with the ongoing civil war.
Yes we all know the US and Russia have business interests in the civil war but that's another topic.

iraq had chemical weapons in the 1980s and 90s. We know that and it's not in dispute. Where is your evidence it had them at the time of the 2003 invasion?

There was never any evidence of the weapons, the only evidence was that they had used them in the past, and that was a fact.
The logical deduction was that the weapons were there somewhere.
There are reports that in 2014 the weapons were found.
How reliable are these reports? I don't know.
Let me point out that I'm explaining the reasons the US used to attack Iraq, that doesn't mean that I personally agree with those reasons. Don't kill the messenger.

 

[FragrantGrace]

Ha, ha, and ha. "Disobedience to the koran"

The 911 guys followed his shining example.
As for selfish motive, you simply made that up.
Giving your life for "allah" and "islam" hardly sounds
selfish.

Anyway, never mind; you have already
said enough even though you are incapable of
actually answering my question.

"Mohammed" set a good example by
what he did, which was to go out and
murder innocent non combatants because
they were indirectly supporting the war
effort-by his figuring.

That is precisely the sick mindset of the terrorist .

Do not forget Ayesha, Muhammad's six year old wife whom he deflowered later when she was 9. According to Islam and Hanafi law marriage with a female of any age is permissible.

 

[loverofhumanity]

[Quran 6:112] We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.

And it goes on to say that only the the Words of the Koran are perfect.

It is he who hath sent down unto you the book of the Koran distinguishing between good and evil; and they to whom we gave the scripture know that it is sent down from thy LORD, with truth. Be not therefore one of those who doubt thereof. The words of thy LORD are perfect, in truth and justice; there is none who can change his words: he both heareth and knoweth. But if thou obey the greater part of them who are in the earth, they will lead thee aside from the path of GOD: they follow an uncertain opinion only, and speak nothing but lies; verily thy LORD well knoweth those who go astray from his path, and well knoweth those who are rightly directed.

 

[Audie]

And it goes on to say that only the the Words of the Koran are perfect.

I believe Muhammad was infallible, perfect, sinless and error free as was the Quran so I believe He acted justly, morally and rightly in every situation.

So which is it? Cant have both.

 

[Audie]

Do not forget Ayesha, Muhammad's six year old wife whom he deflowered later when she was 9. According to Islam and Hanafi law marriage with a female of any age is permissible.

Sick

 

[loverofhumanity]

It is not 'my view".
YOU made up the selfish motive.
YOU are the one who is incapable of answering
a simple question, presented how many times.
YOU are the one who presented that it is ok to kill
innocent non combatants.
YOU are the one who claims "mohammed" is
"perfect".
YOU are the one who said he set an example.

It is YOUR view.

It is the view of thousands and thousands and
thousands of islamic terrorists, and yet more who
support them.

BTW, re indirect support?
That is what you are doing.
YOU are giving indirect support to the
terrorists.

You think mohammed is perfect; so do they.
You think murderous attacks on non combatants
is groovy; so do they.

Those are the pillars on which terrorism stands.

And you want to put it on me, that I just
have a "view".

If you are not one who thinks he is also
perfect, and you are not utterly lost in
indoctrination, like a suicide bomber,
maybe you should think if this is really
the "view" you want to stick to!

I really appreciate your sincerity but as I said I believe in the infallibility and goodness of Prophet Muhammad and the Quran.

I believe many understand only too well that terrorists don’t represent any religion especially not the religion of peace, Islam. 1.7 billion Muslims live in peace because of the goodness taught by Muhammad and the Quran.

I wish you well and thank you for your kind words.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So which is it? Cant have both.

Both the Quran and Muhammad I believe are perfect, error free and infallible.

The first sentence was in reply to a post which contained Hadiths so I was comparing the Quran to Hadiths. And I pointed out that the Quran is the Word of God not Hadiths.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Do not forget Ayesha, Muhammad's six year old wife whom he deflowered later when she was 9. According to Islam and Hanafi law marriage with a female of any age is permissible.

Yeah. Good thing Our Christian ancestors of contemporary times weren't doing the exact same thing. Gosh, that'd be awkward, huh?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Raymann said: ↑
The war in Syria is a really complex one with many groups and countries fighting for different interests in play.

Within all the complexity of the Syrian war there is also ISIS in the mix.
The US didn't get in the civil war where Muslims are killing each other as they often do. There are multiple groups fighting against the government.
Who is right and who is wrong is arguably.
It is very clear to me and I repeat it that the US and its allies got in the war only because of ISIS and had nothing to do with the ongoing civil war.
Yes we all know the US and Russia have business interests in the civil war but that's another topic.

There was never any evidence of the weapons, the only evidence was that they had used them in the past, and that was a fact.
The logical deduction was that the weapons were there somewhere.
There are reports that in 2014 the weapons were found.
How reliable are these reports? I don't know.
Let me point out that I'm explaining the reasons the US used to attack Iraq, that doesn't mean that I personally agree with those reasons. Don't kill the messenger.

Iran destroyed it's chemical weapons in the '90s.

 

[Audie]

I really appreciate your sincerity but as I said I believe in the infallibility and goodness of Prophet Muhammad and the Quran.

I believe many understand only too well that terrorists don’t represent any religion especially not the religion of peace, Islam. 1.7 billion Muslims live in peace because of the goodness taught by Muhammad and the Quran.

I wish you well and thank you for your kind words.

Lets not have insincerity. My words are not kind, nor
intended to be.

Terrorists follow the (good, as you put it) example
set by the (infallible) mohammed. You simply
cannot credibly deny that.

It is hardly for you to say that they who follow his
precise example are not the "true" moslems esp
as you are not one yourself.

You who are not a moslem believe this or that,
those who are believe something else.

Neither of you has one fact to back you up. It is
just chosen belief. Neither is a bit more valid than
the other.

You know, in a peaceful religion, the extremists would
be extremely peaceful. The are extremely violent and cruel.

Actions speak louder than words.
"Religion of peace" is just words.

That most of its victims do not go out
with suicide bombs says nothing about
the religion itself being one of "peace".

 

[Audie]

Both the Quran and Muhammad I believe are perfect, error free and infallible.

The first sentence was in reply to a post which contained Hadiths so I was comparing the Quran to Hadiths. And I pointed out that the Quran is the Word of God not Hadiths.

this is just freaking insane.

do you know what the word ONLY means?

And it goes on to say that only the the Words of the Koran are perfect.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Do not forget Ayesha, Muhammad's six year old wife whom he deflowered later when she was 9. According to Islam and Hanafi law marriage with a female of any age is permissible.

There is so much false history on this subject, most likely put in place by the Christains to discredit Muhammad and the Quran, that Justice is now hard to find on this subject.

Quoting the most likely wrong information about Ayasha, is not Just and shows a weakness of arguement based on prejudices.

One must know what the Laws were in that age for marriage, as a Messenger of God lives by God given Laws until they reveal any new law.

As Muhammad was most likely practicing the Jewish Faith, it may be those laws that were followed by the Family.

One link to help;

Ancient Jewish Marriage | My Jewish Learning

Regards Tony

 

[Riders]

Then perhaps these:

"The Haredi burqa sect (Hebrew: נשות השָאלִים‎, translit. Neshót haShalím, lit. 'Shawl[-wearing] Women'), is a religious group within Haredi Judaism, primarily concentrated in Israel, which claims that modesty requires a burqa-style covering of a woman's entire body, a shal(plural shalim, "shawl"), including a veil covering the face. The garment, which looks more like a niqab than a burqa, is also called frumka, a play of the word frum (Yiddish for "devout") and "burqa". The group, which was estimated to number several hundred in 2011, is concentrated in the town of Beit Shemesh."

A member of the sect in Meah Shearim
Haredi burqa sect - Wikipedia

Right, please?

Regards

No I'm talking about the United Pentecostal church inc. Some of their rules differ from church to church. Some will say its ok for women to dye or perm their hair and or trim the hair as long as its still pretty long.

But some are so strict they cant wear any makeup though some will bend that rule to include foundation, no jewelry some will let the woman wear a wedding ring some dont,Some are so strict they're women have to wear long sleeves and no high hills no opened toed shoes.

Some dont allow them to style they're hair at all, they either wear it in a long braid flat with no teasing to the hair some will let them tease the hair as long as its in a bun or updo or pulled up. But no coloring or perming or trimming the hair.

So it varies from church to church.