Why is pleasure bad according to any religion you belong to?

[Quintessence]

Perhaps but I'm gathering reasons why pleasure is wrong so that I can show scientifically in my writings why that is not true according to the science.

Doubtful. Your approach to this doesn't seem to be adhering to the sort of survey methodology that would be accepted by the scientific community. Though if you have a link to your IRB-vetted survey for members to take - with the informed consent, your institutional affiliation, all that sort of standard stuff you do with surveys - approvals for that have to go through the staff team.

Too much pleasure can be bad.

Too much of anything can be bad, I suppose. I've been re-playing the Outer Worlds recently and there's this... well... there's this plot mechanic where a certain something is used to force a permanent state of happiness? It is genuinely, genuinely creepy. And not just because it involves a parasite attached to people's necks.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Doubtful. Your approach to this doesn't seem to be adhering to the sort of survey methodology that would be accepted by the scientific community. Though if you have a link to your IRB-vetted survey for members to take - with the informed consent, your institutional affiliation, all that sort of standard stuff you do with surveys - approvals for that have to go through the staff team.

I can't just learn? These writings aren't to release as a book, they're to gather my thoughts, so my brain damaged untreated by medicine brain can actually understand my world around me.

Too much of anything can be bad, I suppose. I've been re-playing the Outer Worlds recently and there's this... well... there's this plot mechanic where a certain something is used to force a permanent state of happiness? It is genuinely, genuinely creepy. And not just because it involves a parasite attached to people's necks.

This is just psychological tricks to make you the way you should be, as all of nature is happy, except for new species that haven't evolved for very long. Don't let idiots propaganda fool you. They're not even senators. Happiness is good.

 

[Quintessence]

I can't just learn? These writings aren't to release as a book, they're to gather my thoughts, so my brain damaged untreated by medicine brain can actually understand my world around me.

Oh. You called what you were doing science, which has a very different implication. That's apparently not really what you meant. No worries, then.

This is just psychological tricks to make you the way you should be, as all of nature is happy, except for new species that haven't evolved for very long. Don't let idiots propaganda fool you. They're not even senators. Happiness is good.

So... it's clear you haven't played the Outer Worlds. To explain some context to you, the Outer Worlds is a sci-fi video game that came out a few years ago that is largely a parody and commentary on late-stage capitalism. It's set in a solar system owned and run by corporations and not in a good way - it is superficially functional but dystopian upon closer examination. Your comment doesn't really make much sense in response to this fictional game I'm talking about, and especially this plot device - Eridanium Gigasius

 

[ChieftheCef]

Oh. You called what you were doing science, which has a very different implication. That's apparently not really what you meant. No worries, then.

Sorry. I didn't receive tbi recovery except on my own because of familial issues.

So... it's clear you haven't played the Outer Worlds. To explain some context to you, the Outer Worlds is a sci-fi video game that came out a few years ago that is largely a parody and commentary on late-stage capitalism. It's set in a solar system owned and run by corporations and not in a good way - it is superficially functional but dystopian upon closer examination. Your comment doesn't really make much sense in response to this fictional game I'm talking about, and especially this plot device - Eridanium Gigasius

Yeah, helluva car crash. Crashed into my driver side and broke my brain on the window.

 

[Vinayaka]

I can't say, as in my view, there are many varieties of pleasure. I get pleasure from daily worship, cooking, watching a funny TV program, walking in nature, exercising, sleeping, driving through scenic mountains, doing a severe penance, having a lively discussion with Boss, watching some sports on TV, and many more. One of my favorite quotes from my Guru: "Life is meant to be lived ... joyously!"

So somebody who views pleasure as 'bad' certainly wouldn't want to befriend me, because I'd be a very bad influence on him/her.

 

[ChieftheCef]

I can't say, as in my view, there are many varieties of pleasure. I get pleasure from daily worship, cooking, watching a funny TV program, walking in nature, exercising, sleeping, driving through scenic mountains, doing a severe penance, having a lively discussion with Boss, watching some sports on TV, and many more. One of my favorite quotes from my Guru: "Life is meant to be lived ... joyously!"

So somebody who views pleasure as 'bad' certainly wouldn't want to befriend me, because I'd be a very bad influence on him/her.

Then why did you post?

 

[Vinayaka]

Then why did you post?

To say it's not bad, but in a more creative way. But if you think pleasure is bad, that's on you.

 

[ChieftheCef]

To say it's not bad, but in a more creative way. But if you think pleasure is bad, that's on you.

Noooooo! Not at all. Can I actually tell you something interesting? To be without what you like incrementally worsens your lasting happiness. I'm just looking for anything that contradicts that science so ican explain that very sci entice, that fact. Buddha, and practically everyone else is, wrong!

 

[ChieftheCef]

To say it's not bad, but in a more creative way. But if you think pleasure is bad, that's on you.

By the way, I hope you have pleasurable, spiritually intertwined day!

 

[Alien826]

For some reason, Abrahamic religions seem to be "down" on sex. I'm not familiar with other religions. I've never really understood why that should be (why they think it is bad). Unfortunately it has lead to a lot of things that really are bad, like societal disapproval of unmarried sex and forcing women to wear totally covering clothing.

Personally, I have one huge problem with sex. I can't get enough of it!

 

[Vinayaka]

By the way, I hope you have pleasurable, spiritually intertwined day!

A key component to my thoughts is that some of the stuff others might consider 'pleasure' I don't. Partying, for example.

 

[Trailblazer]

Of the human species, if sex was not enjoyed, many would never have children.

That's true, but we also would not have all the problems we now have in today's society, like adultery, broken marriages, abortion, etc.

 

[Trailblazer]

Personally, I have one huge problem with sex. I can't get enough of it!

You and every other man I have met.

 

[JustGeorge]

You and every other man I have met.

Not so.

When I got pregnant with my oldest son, the nurse was trying to figure out the date I might have gotten pregnant(to calculate the due date). I gave her the exact date, and she gave me an exasperated "how do you know?" I told her it was the only time I'd had sex that year. She looked surprised and calculated the date.

I wasn't happy with that set up. At all. I was 20, and his lack of interest wasn't something I was happy about.

 

[Trailblazer]

Not so.

When I got pregnant with my oldest son, the nurse was trying to figure out the date I might have gotten pregnant(to calculate the due date). I gave her the exact date, and she gave me an exasperated "how do you know?" I told her it was the only time I'd had sex that year. She looked surprised and calculated the date.

I wasn't happy with that set up. At all. I was 20, and his lack of interest wasn't something I was happy about.

Well, I was just being facetious. Talk about unhappy, I was not happy after I got married and discovered my husband did not want sex. The wedding night was a huge disappointment, and the honeymoon was not any better. Mind you, I had waited 32 years to have sex. It all got sorted out in the end, after we saw a sex therapist. It was not that he did not want sex, he just didn't feel comfortable performing it. So guess who had to take on that duty?

 

[sun rise]

Pleasure isn't bad, according to my religion. Attachment to it is.

You cannot understand pain without knowing pleasure.

Attachment and craving create discontent. The experience of pleasure in itself is not a problem.

It's not pleasure that's "bad", it's taking pleasure in selfishness. It's pleasuring ourselves at the expense of someone else.

I agree with these. Ordinary pleasures are fleeting. I might get pleasure from some really wonderful dark chocolate but the pleasure is transient. There is a temptation to take more and more to try to make the pleasure last but in this world everything is transient. So I guard against pleasure leading to addiction/dependency.

 

[Alien826]

Not so.

When I got pregnant with my oldest son, the nurse was trying to figure out the date I might have gotten pregnant(to calculate the due date). I gave her the exact date, and she gave me an exasperated "how do you know?" I told her it was the only time I'd had sex that year. She looked surprised and calculated the date.

I wasn't happy with that set up. At all. I was 20, and his lack of interest wasn't something I was happy about.

Gotta have a joke.

A researcher was trying to link happiness to sexual frequency. The questions went
How many times do you have sex? Every day/ Every week/ Every month /Every year.
How happy are you on a scale of 1-10?

Mostly the correlation was what he expected, the more sex the happier. But there was one response that said "every year" and "10". Puzzled, he called the guy.

"You say you have sex only once a year but you are very happy. How is that?"

"Tonight's the night!"

 

[Trailblazer]

Mostly the correlation was what he expected, the more sex the happier.

Hmmmmm.... I am happier now that I do not have sex than when I was having lots of sex.
Then again, I have always been one to swim against the tide.

If I am unhappy it is because I lost my husband and there will never be one like him. I am also unhappy about all the things I have to deal with, mainly houses, and all the things that go with owning them.

 

[osgart]

Reckless, or mean spirited pleasures never served anyone well. Religion, if done well, is about the right things to take pleasure in, and what fulfills vs. what leaves one empty, void, and starved of worth and quality of life. Of course there are people who don't care at all about self worth and see this life as a free ride and have no care in their pleasures.

Saying religion is about depriving one pleasures is a false statement. Those who care about self worth, and commitment in their relationships take pleasure differently than the one's who say what the hell you only live once.

Not everyone is the same about pleasure. There are those who have zero responsibility about it. It all depends on your big picture of what life is.

 

[Alien826]

Here's something to think about, meant seriously.

Anyone read Brave New World by Aldous Huxley? For those that haven't, it's set in a future time when science has made everyone truly happy just about all the time. People are created without women having to give birth. People are conditioned, both physically and mentally, to want and enjoy what they are and their station in society. Anything that might cause uncomfortable emotion is avoided. Sex is universal and without commitment. There is a drug (soma) that is euphoric without any side effects like hangovers. There was no religious belief, but some alternatives to religious practice. This was all set up after yet another catastrophic war in attempt to stop that ever happening again by eliminating all the negative emotions that cause most of our problems. That objective was attained.

When commenting, please accept the premises of the story. Don't say it couldn't happen, in the book it could and did.

The author considered that society to be a dystopia, and concentrated on those that didn't fit into society and the problems they had. I wonder though, would it really be all that bad? A life filled with genuine happiness, even though it was imposed on people?