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Why Is Only Earth Carrying Life?

arthurchappell

writer, poet, historian,
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Because the universe is not about us, it's about God.
John Piper said "the universe is like a peanut God carries around in His pocket" it is for the glory of God

The Point of Creation

In all the exoplanets seen there are only about 2 outside of earth in the running as possible life supporting (and that might be overly generous and speculative)

yes, scripture suggests the creation is for a chosen few people(s) on Earth, while Star Trek 4 suggests it is for aliens who enjoy whale song. If created for a purpose though why not use much more of it to that end? It's like all the excess packaging on candy bars. So much wasted opportunity. Like owning a hundred room mansion but never using 99 of the rooms. God may be arrogant and selfish enough to treat us as his to do with as he wishes, and we would be powerless to stop him just crushing us, but the point of this kind of discussion is to try to crack answers and find things out.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Why would God only put life on one of the planets at least in our solar system? Most worlds are undoubtedly just lumps or rock, ice and gas. Why would God not create other species and peoples for those? It seems a terribly wasted opportunity. Even if we find some life on more distant stars, it is clear that the bulk of the universe is devoid of life. Without God that is easy to grasp why, but with a God, it would seem that creation experimentation would be carried out elsewhere.
If abiogenesis is true; then we should see life popping up elsewhere in the universe since there are so many stars and so many planets.

Secondly, God doesn't necessarily have a reason or need to make life elsewhere.

Thirdly, the universe remains largely unexplored and we can't rule out the possibility of life elsewhere either way.
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Now this moves into a beyond our ken / God(s) work in mysterious ways stance - it may be that the universe never reveals all its secrets to science, but much of the response here is simply stretching imagination to extreme what if territory. What if we are all made of custard? No, says B, we are all butterflies, c says .... atheists would agree God isn't a being at all, It turns the debate into one of those conversations with a child who just says why? to every reply until the educator and replier gets fed up and shuts down the conversation.

It's not the "extreme what if" situation, but rather another valid possibility. :D Basically, you have to only accept the premises that existence came from non-existence. That currently is something that science basically doesn't deny at this point as that seems to be the case via our collected data. All it really says is, "something came from nothing", science agrees and most ardent Atheists agree as well.

The other commentary is speculation, not really my beliefs... Just something to ponder... But, none of it flies in the face of any evidence. However, I am not a materialist, so YMMV.
 

arthurchappell

writer, poet, historian,
I disagree... The moon was an imagination 1000 years ago. Airplane flying was a dream 150 years ago. Space was a dream 90 years ago. Landing on the moon was a thought just 75 years ago. Nano-technology started just 40 years ago. Exponentially, knowledge is increasing.

Lasers as weapons by 2023..

I think God did see beyond our today and thus there a billions of galaxies with billions of stars in each galaxy and it is growing.

But, since we are talking about the future, you can't prove me wrong and I can't prove you wrong either. We are in a position opinions


not ruling out intersteller technology and flight by us, though adly not in my time or likely through Trump's ludicrous Space Force, - God could still play with other worlds now rather than waiting until we are due to land on them. As I said above, we are more likely to see life on other worlds through energy signiture than by going there, or its creatures visiting us
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Why would God only put life on one of the planets at least in our solar system? Most worlds are undoubtedly just lumps or rock, ice and gas. Why would God not create other species and peoples for those? It seems a terribly wasted opportunity. Even if we find some life on more distant stars, it is clear that the bulk of the universe is devoid of life. Without God that is easy to grasp why, but with a God, it would seem that creation experimentation would be carried out elsewhere.

Extraterrestrial intelligence has indeed left its mark in our genetic code as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the meaningful numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s)with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”

“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”

"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.)"

"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."

Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code

"The first information system emerged on the earth as primordial version of the genetic code and genetic texts. The natural appearance of arithmetic power in such a linguistic milieu is theoretically possible and practical for producing information systems of extremely high efficiency. In this case, the arithmetic symbols should be incorporated into an alphabet, i.e. the genetic code. A number is the fundamental arithmetic symbol produced by the system of numeration. If the system of numeration were detected inside the genetic code, it would be natural to expect that its purpose is arithmetic calculation e.g., for the sake of control, safety, and precise alteration of the genetic texts. The nucleons of amino acids and the bases of nucleic acids seem most suitable for embodiments of digits. These assumptions were used for the analyzing the genetic code.

The compressed, life-size, and split representation of the Escherichia coli and Euplotes octocarinatus code versions were considered simultaneously. An exact equilibration of the nucleon sums of the amino acid standard blocks and/or side chains was found repeatedly within specified sets of the genetic code. Moreover, the digital notations of the balanced sums acquired, in decimal representation, the unique form 111, 222, …, 999. This form is a consequence of the criterion of divisibility by 037. The criterion could simplify some computing mechanism of a cell if any and facilitate its computational procedure.

Reference: Biosystems Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209
"Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code" Author: Vladimir I. shCherbak

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4703000662


"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing."

Reference: NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing
http://Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Properties



Furthermore, two years ago, a couple of astronomers detected a peculiar periodic spectral modulations in a small fraction of solar type stars observed in a Fourier transform analysis of 2.5 million spectra in the Sloan Digital Sky Survey where there is rapidly pulsed artificial light signals detected around 234 out of all the many numerous surveyed Sun-like stars. The cause of these peculiar periodic spectral modulations could be very likely be advanced laser technology from extraterrestrial intelligence from around these 234 Sun-like star systems.

These astronomers write in their peer-reviewed journal article: "Finally, we consider the possibility, predicted in a previous published paper, that the signals are caused by light pulses generated by ETI to makes us aware of their existence. We find that the detected signals have exactly the shape of an ETI signal predicted in the previous publication and are therefore in agreement with this hypothesis. The fact that they are only found in a very small fraction of stars within a narrow spectral range centered near the spectral type of the Sun is also in agreement with the ETI hypothesis. However, at this stage, this hypothesis needs to be confirmed with further work.".

Reference:

Discovery of Peculiar Periodic Spectral Modulations in a Small Fraction of Solar-type Stars - IOPscience

PAPER • THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE ISOPEN ACCESS
Discovery of Peculiar Periodic Spectral Modulations in a Small Fraction of Solar-type Stars
Ermanno F. Borra and Eric Trottier

Published 2016 October 14 • © 2016. The Astronomical Society of the Pacific. All rights reserved.
Publications of the Astronomical Society of the Pacific, Volume 128, Number 969

Discovery of Peculiar Periodic Spectral Modulations in a Small Fraction of Solar-type Stars - IOPscience

Once another reliable and credible source, which in this case will be the Breakthrough Initiative Listen Program, has also observed and verified these periodic spectral modulation signals, then they will have ruled out measurement errors as to the cause of these periodic spectral modulation signals. Then there will be no other known cause other than that of advance laser technology as the source of these periodic rapidly pulsating spectral modulation signals from around these 234 Sun-like star systems. So then, this will be very strong evidence for extraterrestrial intelligence and the long-awaited discovery of our distant cosmic relatives.
 

arthurchappell

writer, poet, historian,
If abiogenesis is true; then we should see life popping up elsewhere in the universe since there are so many stars and so many planets.

Secondly, God doesn't necessarily have a reason or need to make life elsewhere.

Thirdly, the universe remains largely unexplored and we can't rule out the possibility of life elsewhere either way.

not saying there is no life elsewhere but that it is rare - the number of inhabited worlds seems extremely low compared to barren worlds - if god made us in his own image and we like to imagine the worlds of science fiction, why not God as he is in a position to actually world build rather than imagine and describe the process
 

arthurchappell

writer, poet, historian,
Extraterrestrial intelligence has indeed left its mark in our genetic co

lots copied / pasted there, - much of of it questioned at source - microbacteria may move like seeds in meteors between worlds - exposed to open space it dies instantly. The idea that it is being targeted specifically to Earth rather than reaching us by chance is less credible. - Given that we all trace our origin to the big bang we are of stardust anyway.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian

"Panspermia, natural or directed, is a possible mechanism for the spread of life through interstellar space. In fact, we may be already capable to use solar sail technology for seeding nearby new planetary systems with our DNA/protein form of life, The program can become realistic in decades, due to rapid advances in high-precision astrometry, advanced propulsion, discovery of extrasolar planetary systems, and microbial genetic engineering . An essential component for realizing directed panspermia is the ethical motivation. Seeding distant planets with life is the ultimate altruism, bearing results long after the generations that implement it."

Reference: Journal of The British Interplanetary Society, Vol. 50, pp. 93-102, 1997 DIRECTED PANSPERMIA. 3. STRATEGIES AND MOTIVATION FOR SEEDING STAR-FORMING CLOUDS MICHAEL N. MAUTNER Department of Chemistry, Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, VA 23284-2006 USA and Lincoln University, Lincoln, New Zealand

http://www.astro-ecology.com/PDFDirectedPanspermia3JBIS1997Paper.pdf
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
You don't have any idea whether the bulk of the universe is devoid of life or not. You haven't observed it, and your sample size is unbelievably small.
It also depends on what is "the bulk of the universe". Even if there were one or two planets with life per solar system that has planets, the universe would still be mostly empty space.
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Why would God only put life on one of the planets at least in our solar system? Most worlds are undoubtedly just lumps or rock, ice and gas. Why would God not create other species and peoples for those? It seems a terribly wasted opportunity. Even if we find some life on more distant stars, it is clear that the bulk of the universe is devoid of life. Without God that is easy to grasp why, but with a God, it would seem that creation experimentation would be carried out elsewhere.
Think of the opportunity to travel to all those "unoccupied" places, and the requirement for us to get our race right.
 

arthurchappell

writer, poet, historian,
"Panspermia, natural or directed, is a possible mechanism for the spread of life through interstellar space. In fact, we may be already capable to use solar sail technology for seeding nearby new planetary systems with our DNA/protein form of life, The program can become realistic in decades, due to rapid advances in high-precision astrometry, advanced propulsion, discovery of extrasolar planetary systems, and microbial genetic engineering . An essential component for realizing directed panspermia is the ethical motivation. Seeding distant planets with life is the ultimate altruism, bearing results long after the generations that implement it."

Reference: Journal of The British Interplanetary Society, Vol. 50, pp. 93-102, 1997 DIRECTED PANSPERMIA. 3. STRATEGIES AND MOTIVATION FOR SEEDING STAR-FORMING CLOUDS MICHAEL N. MAUTNER Department of Chemistry, Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, VA 23284-2006 USA and Lincoln University, Lincoln, New Zealand

http://www.astro-ecology.com/PDFDirectedPanspermia3JBIS1997Paper.pdf


at best we could send microbacterials, as humans and other animals would need parents to feed, nurture and educate them. We would not see what became of our descendants for millenia - it is a very blind chance process - from Earth it can only happen if a/. scientists put bacteria on rockets or b/. Earth explodes and microbes get blasted over the galaxy hitching a ride on the debris - God still has nothing to do with it
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Why would God only put life on one of the planets at least in our solar system? Most worlds are undoubtedly just lumps or rock, ice and gas. Why would God not create other species and peoples for those? It seems a terribly wasted opportunity. Even if we find some life on more distant stars, it is clear that the bulk of the universe is devoid of life. Without God that is easy to grasp why, but with a God, it would seem that creation experimentation would be carried out elsewhere.

If only earth is populated its an awful waste of space.

Chances are life is plentiful in the universe. More and more planets are being discovered in other star systems close by (in astronomical terms). It seems that about 10% of those discovered are possibly life sustaining.

Thats only close neighbours, the universe is big.

But as yet et is speculation. The next generation of satellite is intended to analyse the atmosphere of these "earth like" planets for organic compounds and other traces of life.

Then, like now, if people say god dun it, the burden of proof is with them to demonstrate a god dun it.
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
We may have already found "life" on another planet, or should I say moon---
But it may be the creepy crawling type.,;.;.,p;

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Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
at best we could send microbacterials, as humans and other animals would need parents to feed, nurture and educate them. We would not see what became of our descendants for millenia - it is a very blind chance process - from Earth it can only happen if a/. scientists put bacteria on rockets or b/. Earth explodes and microbes get blasted over the galaxy hitching a ride on the debris - God still has nothing to do with it

Based on the WOW signal of the terrestrial genetic code, the blue print of all life on Earth was invented beyond this planet's human intelligence. Exactly who/what left its/their mark in our genetic coding might not ever get determined by anybody presently bound to Earth. The search for our cosmic relatives and cosmic common ancestry likely then needs to be done with advanced space exploration. I'd like to urge you then to please advise our Senate, Congress and President to expand our tax-payer funded resources for advance space exploration.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I think because He knew man would multiplied, He provided means as to where to multiply to.
Aren't you one of those who believe that "any day now" armageddon will begin? That doesn't leave much time for man to develop the technology needed to colonize distant star systems.
 

arthurchappell

writer, poet, historian,
Based on the WOW signal of the terrestrial genetic code, the blue print of all life on Earth was invented beyond this planet's human intelligence. Exactly who/what left its/their mark in our genetic coding might not ever get determined by anybody presently bound to Earth. The search for our cosmic relatives and cosmic common ancestry likely then needs to be done with advanced space exploration. I'd like to urge you then to please advise our Senate, Congress and President to expand our tax-payer funded resources for advance space exploration.

Wow sound like they read too much Erich Von Daniken - I can't advise your government as I'm not a US citizen, and my only advice to Trump would be resign and confess to Mueller - his Space Farce projects won't come close to even looking into WOW notions
 

Astrophile

Active Member
We certainly need other planets to anchor the solar system. If aliens want to destroy Earth, they could avoid our defences by destroying Jupiter or Saturn. That would affect our orbit and position round our Sun and life would almost certainly perish on Earth too - we are anchored by the other planets around us but I still see no reason why a God wouldn't put some amusing critters on those too

If they have the ability to destroy Jupiter (318 times the Earth's mass) or Saturn (95 times the Earth's mass), they can certainly destroy the Earth itself without being bothered by our defences.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Wow sound like they read too much Erich Von Daniken - I can't advise your government as I'm not a US citizen, and my only advice to Trump would be resign and confess to Mueller - his Space Farce projects won't come close to even looking into WOW notions

I actually do rather quite fancy the notion of my child growing up to become a space cadet. :D Of course, space exploration can be a concerted global effort. Please urge your prime minister and parliamentary representative member to increase tax payer support for advanced space exploration.
 
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