Why is it hard for "white people" to acknowledge racism from other white people?

[Epic Beard Man]

I really think this is a strawman. As a white man I don't feel uncomfortable discussing racism here, there or anywhere.

As I said earlier, I acknowledge that it exists. What I'm challenging you on is my inference that you are suggesting a solution via identity politics, and I simply disagree with that approach. Should we fight racism? Of course! Should we use identity politics? I don't think so.

The theoretical solution to rid ourselves of racism is simply a generational "die out" I believe post-millenials and beyond will probably find ways to look beyond pigmentation and create a more "liberal" system of governance for all people. I assure you, you and I will not experience that reality in our lifetime. Until then racism ought to be addressed, and continually discussed it and create avenues to circumvent hate groups.

 

[Revoltingest]

The theoretical solution to rid ourselves of racism is simply a generational "die out" I believe post-millenials and beyond will probably find ways to look beyond pigmentation and create a more "liberal" system of governance for all people. I assure you, you and I will not experience that reality in our lifetime. Until then racism ought to be addressed, and continually discussed it and create avenues to circumvent hate groups.

So....you've been discussing how terrible things are for black folk (& for you), & how racist
we white folk are. What good has it done to tell us about how we caused your victimhood?
Instead, it seems that we're just becoming inured to your complaining about it.

 

[Father]

The theoretical solution to rid ourselves of racism is simply a generational "die out" I believe post-millenials and beyond will probably find ways to look beyond pigmentation and create a more "liberal" system of governance for all people. I assure you, you and I will not experience that reality in our lifetime. Until then racism ought to be addressed, and continually discussed it and create avenues to circumvent hate groups.

you're just wrong on that. Racism is not unique to any culture/country/race/religion/generation. it's a natural human condition. it has already been scientifically proven as such. and is within animals as well. though to a slightly different extent. crows, for example, make fun and mock albino crows for being different. refusing to breed with them.
Monkeys discriminate based on tribe. which humans still do with the original idea of race. nationality.
Humans, for the most part. part in like kind. like appearance. like ideals. like religion. and many more factor's
but they do part in race. humans naturally trust those more similar to themselves. and untrust those who are different. this being a survival mechanism. so simply a generation die out will do nothing. look to some social justice groups. ive seen many blacks discriminate against other blacks for being a slightly lighter shade. that's racism. it is naturally occurring and unchangeable.

the best we can do is simply put in Legal Equality. and then give slight nudges socially speaking but it cant be forced. if forced it simply creates more division and issue.
trying to completely change human nature is impossible. this is the best we can do

 

[Epic Beard Man]

also evidence of this "systemic racism" not pulling up ancient history that no longer applies. I want actual evidence from this decade.

What is "ancient history?" Oh those links? Those were in my parents time, I'm 35 so it was not that long ago....I believed I've been proving my point you just don't agree......That is find that is "typical"

 

[Epic Beard Man]

So....you've been discussing how terrible things are for black folk (& for you), & how racist
we white folk are. What good has it done to tell us about how we caused your victimhood?
Instead, it seems that we're just becoming inured to your complaining about it.

Don't put words in my mouth. I don't know you nor have I met you so I have no placed any judgment on you. Again the problem with reading comprehension is your interjecting yourself as if I'm speaking to you. That is the problem with this type of discussion. You are reading to respond instead of understanding a position different than yours. The response here has proven my point. Deflect, deflect, deflect.

 

[Revoltingest]

Don't put words in my mouth. I don't know you nor have I met you so I have no placed any judgment on you. Again the problem with reading comprehension is your interjecting yourself as if I'm speaking to you. That is the problem with this type of discussion. You are reading to respond instead of understanding a position different than yours. The response here has proven my point. Deflect, deflect, deflect.

Seems that no matter what anyone posts, you're determined
to see it all as proving your point (not sure what it is though).

 

[Father]

What is "ancient history?" Oh those links? Those were in my parents time, I'm 35 so it was not that long ago....I believed I've been proving my point you just don't agree......That is find that is "typical"

if racism was aflame today's "systemic racism" is smaller than a candle fire.
there is some racism still existant however thats normal. it can never be fully put out, its human nature. Legal racism no longer exists other than BS drug laws.
as for proving a point you only offer ancient laws and anecdotes of "ive been racially discriminated against" i countered "so have i" your feeling dont mean anything. nor your ideas unless you can prove some organized architecture of it. but you denied that when i first commented you simply have some vague enigmatic force of "systemic racism" granted i am not on my A game at dispelling today,

 

[Epic Beard Man]

and you benefit from things I cant. I have fewer odds of getting accepted by food stamps or Medicare even if I was poorer. along with scholarships and many handouts and lowering of the bar due to racial programs.
"does not represent 44 million" that's an antidote you cant speak for all 44 million of them. I would like to see where you pulled that number from. as i am pretty sure that's a strawman

Now you're resulting to attacks. As a person that is making 70k a year I don't qualify for food stamps and Medicare as I have a salary job and I have insurance through my job. In the state of California if you make less than $20k (I believe plus or minus) you most certainly can qualify for "food stamps." BTW you're white and statistically there are more whites on food stamps so I hardly find you being white and unable to get food stamps a problem. As far you alluding to affirmative action, well if you were a white woman (who are the most in receiving affirmative action benefits) you'd probably get benefits. But you can receive benefits. But again you're pulling sh*t out of you a** and also sounding like someone who isn't on my academic level at this point. Also the 44 million I was talking about was the entire African-American population in the United States.

Edit: I was off a few million the total AA population is 46.3 million.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Seems that no matter what anyone posts, you're determined
to see it all as proving your point (not sure what it is though).

No we can all discuss but I'm responding to the insults and the bias all at the same time. I'm also explaining my position quite meticulously, it's just that you guess are presuming instead of reading my position. This discussion is amounting to me having to explain, explain and explain without anyone reading a damn paragraph I write. It is a good thing work is slow.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

you're just wrong on that. Racism is not unique to any culture/country/race/religion/generation. it's a natural human condition. it has already been scientifically proven as such. and is within animals as well. though to a slightly different extent. crows, for example, make fun and mock albino crows for being different. refusing to breed with them.
Monkeys discriminate based on tribe. which humans still do with the original idea of race. nationality.
Humans, for the most part. part in like kind. like appearance. like ideals. like religion. and many more factor's
but they do part in race. humans naturally trust those more similar to themselves. and untrust those who are different. this being a survival mechanism. so simply a generation die out will do nothing. look to some social justice groups. ive seen many blacks discriminate against other blacks for being a slightly lighter shade. that's racism. it is naturally occurring and unchangeable.

the best we can do is simply put in Legal Equality. and then give slight nudges socially speaking but it cant be forced. if forced it simply creates more division and issue.
trying to completely change human nature is impossible. this is the best we can do

Racism is not natural. That is a bogus assumption based on no scientific fact. Tribalism exists but racism is a developmental construct that exists within a system that is meant to benefit one ethnic demographic.

 

[Revoltingest]

No we can all discuss but I'm responding to the insults and the bias all at the same time. I'm also explaining my position quite meticulously, it's just that you guess are presuming instead of reading my position. This discussion is amounting to me having to explain, explain and explain without anyone reading a damn paragraph I write. It is a good thing work is slow.

I do the best I can with the limited brain power I wield.
But I see only rambling complaining about white racism.
Also, your presumption that you see a clearer picture
than white folk bespeaks hubris & prejudice.
There's nothing to address....so it isn't really a discussion.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

if racism was aflame today's "systemic racism" is smaller than a candle fire.
there is some racism still existant however thats normal. it can never be fully put out, its human nature. Legal racism no longer exists other than BS drug laws.
as for proving a point you only offer ancient laws and anecdotes of "ive been racially discriminated against" i countered "so have i" your feeling dont mean anything. nor your ideas unless you can prove some organized architecture of it. but you denied that when i first commented you simply have some vague enigmatic force of "systemic racism" granted i am not on my A game at dispelling today,

Instead of assumptions the burden of proof is on you to prove to me that systemic racism is not evident today I suggest you read this and try to contradict this:

Understanding Systemic Racism

 

[Father]

Racism is not natural. That is a bogus assumption based on no scientific fact. Tribalism exists but racism is a developmental construct that exists within a system that is meant to benefit one ethnic demographic.

race plays into tribalism. which is based on fact. all of human history as evidence. our current idea of race is a construct. race for 10s of 1000s of years was your nationality. however discrimination of racial difference while our current concept of race is new. has always existed.

the fact that is it can reasonably be made even without scientific evidence "even though there is" just by looking at the fact it exists within many cultures and societies. of major racial and geographical difference.

 

[Father]

Instead of assumptions the burden of proof is on you to prove to me that systemic racism is not evident today I suggest you read this and try to contradict this:

Understanding Systemic Racism

actually no. your ideas are of the minority. therefore it falls on you. society does not need to disprove your claims to not bend the knee.
if your ideals were the majority than it would fall to me

 

[Father]

Instead of assumptions the burden of proof is on you to prove to me that systemic racism is not evident today I suggest you read this and try to contradict this:

Understanding Systemic Racism

though let me place my interesting link in here HISTORY OF SLAVERY

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I do the best I can with the limited brain power I wield.
But I see only rambling complaining about white racism.
Also, your presumption that you see a clearer picture
than white folk bespeaks hubris & prejudice.
There's nothing to address....so it isn't really a discussion.

The problem I have with these discussions is your response is as if I'm actually saying it. For example in your last post you said:

"
So....you've been discussing how terrible things are for black folk (& for you), & how racist
we white folk are. What good has it done to tell us about how we caused your victimhood?
Instead, it seems that we're just becoming inured to your complaining about it."

I never said white folks are terrible, your interjecting that without even having a discussion with me about the subject at hand. If all you've perceived from this entire thread is me "rambling" you're more than welcome to not participate in the discussion.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

actually no. your ideas are of the minority. therefore it falls on you. society does not need to disprove your claims to not bend the knee.
if your ideals were the majority than it would fall to me

Um, my ideas are not of the minority. There are plenty people of color that argue the position of systemic racism, that is why groups like "Black Lives Matter" and "Antifa" exists. This is why we have groups like Civil Rights Constituency groups that exists and other organizations like "RAZA" that represents people of Latin American/Latino descent. That is why we have HBCU's etc. The existence of organizations based on ethnic cultures exists because of systemic racism.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

though let me place my interesting link in here HISTORY OF SLAVERY

What does slavery have to do with this discussion? I never mentioned nor alluded to slavery.

 

[Father]

Um, my ideas are not of the minority. There are plenty people of color that argue the position of systemic racism, that is why groups like "Black Lives Matter" and "Antifa" exists. This is why we have groups like Civil Rights Constituency groups that exists and other organizations like "RAZA" that represents people of Latin American/Latino descent. That is why we have HBCU's etc. The existence of organizations based on ethnic cultures exists because of systemic racism.

BLM while once having just motive has become a laughable group that can be dismissed at this point.
Antifa is just a terrorist militia pushing their ideology under the guise of fighting some vague threat also
a few people of color. I know many who argue against it.who are of color. by know I mean I can link their video channels.
it's a small percent who buy into your ideas. small enough that it requires much evidence to take seriously.

and no they exist due to different causes. Antifa due to the propagation of social justice, BLM due to a police shooting. which in and of themselves are rare and normally provoked or easily explainable. so their largest pillar has eroded. and who are there main backers now? billionaire football players who take a knee? get real no one takes them seriously. at least anyone not running for democratic election.

RAZA i know nothing about though good to see that they have a group too, though it has even less justification when they can't even control their own cartels and want to complain about how my people run my government

 

[Father]

What does slavery have to do with this discussion? I never mentioned nor alluded to slavery.

just giving you perspective that slavery didn't spawn into existence anytime recently and is even older than European civilization