Why is it ok for USA

[rocala]

I sense great acceptance for our invading & crushing Iran.
And to what end?

In the early part of this century, I as a serving member of the British armed forces, had to attend an intelligence briefing on the possibility of war with Iran.

The int guys did as they were told and delivered the brief. However, reading between the lines, it was obvious to all that they were saying that this would be an unjustifiable bloodbath.

It has been brewing for a long time and I am far from optimistic. May sense prevail.

 

[sayak83]

Why is it ok for USA to have nuclear weapons but they tell everyone else it is not ok?
Example with Iran, Why can USA keep their weapons but Iran can become nuked by USA if they do not get rid of their nuclear weapon? where is the logic?

So that US can dominate others? Obviously.

 

[sooda]

Is it? It is Trump who all the time now say threats toward Iran, As far as know from media, Iran has only defended their own country from USA spying on them. If i am correct that is something Iran is in title to, (of course, as long the drone was within their territory

Iran fights asymmetrical warfare like some buzzing pests. They have attacked shipping in the Persian Gulf and Red Sea repeatedly and along with Syria were behind the murder of Rafic Hariri.

Just enough to claim they are "victims" of the US or Saudi Arabia or Israel.

This crap about the Great Satan is their narrative for domestic consumption.

While I like Iranians, their government and the Revolutionary Guard are dangerously nuts.

Future Center - The StraitContaining Threats in Bab al-Mandab
https://futureuae.com/en/Mainpage/Item/4083/the-strait-containing-threats-in-bab-al-mandab
Currently Bab al-Mandab is witnessing an unprecedented escalation of threats endangering the global trade movement passing through the strait. The technological advancement associated with naval mines emerges as an effective tool in flaring up this threat.

 

[sooda]

Where did I say that? I was pointing out that conflicts would still be going on regardless of US intervention or not.

FYI I'm a strict defensive war proponent.

Really? Would you excuse Iran's closing of the Strait of Hormuz or the Bab al Mandab?

Remember Operation Praying Mantis in 1988?

Do the Europeans and the US have a vested interest in keeping the Persian Gulf and Red Sea open to shipping?

 

[leov]

US is wise and kind? Yes people in Amerika is good, But not the politicians, they are rotten as hell (just like in most other countries)

I am just being sarcastic. I agree with you.

 

[Spirit of Light]

So that US can dominate others? Obviously.

It does seem that way yes.
When i read the post i answer on in this thread i actually start to worry a bit that I can offend American people, and that is not my intention. But i do find American military to be to aggressive

 

[sooda]

It does seem that way yes.
When i read the post i answer on in this thread i actually start to worry a bit that I can offend American people, and that is not my intention. But i do find American military to be to aggressive

You are ignoring the facts.

 

[Flame]

Really? Would you excuse Iran's closing of the Strait of Hormuz or the Bab al Mandab?

Iran is closing the Strait than its up to their neighbors to deal with it, not a country nearly 7000 miles away.

Remember Operation Praying Mantis in 1988?

If I had my way US ships wouldn't have been involved to begin with or in that part of world.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Iran fights asymmetrical warfare like some buzzing pests. They have attacked shipping in the Persian Gulf and Red Sea repeatedly and along with Syria were behind the murder of Rafic Hariri.

Just enough to claim they are "victims" of the US or Saudi Arabia or Israel.

This crap about the Great Satan is their narrative for domestic consumption.

While I like Iranians, their government and the Revolutionary Guard are dangerously nuts.

Future Center - The StraitContaining Threats in Bab al-Mandab
https://futureuae.com/en/Mainpage/Item/4083/the-strait-containing-threats-in-bab-al-mandab
Currently Bab al-Mandab is witnessing an unprecedented escalation of threats endangering the global trade movement passing through the strait. The technological advancement associated with naval mines emerges as an effective tool in flaring up this threat.

I have not seen evidence of Iran attacking Ships in the last years, But they might have done that before without i knowing of course.
when last weeks attack happened, I felt the USA was to fast to conclude it was Iran who was behind it. The video they used to "prove" it was Iran was not much of evidence.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You are ignoring the facts.

Facts that Trump give or the facts that different countries find that America do?
Fox news as Trump use a lot as proves cant be trusted in my view. Now even Tucker Carsen has been proven to help Trump, instead of his own Governmental advisors.

 

[sooda]

I have not seen evidence of Iran attacking Ships in the last years, But they might have done that before without i knowing of course.
when last weeks attack happened, I felt the USA was to fast to conclude it was Iran who was behind it. The video they used to "prove" it was Iran was not much of evidence.

They have attacked tankers several times sine 2014 in the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea. Why don't you READ the links I posted?

Do the Europeans, Japanese, Chinese and Americans have a vested interest in keeping the shipping lanes open?

 

[sooda]

Facts that Trump give or the facts that different countries find that America do?
Fox news as Trump use a lot as proves cant be trusted in my view. Now even Tucker Carsen has been proven to help Trump, instead of his own Governmental advisors.

Forget Trump...….. He's an idiot.

‘Bab Al Mandab attack threatens international security’
https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/yemen/bab-al-mandab-attack-threatens-international...
The vessel, an Australian-built high speed logistics catamaran under lease to the United Arab Emirates military, was attacked by Al Houthi fighters near the Bab Al Mandab strait off Yemen’s ...

Gulf tanker attack puts Trump in a bind on Iran - analysis ...
https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Tanker-attack-puts-Trump-in-a-bind-on-Iran-analysis...
Gulf tanker attack puts Trump in a bind on Iran - analysis ... In addition, Iranian social media accounts have pushed a 2017 video of a Houthi attack on a Saudi ship as if it is the June 13 attack.

 

[sooda]

Facts that Trump give or the facts that different countries find that America do?
Fox news as Trump use a lot as proves cant be trusted in my view. Now even Tucker Carsen has been proven to help Trump, instead of his own Governmental advisors.

Forget Fox news...….

 

[Spirit of Light]

They have attacked tankers several times sine 2014 in the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea. Why don't you READ the links I posted?

Do the Europeans, Japanese, Chinese and Americans have a vested interest in keeping the shipping lanes open?

Of course they want to have the shipping lanes open, But the strange thing is that when a ship get attacked, the oil prices go up. and it is not Iran oil that they carry. one can wonder if someone else is behind (i do not have evidence of that yet)
But what has Iran to win by attacking those ships? probably nothing, because they know America will attack them sooner or later.
And yes i do know Iran is a bad country, I have friends who live there and they say it is bad. But when was last time Iran went to war against another country?

 

[dianaiad]

Why is it ok for USA to have nuclear weapons but they tell everyone else it is not ok?
Example with Iran, Why can USA keep their weapons but Iran can become nuked by USA if they do not get rid of their nuclear weapon? where is the logic?

Easy.

WE have proven that we won't use them even when under considerable stress from others (Cuban missile crises, anybody?) Our having them has prevented other major nations from having them.

Yes, we used two of them when they were first developed and we didn't have a real idea of what those things would do, but even then the use saved a bunch more lives than they took. Japan WOULD NOT have surrendered with any lesser action. Hundreds of thousands of OUR soldiers would have died to prove that, and Japan would have been utterly wiped off the map. Japan...had, and still has, a warrior culture that 'to the last man, woman and toddler" was an absolute. It's one of the most admirable things about them, when they aren't targeting US, that is.

Iran...and other nations which support terrorism, would. Any group which supports actions like 9/11 and the other terrorist acts absolutely would use them. That's pretty obvious. It's also VERY obvious who would get targeted by anybody like Iran..(and other nations which support terrorism). Self defense is a strong motive.

But finally, we can say that because we got them first, we have the power, and we don't want little dictatorships who hate us to have the ability to attack us with them. Because they would.

My opinion, but I've been around awhile, and I don't have a good opinion of human nature.

 

[BSM1]

Might makes right.

It's just like when we shot down their airliner killing 290 civilians.
They didn't send bombers over here to kill in retaliation.
But they shoot down an unmanned drone in their airspace,
& Trump authorized laying waste to their country.
We matter. They don't. Life has no value there.

Have to differ here. Unless you know something we don't, Trump never authorized the destruction of Iran. As a matter of fact, it seems he called off an airstrike because 150 Iranis would have been killed. Have I missed something?

 

[sooda]

Of course they want to have the shipping lanes open, But the strange thing is that when a ship get attacked, the oil prices go up. and it is not Iran oil that they carry. one can wonder if someone else is behind (i do not have evidence of that yet)
But what has Iran to win by attacking those ships? probably nothing, because they know America will attack them sooner or later.
And yes i do know Iran is a bad country, I have friends who live there and they say it is bad. But when was last time Iran went to war against another country?

Iran doesn't go to war.. They sneak around and fund HAMAS, Hezbollah and the Al Houthis while protesting their innocence.

 

[sooda]

Easy.

WE have proven that we won't use them even when under considerable stress from others (Cuban missile crises, anybody?) Our having them has prevented other major nations from having them.

Yes, we used two of them when they were first developed and we didn't have a real idea of what those things would do, but even then the use saved a bunch more lives than they took. Japan WOULD NOT have surrendered with any lesser action. Hundreds of thousands of OUR soldiers would have died to prove that, and Japan would have been utterly wiped off the map. Japan...had, and still has, a warrior culture that 'to the last man, woman and toddler" was an absolute. It's one of the most admirable things about them, when they aren't targeting US, that is.

Iran...and other nations which support terrorism, would. Any group which supports actions like 9/11 and the other terrorist acts absolutely would use them. That's pretty obvious. It's also VERY obvious who would get targeted by anybody like Iran..(and other nations which support terrorism). Self defense is a strong motive.

But finally, we can say that because we got them first, we have the power, and we don't want little dictatorships who hate us to have the ability to attack us with them. Because they would.

My opinion, but I've been around awhile, and I don't have a good opinion of human nature.

There were NO state actors in 9-11.

 

[leov]

They have attacked tankers several times sine 2014 in the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea. Why don't you READ the links I posted?

Do the Europeans, Japanese, Chinese and Americans have a vested interest in keeping the shipping lanes open?

 

[sooda]

Might makes right.

It's just like when we shot down their airliner killing 290 civilians.
They didn't send bombers over here to kill in retaliation.
But they shoot down an unmanned drone in their airspace,
& Trump authorized laying waste to their country.
We matter. They don't. Life has no value there.

1988

As far as the official American story goes, the crew of the U.S.S. Vincennes mistook the radar signature of the airliner (which was flying directly toward the ship) as the signature of an approaching Iranian f-14 fighter.

Earlier in the day a helecopter from the ship had taken fire from Iranian vessels, and the Vincennes pursued them into Iranian waters to fire upon the vessels.

Flight 655 approached the Vincennes shortly after this gunfight. Fearing a retaliatory strike by what he believed to be an Iranian warplane, the captain of the Vincennes ordered the ship to open fire.

When the US shot down an Iranian airliner - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-44614512/when-the-us-shot-down-an-iranian-airliner
When the US shot down an Iranian airliner. On 3 July 1988, a sophisticated US Navy warship, the USS Vincennes, shot down an Iranian civilian airliner flying over the Persian Gulf.

All 290 on board the aircraft were killed, among them 66 children. Rudy Pahoyo was a Navy Combat Cameraman who was filming on board the USS Vincennes that day.