Why is pornography bad?

[ninerbuff]

Women and Porn Industry: the Reasons

Women are in porn mostly for the money. There are other reasons, but many people have a price if they desire money.

 

[Walkntune]

Women and Porn Industry: the Reasons

Women are in porn mostly for the money. There are other reasons, but many people have a price if they desire money.

This is why dealers sell drugs to children. What's the point?

 

[ninerbuff]

How would you consider this to be taken advantage of the vulnerability of society like addictions that destroy families?

The US military is dwindling in size. With unemployment very high right now, recruiters are using unethical tactics to get people to sign up.

Recruiters have been accused of falsely telling youth they would definitely not be sent to the Middle East if they joined and of generally downplaying the reality of enlisting in a war machine that now has troops deployed in 120 countries, including the 140,000-strong occupation force in Iraq.
Unprecedented financial incentives are being offered to bribe both new recruits and soldiers considering re-enlistment, including signing bonuses of as much as $20,000 and college grants of up to $70,000. The maximum enlistment age for the National Guard and reserves has been raised from 34 to 39.
The White House and the Pentagon are resorting to far more questionable policies to try and get personnel. The use of “stop-loss” orders that prevent soldiers leaving active service when their enlistment has expired has been widely commented on. The military has also selectively called up over 6,000 ex-service personnel with specialized skills who are on the rolls of the Individual Ready Reserve.


Animosity toward military service produces desperate US recruiting measures

A kid enlists with the thought of not going to war. Tell parents not to worry. Kid gets sent to Middle East and killed in line of duty. Now tell me the death of person, especially someone's child who joined because of monetary and schooling promises, doesn't affect a family, wife/husband, children etc.?

 

[ninerbuff]

Not sure what this has to do with religion?
Actually the only part of a twelve step program I would agree with is someone admitting they have a problem and needing help.
Confessing oneself to be an alcoholic after ten years of sobriety is not truly releasing a problem but holding on consciously.

The 12 step program is a program designed on religion.

 

[ninerbuff]

This is why dealers sell drugs to children. What's the point?

The article is some of the reasons why women join porn. Women do it for the money. Just like you and I do what we do for a job. To make money.

 

[Walkntune]

The US military is dwindling in size. With unemployment very high right now, recruiters are using unethical tactics to get people to sign up.

A kid enlists with the thought of not going to war. Tell parents not to worry. Kid gets sent to Middle East and killed in line of duty. Now tell me the death of person, especially someone's child who joined because of monetary and schooling promises, doesn't affect a family, wife/husband, children etc.?

Well we know lying is not moral. I think?
One wrong does not justify another.

 

[Walkntune]

The 12 step program is a program designed on religion.

It is not an accurate practice of any religion I know of.

 

[Walkntune]

The article is some of the reasons why women join porn. Women do it for the money. Just like you and I do what we do for a job. To make money.

Well they say money is the root of all evil

Most of these other reasons mentioned remind me of Storms argument.

Some women enter the porn industry for negative reasons. Some of the women have been sexually abused or molested and then is how they deal with that pain. Other women choose the porn industry to pay for drug habits or because they feel they can not make money any other way. Some women who have been teenage runaways have entered the porn industry because it allows them to get off the streets. Other women suffer from low self esteem and working in porn makes them feel sexy. There are as many negative reasons as positive reasons on why a woman may enter the porn industry.

The only positive reason mentioned was money. I guess that's a positive reason to sell drugs to children also?

 

[ninerbuff]

Well we know lying is not moral. I think?
One wrong does not justify another.

You asked how it takes advantage of a vunerability of society. Are you saying that this doesn't?

 

[ninerbuff]

It is not an accurate practice of any religion I know of.

Didn't say it "was" a religion. I said it was based on it:

1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Twelve-step program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1. So you stating that religion helps with addiction is objective at best.

 

[ninerbuff]

Well they say money is the root of all evil.

Who is "they"? Rich people? CEO's? Churches who collect and make profit from donations?

The only positive reason mentioned was money. I guess that's a positive reason to sell drugs to children also?

It's illegal to sell drugs to children. Porn isn't illegal.

 

[Walkntune]

=ninerbuff;2207075]Who is "they"? Rich people? CEO's? Churches who collect and make profit from donations?

All of them that say it are part of the they.

It's illegal to sell drugs to children. Porn isn't illegal.

So you are saying that because people do it for money doesn't justify the act?I thought it was such a positive reason!

 

[ninerbuff]

All of them that say it are part of the they.

So if none of my friends or family say it, then women working in porn is okay for us? It's just the people that think money is evil that is against porn right?

So you are saying that because people do it for money doesn't justify the act?I thought it was such a positive reason!

You likening a drug dealer to a porn actor/actress is off. If a porn actress wants to do it for money, that's her option. Not all of them are "messed up in the head" or "lack self esteem". For many it's a fast way to make money and get what they want. We have people in society that do that everyday. The weight loss industry is one of the biggest that preys on people who are desperate to lose weight and will listen to any story that they think will remedy their problem. IMO, the weight loss industry is one of the easiest ways to make money on the "vunerability of society" and at their expense.

 

[Walkntune]

ninerbuff;2207153]So if none of my friends or family say it, then women working in porn is okay for us? It's just the people that think money is evil that is against porn right?

You likening a drug dealer to a porn actor/actress is off. If a porn actress wants to do it for money, that's her option. Not all of them are "messed up in the head" or "lack self esteem". For many it's a fast way to make money and get what they want.

It was to show that that doing some thing for money does not justify what is morally right or wrong.Morality should be based on what is good for society as a whole and not singled out just for someones wants.

We have people in society that do that everyday. The weight loss industry is one of the biggest that preys on people who are desperate to lose weight and will listen to any story that they think will remedy their problem. IMO, the weight loss industry is one of the easiest ways to make money on the "vunerability of society" and at their expense.

I agree with you on this.Unfortunately there is no money in teaching people how to eat correctly and take care of themselves.Once again its a money issue right?
Big Pharma loves sick people.They are even worse than weight loss industry.
Hey you feeling down,maybe you are depressed and need this medication.Person may have never even thought depression.Suddenly it becomes a self fulfilled prophesy and the person goes down hill from there on meds the rest of there life.Once you hold onto something consciously its hard to let go and drug companies count on this.
Should be illegal to advertise these medicines direct on TV and should be left for DR recommendations.In my view its as sick as killing for money.This is a subject for another thread.
At least porno is in the open and most people are aware of its downfall.

 

[ninerbuff]

It was to show that that doing some thing for money does not justify what is morally right or wrong.Morality should be based on what is good for society as a whole and not singled out just for someones wants.

But morality is subjective. Topless beaches in Europe aren't considered immoral there, but if it's in the US it is. So aren't you speaking of morality in terms of just US society?

I agree with you on this.Unfortunately there is no money in teaching people how to eat correctly and take care of themselves.Once again its a money issue right?
Big Pharma loves sick people.They are even worse than weight loss industry.
Hey you feeling down,maybe you are depressed and need this medication.Person may have never even thought depression.Suddenly it becomes a self fulfilled prophesy and the person goes down hill from there on meds the rest of there life.Once you hold onto something consciously its hard to let go and drug companies count on this.
Should be illegal to advertise these medicines direct on TV and should be left for DR recommendations.In my view its as sick as killing for money.This is a subject for another thread.
At least porno is in the open and most people are aware of its downfall.

Well there was, it was just decided it wasn't needed. I totally remember having a health class and discussing eating of good nutritious meals. Of course this was before processed food became the norm.

 

[Sententia]

Assuming that those who participate in porn do so willingly, why should porn be demonized or at least condemned?

If you claim that it provokes lust please explain why lust is necessarily bad, AND THEN be prepared to back up your contention that porn actually provokes lust with facts.

I dunno I don't demonize porn.

Thats not to say some porn doesn't deserve to be demonized.

Some people do porn because they're hot and its easy money. Some because they like it. Some because they feel they have no choice.

You are free to conclude whatever you want to conclude about porn but that doesn't mean your conclusion has any reality to speak of. If you think your superficial but heartfelt conclusion has any more justification then the next persons superficial and also heartfelt conclusion then you might be narcissistic and biased but also probably wrong.

There are people who love porn and love their jobs just as there are people who love making fries and handing out happy meals... If you don't see that you don't see them and choose only to see yourself as them which is fine but you are bit too self centered to see them for them and to accept them for them.

 

[Skwim]

I dunno I don't demonize porn.

Thats not to say some porn doesn't deserve to be demonized.

Some people do porn because they're hot and its easy money. Some because they like it. Some because they feel they have no choice.

You are free to conclude whatever you want to conclude about porn but that doesn't mean your conclusion has any reality to speak of. If you think your superficial but heartfelt conclusion has any more justification then the next persons superficial and also heartfelt conclusion then you might be narcissistic and biased but also probably wrong.

There are people who love porn and love their jobs just as there are people who love making fries and handing out happy meals... If you don't see that you don't see them and choose only to see yourself as them which is fine but you are bit too self centered to see them for them and to accept them for them.

So there! :slap:

 

[Dezzie]

So... I realize that this topic hasn't been "opened" back up forever but I just found some amazing videos about the porn industry that I thought I would share. Of course, the first thing I thought about was this topic on here (even though I haven't been on here in FOREVER)...

Here is all the stuff I have found. It's sick how much crap these people in the porn industry go through (female AND even the males!)... I have never supported this industry and I never will.

Shelley testifies at State Capitol | Pink Cross Foundation

[youtube]1ddPHfYDkDE[/youtube]
Ex Porn Star's Amazing Story (Part 1 of 6) - YouTube
(There are 6 parts to this... it's such an amazing story and I highly encourage everyone to take a listen to all of it... she is very religious now and talks about God a lot. Hopefully this doesn't turn everyone off from watching).

Ex Porn Star Danielle Williams | Pink Cross Foundation

Okay now those are just a few videos about a couple of ex-porn stars and their past...

Here is an article I found that really struck me:

Reasons Why Porn is Bad
Now... this may come off a certain way to some of you BUT... I want you to just think for a moment about what it is saying... Not all of it may be true for people who watch porn but most, if not all of it, still HAPPENS... Another thing that is interesting to me is the "porn statistics" link at the bottom of the page.

Porn Addiction Help, Pornography Addiction, Sex Addiction, Catholic Church - Interview with Jennifer Case
This is an interview with another ex-porn star who looked up to Shelley Lubben (the woman in the top two videos...) and got out of the industry.

14 SHOCKING Pornography Statistics « The United Families International Blog
This is just interesting.

My husband came across these things actually... All he did was look up "Amazing stories" on youtube and he got the second video I provided for you guys. He told me he also read an article about all the mental and physical problems people can have from being addicted to and just viewing pornography. I can't find that one on my own so I am going to have to ask him for it. I'll try to remember to put it up later...

Dezzie

 

[Skwim]

So... I realize that this topic hasn't been "opened" back up forever but I just found some amazing videos about the porn industry that I thought I would share. Of course, the first thing I thought about was this topic on here (even though I haven't been on here in FOREVER)...

Here is all the stuff I have found. It's sick how much crap these people in the porn industry go through (female AND even the males!)... I have never supported this industry and I never will.

Shelley testifies at State Capitol | Pink Cross Foundation

[youtube]1ddPHfYDkDE[/youtube]
Ex Porn Star's Amazing Story (Part 1 of 6) - YouTube
(There are 6 parts to this... it's such an amazing story and I highly encourage everyone to take a listen to all of it... she is very religious now and talks about God a lot. Hopefully this doesn't turn everyone off from watching).

Ex Porn Star Danielle Williams | Pink Cross Foundation

Okay now those are just a few videos about a couple of ex-porn stars and their past...

Porn Addiction Help, Pornography Addiction, Sex Addiction, Catholic Church - Interview with Jennifer Case
This is an interview with another ex-porn star who looked up to Shelley Lubben (the woman in the top two videos...) and got out of the industry.

While interesting, stories like these are hardly convincing enough to damn an industry.

Here is an article I found that really struck me:

Reasons Why Porn is Bad
Now... this may come off a certain way to some of you BUT... I want you to just think for a moment about what it is saying... Not all of it may be true for people who watch porn but most, if not all of it, still HAPPENS... Another thing that is interesting to me is the "porn statistics" link at the bottom of the page.

From the piece

"13) Looking at porn helps you start to believe the lies it promotes. Example lies include:

• Perverted sex (homosexual sex, incest,. . . . ."

This tells me enough about the writer's prejudices to dismiss the whole thing.

14 SHOCKING Pornography Statistics « The United Families International Blog

Not a single source is cited, which means it's all worthless.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

While interesting, stories like these are hardly convincing enough to damn an industry.


From the piece

"13) Looking at porn helps you start to believe the lies it promotes. Example lies include:

• Perverted sex (homosexual sex, incest,. . . . ."

This tells me enough about the writer's prejudices to dismiss the whole thing.

Not a single source is cited, which means it's all worthless.

:clap