Why is pornography bad?

[Skwim]

Why wont you answer the question?

May as well ask me if I like roast leg of lamb. The question is irrelevant, and any answer would take the thread off topic.

 

[Walkntune]

Why wont you answer the question?

His silence spoke louder then words.

 

[ninerbuff]

So would you want your little girl to grow up and be involved in porn? Why or why not?

How about your little girl growing up to be a daredevil? Or a professional female fighter? Or crab fisherman?
While no person would want their child to work in jobs that have higher risks for danger, to subject porn to just being "bad" because you disapprove of it doesn't lessen the chance that your little girl may choose one of the above.

 

[Walkntune]

How about your little girl growing up to be a daredevil? Or a professional female fighter? Or crab fisherman?
While no person would want their child to work in jobs that have higher risks for danger, to subject porn to just being "bad" because you disapprove of it doesn't lessen the chance that your little girl may choose one of the above.

When I see support groups trying to help those in these careers trying to get back there self worth and self respect and help overcome the addictions I would be more cautious of underlying issues.
Interesting how instead of being responsible for our actions we try and justify them.
It made Jerry Springer a hit show.

 

[ninerbuff]

When I see support groups trying to help those in these careers trying to get back there self worth and self respect and help overcome the addictions I would be more cautious of underlying issues.
Interesting how instead of being responsible for our actions we try and justify them.
It made Jerry Springer a hit show.

Porn is looked down upon by many who in their opinion deem it "dirty". All the while they these same people secretly lust others quietly in their own mind, they have the audacity to judge what others do with their lives. And self respect is subjective. More than 60% of Americans can't control eating habits and end up being overweight or obese. More people die from just bad habitual eating due to the health problems it creates, and yet people like you are worried about porn? Porn has been around since the time man began. Religious make is "dirty" ever since the ridiculous story of adam and eve. Had it not been for that, we might still be walking around nude like other animals of the Earth.
All you folks are looking for are new converts. Lol, no different than recruiting naive people helpless youths to a gang IMO. Show them false hopes, dreams and security and they'll dive right in.

 

[Storm]

How about your little girl growing up to be a daredevil? Or a professional female fighter? Or crab fisherman?
While no person would want their child to work in jobs that have higher risks for danger, to subject porn to just being "bad" because you disapprove of it doesn't lessen the chance that your little girl may choose one of the above.

When I see support groups trying to help those in these careers trying to get back there self worth and self respect and help overcome the addictions I would be more cautious of underlying issues.

This is what I was getting at.

There's exceptions to prove every rule, but sex work damages people in a way flipping burgers doesn't. That's assuming they're not damaged to begin with. We all know it, and I don't understand why people try to pretend they don't.

 

[Father Heathen]

As long as all involved are consenting adults I support their right to do what they will. However working in porn and prostitution can't possibly be emotionally and psychologically healthy. I don't think such things should be illegal, but the nature of them should still be acknowledged.

 

[Skwim]

This is what I was getting at.

There's exceptions to prove every rule, but sex work damages people in a way flipping burgers doesn't. That's assuming they're not damaged to begin with. We all know it, and I don't understand why people try to pretend they don't.

Firefighting also damages people in a way flipping burgers doesn't. Thing is, comparisons like this aren't worth the time it takes to type them out. I don't think anyone would say working in porn is all roses; that there is no possible down side to it. But this is true of thousands of occupations. What I do see is people, who because of their ethical values, construct generalizations to demonize the work. If sex work is inherently damaging to people, then let's put these cards on the table so we can see what they are. And lets not be playing with opinions, but with actual facts. If the cons of sex work overshadow the pros then lets see the facts so we can make an informed evaluation. So far all I've seen are opinionated and unsupported accusations.

I think the legal admonition, "Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty," would be well to keep in mind here.

 

[Storm]

Firefighting also damages people in a way flipping burgers doesn't. Thing is, comparisons like this aren't worth the time it takes to type them out. I don't think anyone would say working in porn is all roses; that there is no possible down side to it. But this is true of thousands of occupations. What I do see is people, who because of their ethical values, construct generalizations to demonize the work. If sex work is inherently damaging to people, then let's put these cards on the table so we can see what they are. And lets not be playing with opinions, but with actual facts. If the cons of sex work overshadow the pros then lets see the facts so we can make an informed evaluation. So far all I've seen are opinionated and unsupported accusations.

I think the legal admonition, "Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty," would be well to keep in mind here.

Where have I demonized anyone? Who brought guilt and innocence into the conversation?

Sorry, but I'm not going to emotionally brutalize myself finding "facts" just because you're too stubborn to accept the obvious. You want evidence, find it yourself.

 

[Father Heathen]

Skwim, would you sell yourself for the right amount of money? If so, how much? If not, why not?

 

[Walkntune]

This is what I was getting at.

There's exceptions to prove every rule, but sex work damages people in a way flipping burgers doesn't. That's assuming they're not damaged to begin with. We all know it, and I don't understand why people try to pretend they don't.

People like to rely on logic for morality instead of intuitive conviction because it is an easy way to try and justify actions instead of being responsible for them.
Kind of like politics, it's easy to sound good in front of a mic but when it comes down to reality of actions and responsibilities,the actions always speak louder.
There is always a price to pay for becoming numb to convictions.

 

[Father Heathen]

Morality =/= legality

 

[Walkntune]

Firefighting also damages people in a way flipping burgers doesn't. Thing is, comparisons like this aren't worth the time it takes to type them out. I don't think anyone would say working in porn is all roses; that there is no possible down side to it. But this is true of thousands of occupations. What I do see is people, who because of their ethical values, construct generalizations to demonize the work. If sex work is inherently damaging to people, then let's put these cards on the table so we can see what they are. And lets not be playing with opinions, but with actual facts. If the cons of sex work overshadow the pros then lets see the facts so we can make an informed evaluation. So far all I've seen are opinionated and unsupported accusations.

I think the legal admonition, "Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty," would be well to keep in mind here.

Huge difference in sacrificing for society and working a job that takes advantage of the vulnerability of society.

 

[Skwim]

Huge difference in sacrificing for society and working a job that takes advantage of the vulnerability of society.

"Vulnerability of society"? Oh, you mean a job that employs people to prey on the emotional needs of others by offering false hope, as in religion? Or do you believe that all religions are equally true? But I'm curious. EXACTLY what do you perceive to be the "vulnerability of society" that's being taken advantage of here?

 

[Walkntune]

"Vulnerability of society"? Oh, you mean a job that employs people to prey on the emotional needs of others by offering false hope, as in religion? Or do you believe that all religions are equally true? But I'm curious. EXACTLY what do you perceive to be the "vulnerability of society" that's being taken advantage of here?

Interesting you mention religion as it has helped countless people recover from the streets from drug and sex addictions.

 

[Skwim]

Interesting you mention religion as it has helped countless people recover from the streets from drug and sex addictions.

Kind of thought my question would be too difficult. No need to try explaining, I understand.

 

[ninerbuff]

Huge difference in sacrificing for society and working a job that takes advantage of the vulnerability of society.

If that was true then we should get rid of our military. Many of them are in there because of lack of choices, lack of money, and lack of family support.

 

[ninerbuff]

Interesting you mention religion as it has helped countless people recover from the streets from drug and sex addictions.

Lol, you mean "12 step method"? Try again.

The Effectiveness of the Twelve-Step Treatment

Nothing could be further from the truth. Even the most ardent true believers who will be honest about it recognize that A.A. and N.A. have at least 90% failure rates. And the real numbers are more like 95% or 98% or 100% failure rates. It depends on who is doing the counting, how they are counting, and what they are counting or measuring.
A 5% success rate is nothing more than the rate of spontaneous remission in alcoholics and drug addicts. That is, out of any given group of alcoholics or drug addicts, approximately 5% per year will just wise up, and quit killing themselves.[SIZE=-1]6 They just get sick and tired of being sick and tired, and of watching their friends die. (And something between 1% and 3% of their friends do die annually, so that is a big incentive.) They often quit with little or no official treatment or help. Some actually detox themselves on their own couches, or in their own beds, or locked in their own closets. Often, they don't go to a lot of meetings. They just quit, all on their own, or with the help of a couple of good friends who keep them locked up for a few days while they go through withdrawal. A.A. and N.A. true believers insist that addicts can't successfully quit that way, but they do, every day. [/SIZE]

 

[Walkntune]

If that was true then we should get rid of our military. Many of them are in there because of lack of choices, lack of money, and lack of family support.

How would you consider this to be taken advantage of the vulnerability of society like addictions that destroy families?

 

[Walkntune]

Lol, you mean "12 step method"? Try again.

The Effectiveness of the Twelve-Step Treatment

Nothing could be further from the truth. Even the most ardent true believers who will be honest about it recognize that A.A. and N.A. have at least 90% failure rates. And the real numbers are more like 95% or 98% or 100% failure rates. It depends on who is doing the counting, how they are counting, and what they are counting or measuring.
A 5% success rate is nothing more than the rate of spontaneous remission in alcoholics and drug addicts. That is, out of any given group of alcoholics or drug addicts, approximately 5% per year will just wise up, and quit killing themselves.[SIZE=-1]6 They just get sick and tired of being sick and tired, and of watching their friends die. (And something between 1% and 3% of their friends do die annually, so that is a big incentive.) They often quit with little or no official treatment or help. Some actually detox themselves on their own couches, or in their own beds, or locked in their own closets. Often, they don't go to a lot of meetings. They just quit, all on their own, or with the help of a couple of good friends who keep them locked up for a few days while they go through withdrawal. A.A. and N.A. true believers insist that addicts can't successfully quit that way, but they do, every day. [/SIZE]

Not sure what this has to do with religion?
Actually the only part of a twelve step program I would agree with is someone admitting they have a problem and needing help.
Confessing oneself to be an alcoholic after ten years of sobriety is not truly releasing a problem but holding on consciously.