Why is it ok for USA

[Revoltingest]

Doesn't change anything with regard to Iran.

Could you clarify what it is you think shouldn't change?

 

[sooda]

Could you clarify what it is you think shouldn't change?

Just because Trump and Bolton are chicken hawks doesn't change the truth about Iran.

 

[The Hammer]

Why is it ok for USA to have nuclear weapons but they tell everyone else it is not ok?
Example with Iran, Why can USA keep their weapons but Iran can become nuked by USA if they do not get rid of their nuclear weapon? where is the logic?

It's called nuclear deterrence. No one else can have them (that aren't allies), and since we still have them most will be too scared to attack us for fear of nuclear retaliation.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It's called nuclear deterrence. No one else can have them (that aren't allies), and since we still have them most will be too scared to attack us for fear of nuclear retaliation.

I do understand your view, But i think actually it is the other way around, America is really afraid of getting attacked again. So they try to denuclearize everyone else and then only America would be allowed to have Nuclear weapons.

But the best for our planet would be if everyone destroyed their nuclear weapons

 

[Revoltingest]

Just because Trump and Bolton are chicken hawks doesn't change the truth about Iran.

Our problem isn't that they didn't serve in the military.
Dubya did, & he got us into useless wars too.

What are you advocating we do with Iran?

 

[The Hammer]

I do understand your view, But i think actually it is the other way around, America is really afraid of getting attacked again. So they try to denuclearize everyone else and then only America would be allowed to have Nuclear weapons.

But the best for our planet would be if everyone destroyed their nuclear weapons

I don't disagree, this is just what we were taught while I served in the military. It's all about deterring others from attacking us. And keeping powerful weapons out of untested (see untrustworthy) hands (Iran/Iraq/NK).

 

[Kenny]

Nobody is the world police. or world military.

At the expense of???

 

[sooda]

Our problem isn't that they didn't serve in the military.
Dubya did, & he got us into useless wars too.

What are you advocating we do with Iran?

Talk to them... and put them on notice that their interests must lie with preserving peaceful passage in the Red Sea and Persian Gulf.

I would also make it clear to them that we expect them to dismantle HAMAS, al Houthis and Hezbollah.

 

[Revoltingest]

But the best for our planet would be if everyone destroyed their nuclear weapons

That's not going to happen.
The most we can hope for is policies which....
1) Discourage their use.
2) Reduce the perceived need to have them.

So far, USA policy is weak on #1, & utterly counterproductive on #2.
Note that the Pentagon has developed & discussed using tactical nukes.
(At least artillery delivered systems turned out to be impractical.
Otherwise we might've used them in Korea.)

 

[Spirit of Light]

I don't disagree, this is just what we were taught while I served in the military. It's all about deterring others from attacking us. And keeping powerful weapons out of untested (see untrustworthy) hands (Iran/Iraq/NK).

Would you say the American military is indoctrinating the soldiers to be more fearful of other nations?
Especially from the middle east?

 

[Augustus]

At their request... no "invasion".

I didn't suggest otherwise...

 

[Spirit of Light]

At the expense of???

We are all human beings, why the extreme fear of other human beings?
We do not need world police or military, what we need is to work together to get peace.

 

[Spirit of Light]

That's not going to happen.
The most we can hope for is policies which....
1) Discourage their use.
2) Reduce the perceived need to have them.

So far, USA policy is weak on #1, & utterly counterproductive on #2.
Note that the Pentagon has developed & discussed using tactical nukes.
(At least artillery delivered systems turned out to be impractical.
Otherwise we might've used them in Korea.)

I dont know, but i think if America decides to use nuclear weapons anywhere in the world, that will be the start of WW3

 

[Revoltingest]

Talk to them... and put them on notice that their interests must lie with preserving peaceful passage in the Red Sea and Persian Gulf.

I would also make it clear to them that we expect them to dismantle HAMAS, al Houthis and Hezbollah.

If they cooperate in this way, yet still endure US attacks, military, covert, electronic,
& economic, what other recourse do they have dealing with an implacable foe?

 

[sooda]

If they cooperate in this way, yet still endure US attacks, military, covert, electronic,
& economic, what other recourse do they have dealing with an implacable foe?

When did the US attack Iran?

 

[Revoltingest]

I dont know, but i think if America decides to use nuclear weapons anywhere in the world, that will be the start of WW3

The other risk is that is that if some country uses nukes either accidentally
or due to perception of an existential threat, the result is the same.
We must not only avoid their use, we must also avoid incentivizing other
countries to gain or use them. As things are today, Iran should be expected
to see nuclear weapons as their only effective defense against USA's past,
current & future actions. I'm sure they notice that N Korea, another enemy,
gets the red carpet treatment solely because they have deliverable nukes.

 

[Revoltingest]

When did the US attack Iran?

1953 coup.
Proxy war using Iraq (including WMDs from us).
Stuxnet virus.
Supporting Israeli assassination of Iranian tech types.
Various economic attacks.

 

[sooda]

1953 coup.
Proxy war using Iraq (including WMDs from us).
Stuxnet virus.
Supporting Israeli assassination of Iranian tech types.
Various economic attacks.

LOLOL.. That was over 70 years ago. Heck I was in Iran in 1953 … and many, many times in the 1960s and early 1970s.

 

[The Hammer]

Would you say the American military is indoctrinating the soldiers to be more fearful of other nations?
Especially from the middle east?

No. But the goal of any military is to indoctrinate soldiers into a set of ideals (that's part of the hell of war, you're not an individual), but not to hate a specific group of people, not in my experience. And those that did hold those views, came to them of their own volition, not through training.

This xenophobic fear of other countries in places in the US has more to do with politics, and fundamentalists of all stripes, not soldiers.

 

[Revoltingest]

LOLOL.. That was over 70 years ago. Heck I was in Iran in 1953 … and many, many times in the 1960s and early 1970s.

You find overthrow of a democratically elected government funny?'
That has repercussions which we still face today, eg, the theocratic takeover.
And that was just the first item in the list.
Your having been there doesn't add justification for US attacks upon Iran.
Btw, were you there during the Iraq war?
Hundreds of thousands of people died.
What is your opinion of our fomenting & supporting that?
How do you think Iranians feel about it.