Why is Islam so dangerous?

[Spirit of Light]

In what way can it only lead to more suffering for me?

Because you will never be finished with being angry at Muslims if you can not let the anger go. So as long you are frustrated or angry or "hate" them it will lead to mental suffering for you.

 

[Notanumber]

Because you will never be finished with being angry at Muslims if you can not let the anger go. So as long you are frustrated or angry or "hate" them it will lead to mental suffering for you.

Would that be the same mental suffering inflicted upon apostates?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Would that be the same mental suffering inflicted upon apostates?

If that person can not let go of the feelings toward example religion or people from a certain group, because he despises the way they live or think, yes in my view (of course I can be wrong about it) I think it can lead to suffering for the person who holds that kind of thought.

 

[charlie sc]

And lasty, You guys who are so against muslims way of living, calling them extremists and other hatefull words, Do you not see that you are also extremists and do exactly the same fault that some religious people do? Do you not see that the hate you sharing here can only lead to more suffering for you self?

I'm not sure about that. Islam is an incredibly aggressive ideology. It only makes sense that there will be extremist groups using this ideology to make someone suffer. I'd think it's more of an issue ignoring these facts.

 

[Sand Dancer]

The problem is that they believe in a false religion, created by a human being who was convinced by his wife and her cousin that he was a prophet.
This man took advantage of the situation and now 1.6 billion people believe in that lie. Most Muslims were born into the religion and had no other choice but to stay with it.
All you need to do is to read the Quran to realize this is the work of an evil man. It is misogynistic, oppressive toward women and toward men as well. It makes it difficult to get out and easy to get in. It promotes segregation when possible, etc, etc, etc.

All religions are false in that they are made by humans and require faith to continue. The Bible is more violent than the Quran though. Monotheism is a patriarchal and oppressive view, so the religions will follow. Thankfully, it's only a fundamentalist minority that grabs hold of a few verses and makes a whole theology based on it.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I'm not sure about that. Islam is an incredibly aggressive ideology. It only makes sense that there will be extremist groups using this ideology to make someone suffer. I'd think it's more of an issue ignoring these facts.

I do not ignore them, I do see the bad guys too, but I don't let them get to me, and they don't irritate me with their way of being.

 

[charlie sc]

I do not ignore them, I do see the bad guys too, but I don't let them get to me, and they don't irritate me with their way of being.

What if their way of being tries to force their way onto you?

 

[Spirit of Light]

What if their way of being tries to force their way onto you?

They can do whatever they like but they can not take away my religious view. And before someone ask If they kill me because they can not get to my mind that is how it can end, but I accept that because i would not let them break my religious view.
I might be called stupid for thinking this way, but i hold no fear toward them

 

[charlie sc]

They can do whatever they like but they can not take away my religious view. And before someone ask If they kill me because they can not get to my mind that is how it can end, but I accept that because i would not let them break my religious view.
I might be called stupid for thinking this way, but i hold no fear toward them

Fair enough, but not everyone can reduce or block fear as you can. To me, fearing their ideology is natural because it is not an enclosed belief. Their belief harshly judges others who are not like them. If anything, it's a hateful ideology to anyone not like them.

 

[Notanumber]

If that person can not let go of the feelings toward example religion or people from a certain group, because he despises the way they live or think, yes in my view (of course I can be wrong about it) I think it can lead to suffering for the person who holds that kind of thought.

From the link

The relatively few number of Muslims who dare to convert to Christianity do that in extreme secrecy. That is because the penalty for leaving Islam is death in all schools of Sharia, both Sunni and Shiite. Those who wrote Sharia centuries ago knew that keeping Muslims in total submission would be very difficult to maintain, and thus they established barbaric laws condemning Muslims to death for exercising their basic human rights to choose their religion. Sharia never entrusted its enforcement only to the formal legal system. Islam promises heavenly rewards to individual Muslims who take the law into their own hands. Sharia states that the killers of apostates and adulterers are not to be punished as murderers. That is why, for Islam to achieve 100% compliance to Sharia enforcement, Muslim individuals were told they must be Allah’s enforces of Sharia on earth if the government fails to do so. That is the reason honor killing and killing of apostates happen in the West.

The end result is a chaotic society where everything happens behind closed doors but at a very heavy price to Muslim society and interpersonal relationships. Fear and distrust of others exist in all Muslim society. Muslims are not just distrustful of the West, but they are distrustful of one another. People are often more afraid of their neighbors and family members than the police. Thus we see husbands or father pressured to apply Sharia by killing an adulterous wife or daughter, or a perfect stranger participate in killing of an apostate in the public square. Very few get arrested or punished for such crimes across the Muslim world. The ingenious Sharia uses vigilante street justice to bring about Islamic submission. That is why civil unrest, assassinations, coups, and honor crimes go where ever Islam goes. The power of Islam comes from turning Muslim against Muslim with a reward in heaven.



Should Muslims be turned against Muslims with the promise of a reward in heaven?



Former Muslims United | Apostasy from Islam

 

[Spirit of Light]

Fair enough, but not everyone can reduce or block fear as you can. To me, fearing their ideology is natural because it is not an enclosed belief. Their belief harshly judges others who are not like them. If anything, it's a hateful ideology to anyone not like them.

Yes some of them "the extremists" do hold a wrong view, that is something i see too. But if non Muslims think the same about Muslims are they not exactly the same extreme, just the other way? So my question would be, Why is it ok to be extreme one way but not the other way?
Best situation would of course be that nobody was extreme toward each other

 

[Spirit of Light]

From the link

The relatively few number of Muslims who dare to convert to Christianity do that in extreme secrecy. That is because the penalty for leaving Islam is death in all schools of Sharia, both Sunni and Shiite. Those who wrote Sharia centuries ago knew that keeping Muslims in total submission would be very difficult to maintain, and thus they established barbaric laws condemning Muslims to death for exercising their basic human rights to choose their religion. Sharia never entrusted its enforcement only to the formal legal system. Islam promises heavenly rewards to individual Muslims who take the law into their own hands. Sharia states that the killers of apostates and adulterers are not to be punished as murderers. That is why, for Islam to achieve 100% compliance to Sharia enforcement, Muslim individuals were told they must be Allah’s enforces of Sharia on earth if the government fails to do so. That is the reason honor killing and killing of apostates happen in the West.

The end result is a chaotic society where everything happens behind closed doors but at a very heavy price to Muslim society and interpersonal relationships. Fear and distrust of others exist in all Muslim society. Muslims are not just distrustful of the West, but they are distrustful of one another. People are often more afraid of their neighbors and family members than the police. Thus we see husbands or father pressured to apply Sharia by killing an adulterous wife or daughter, or a perfect stranger participate in killing of an apostate in the public square. Very few get arrested or punished for such crimes across the Muslim world. The ingenious Sharia uses vigilante street justice to bring about Islamic submission. That is why civil unrest, assassinations, coups, and honor crimes go where ever Islam goes. The power of Islam comes from turning Muslim against Muslim with a reward in heaven.



Should Muslims be turned against Muslims with the promise of a reward in heaven?



Former Muslims United | Apostasy from Islam

Of course, Sharia law is not the right way to treat people, this is not what i try to discuss with you. I am not for those who harm others, But in my understanding, Islam is so much more than the people who are for Sharia or those who perform terror.
Should we only focus on those who do evil? in my view, no we should focus on those who do good also within Islam. and show those who do evil that evil path is not a righteous path.

Right-wing people who hate islam or muslims seem to only see the negative about Islam, but there are millions of muslims who would never harm anyone. Why not start to focus on them, and let them get a better life too? Because it is not only people in the West who suffer because of terror, it is actually the people who are Good muslims who suffers too.

There is most always two sides of every case

 

[charlie sc]

Yes some of them "the extremists" do hold a wrong view, that is something i see too. But if non Muslims think the same about Muslims are they not exactly the same extreme, just the other way? So my question would be, Why is it ok to be extreme one way but not the other way?
Best situation would of course be that nobody was extreme toward each other

Extremism is, it seems, a derogatory term. So it wouldn't be used much for passivism, even though, thinking about it, it probably could be. I suppose they're called extremist because they do extreme things, so things not only out of the norm but to excess. I doubt they'd call themselves extremists, because I doubt anyone with grandiose beliefs whom also does harm thinks they are malicious in the first place. They can justify their views and actions with ease. The main difference here is that we're judging the ideology first, and if need be, the people. They're doing the opposite, they're judging the person first. This is why there are so many extremists in Islam and why they resort to violence first and foremost.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Extremism is, it seems, a derogatory term. So it wouldn't be used much for passivism, even though, thinking about it, it probably could be. I suppose they're called extremist because they do extreme things, so things not only out of the norm but to excess. I doubt they'd call themselves extremists, because I doubt anyone with grandiose beliefs whom also does harm thinks they are malicious in the first place. They can justify their views and actions with ease. The main difference here is that we're judging the ideology first, and if need be, the people. They're doing the opposite, they're judging the person first. This is why there are so many extremists in Islam and why they resort to violence first and foremost.

I don`t disagree with you on this

 

[Notanumber]

Of course, Sharia law is not the right way to treat people, this is not what i try to discuss with you. I am not for those who harm others, But in my understanding, Islam is so much more than the people who are for Sharia or those who perform terror.
Should we only focus on those who do evil? in my view, no we should focus on those who do good also within Islam. and show those who do evil that evil path is not a righteous path.

Right-wing people who hate islam or muslims seem to only see the negative about Islam, but there are millions of muslims who would never harm anyone. Why not start to focus on them, and let them get a better life too? Because it is not only people in the West who suffer because of terror, it is actually the people who are Good muslims who suffers too.

There is most always two sides of every case

Is apostasy from Islam acceptable by the Islamic ideology?

Should Sharia law be altered to reflect this much-needed change?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Is apostasy from Islam acceptable by the Islamic ideology?

Should Sharia law be altered to reflect this much-needed change?

I know personally people who left islam without trouble but if you ask if IS accept it, then no they dont.and that is wrong view of them.
Sharia is in my view not right way to rule. But i dont condem islam

 

[Notanumber]

I know personally people who left islam without trouble but if you ask if IS accept it, then no they dont.and that is wrong view of them.
Sharia is in my view not right way to rule. But i dont condem islam

Would a normal religion drive a man to threaten to kill his apostate daughter in the UK?

The ex-Muslim Britons who are persecuted for being atheists

Ahmadiyya Muslims are a minority in Islam in saying that there should be no punishment in this life for apostasy and they emphasise that there should be no compulsion in religion. They are themselves regarded as heretics by some Sunni sects and persecuted in Pakistan.

If Ahmadiyya Muslims were the majority, Islam would be held in higher esteem.

When a left wing organisation such as the BBC produces a report on apostasy, you know it is a major concern.

 

[sooda]

What if their way of being tries to force their way onto you?

Who has tried to force you?

 

[sooda]

From the link

The relatively few number of Muslims who dare to convert to Christianity do that in extreme secrecy. That is because the penalty for leaving Islam is death in all schools of Sharia, both Sunni and Shiite. Those who wrote Sharia centuries ago knew that keeping Muslims in total submission would be very difficult to maintain, and thus they established barbaric laws condemning Muslims to death for exercising their basic human rights to choose their religion. Sharia never entrusted its enforcement only to the formal legal system. Islam promises heavenly rewards to individual Muslims who take the law into their own hands. Sharia states that the killers of apostates and adulterers are not to be punished as murderers. That is why, for Islam to achieve 100% compliance to Sharia enforcement, Muslim individuals were told they must be Allah’s enforces of Sharia on earth if the government fails to do so. That is the reason honor killing and killing of apostates happen in the West.

The end result is a chaotic society where everything happens behind closed doors but at a very heavy price to Muslim society and interpersonal relationships. Fear and distrust of others exist in all Muslim society. Muslims are not just distrustful of the West, but they are distrustful of one another. People are often more afraid of their neighbors and family members than the police. Thus we see husbands or father pressured to apply Sharia by killing an adulterous wife or daughter, or a perfect stranger participate in killing of an apostate in the public square. Very few get arrested or punished for such crimes across the Muslim world. The ingenious Sharia uses vigilante street justice to bring about Islamic submission. That is why civil unrest, assassinations, coups, and honor crimes go where ever Islam goes. The power of Islam comes from turning Muslim against Muslim with a reward in heaven.



Should Muslims be turned against Muslims with the promise of a reward in heaven?



Former Muslims United | Apostasy from Islam

Baloney.

 

[charlie sc]

Who has tried to force you?

No one.