Why is Satan bad?

[Shadow Wolf]

Any specific examples of this?

Is this a serious question? God gave his commandments, one of which states thou shalt not kill. God had done quite abit of that. Jesus said turn the other cheek, but God has shown a tendacy to stare the sinner down and strike them dead.

Probably because it's human nature that we don't learn from your mistakes unless we are punished for them. I can only imagine if a parent took this stance with their kids.

But if the evil people of the earth were going to burn in hell forever, then why end their lives prematurely by drowning, destroying with raining fire, and so on. God even went as far to kill the first born of Egypt. He also commanded the Israelites to destroy there rival tribes down the last woman and child.

Who said people are sent to Hell for misbehaving? I believe the bible teaches they are if they knowingly reject the offer for eternal life and enter into a relationship with Jesus.

The Bible. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of god. The only way out is to accept Jesus. But without Jesus, you burn in hell.

But again, I think if people understood the background to these scenarios it makes them easier understand and accept. As I said before, probably easier to defuse your argument on a case by case basis.

Looking at some stories as stories or historical facts, detailed analysis of God's thoughts and reasons, and step by step details of why, I would still reject your God. I see him as a jealous, egomaniac, cold blooded killer.

I've found for the most part that when God has ordered people or groups of people to death, 99% they were evil and wicked people that have knowingly rejected orders to repent from their actions and make themselves right again.

But again, why kill them off if they are going to be punished yet again in hell, but forever?

I just had a new thought. Maybe God likes sending people to hell? After all, he has killed people and hastened there arrival, has provided only one method of escape, that still to this day not everyone alive has heard of, and he has sent no modern reminders that can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the message was from him.
And once we die, that is it. The countless souls who were lead astray will never get another chance to repent. Allthough someone like me would still opt for hell, millions would be allowed to enter heaven if they were allowed to repent at the pearly gates.

 

[look3467]

I just had a new thought. Maybe God likes sending people to hell? After all, he has killed people and hastened there arrival, has provided only one method of escape, that still to this day not everyone alive has heard of, and he has sent no modern reminders that can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the message was from him.
And once we die, that is it. The countless souls who were lead astray will never get another chance to repent. Although someone like me would still opt for hell, millions would be allowed to enter heaven if they were allowed to repent at the pearly gates.>>>Luke Wolf

If hell is a fiery furnace to burn off the sins that He has forgiven and renders the soul as Gold is refined and pure.
If living on earth is hell for many, think ye that one deserved another worse hell?
Come on, you think God says He is love and would be that unjust?

Open up your mind abit, and let the love of God sink in to let you see how loving He is.
After all, mans perception of God is clouded by all that we see, hear and read, and determine that God is evil too!
Unless the spirit opens our eyes to see through God’s point of view, we will remain the same.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Nick Soapdish]

In a nut shell, I do not view your God as being worthy of my praise and worship. If his hands were less bloody, then I would consider it again.

How do you view the New Testament?

Why is this? We were made in God's "likeness and image." If we were made like God, then why can we not see things from his perspective?

Because we are not omniscient.

The human story is powerful. This is because death, ugliness and evil is necessary for there to be an appreciation for life, beauty and love.

 

[Nick Soapdish]

Is this a serious question? God gave his commandments, one of which states thou shalt not kill. God had done quite abit of that. Jesus said turn the other cheek, but God has shown a tendacy to stare the sinner down and strike them dead.

Christianity depends on authority. God has a different authority than we do. Your complaint is like a pet dog's objection to not be able to eat off the table simply because his owner is allowed to.

 

[Peace]

Why is Satan bad?

because he is envious and arrogant....

 

[SERVANTOFSET]

Christianity depends on authority. God has a different authority than we do. Your complaint is like a pet dog's objection to not be able to eat off the table simply because his owner is allowed to.

And where does this authroity come from? No where except the book that christians claim is the word of God. -So God derives his right to treat people like dogs from his own words? If that's how it works then perhaps I should tell the world in my own words that I am its creator and then demand worship. That would be no worse than the flimsy rationale that you are trying to espouse.

 

[SERVANTOFSET]

How do you view the New Testament?

I would imagine that he views it as the document that is completely dependent on the OT for what little coherence it has (with this streaching so far as complete repetition in some sections) and as a hopeless get-out clause for christians who like to ignore what we might charitably call 'its less cuddly sections".

 

[Nick Soapdish]

And where does this authroity come from? No where except the book that christians claim is the word of God. -So God derives his right to treat people like dogs from his own words? If that's how it works then perhaps I should tell the world in my own words that I am its creator and then demand worship. That would be no worse than the flimsy rationale that you are trying to espouse.

That is really quite easy to answer. You are not omniscient, omnipotent and did not create this Universe and every living being in it.

Once you manage to create your own Universe, feel free to govern its creatures however you see fit. Would you have them believe that whatever agrees with you is "good" and whatever is against your will is "evil"?

By the way, I do not understand the reasoning behind devil worshiping. If the devil is a deity of self-interest, how can you possibly trust him? Does he have your interests in mind (i.e. is he a loving deity)? What do you rest your belief that he is not leading you astray on?

 

[Ringer]

That is really quite easy to answer. You are not omniscient, omnipotent and did not create this Universe and every living being in it.

Once you manage to create your own Universe, feel free to govern its creatures however you see fit. Would you have them believe that whatever agrees with you is "good" and whatever is against your will is "evil"?

By the way, I do not understand the reasoning behind devil worshiping. If the devil is a deity of self-interest, how can you possibly trust him? Does he have your interests in mind (i.e. is he a loving deity)? What do you rest your belief that he is not leading you astray on?

I expect an answer that involves the following..."Satan isn't a bad person but Christians have made him out to be that way. In reality, because of what he did in the Garden, we know the differences between good and evil. Also, he does not demand our worship like the cruel Christian God who just wants us to be his slaves. Oh yeah, Satan never actually killed anyone besides a certain few. The Christian God has murdered millions."

That generalizes the typical answers I get for those who hold Satan/Devil in such a high regard.

 

[SERVANTOFSET]

That is really quite easy to answer. You are not omniscient, omnipotent and did not create this Universe and every living being in it.

Once you manage to create your own Universe, feel free to govern its creatures however you see fit. Would you have them believe that whatever agrees with you is "good" and whatever is against your will is "evil"?

By the way, I do not understand the reasoning behind devil worshiping. If the devil is a deity of self-interest, how can you possibly trust him? Does he have your interests in mind (i.e. is he a loving deity)? What do you rest your belief that he is not leading you astray on?

No you have just repeated your earlier flase logic. According to what, is he omniscient omnipotent and the creator?:- The Bible, which according to every Christian is his word. So you are now saying that God is omniscient according to God's word. I'm sure that according to your word, you have a grasp of theology but that would be false. And all of this is aside from the problems of petitionary prayer and discourse that occurs within the Trinity.

Your second paragraph goes even further in revealing the gaping whole in your ideas. It rests on the assumption that God has created the universe which in turn rests on the Bible which is his word which takes us back to my original argument that you are incapable of countering.

I do not see the devil as a deity of self interest, I see the devil as a deity of wisdom and rationality. I'm afraid that you will have to embrace these concepts and do much better than this if you expect to persuade anybody.

 

[gnomon]

Personally I'm wondering how much money I could make if I took the posts of this thread, had them printed on to rolls of soft tissue and marketed it as toilet paper. There may be some legal hurdles to overcome. I'll look into that.

 

[Random]

I believe in Satan and I still do good things for people. Why is it a Christian man more trust worthy than a man who believes in Satan. Please tell my why this is?

You're confused, but that's okay, lot's of other people are to.

 

[roli]

I believe in Satan and I still do good things for people. Why is it a Christian man more trust worthy than a man who believes in Satan. Please tell my why this is?

It's got nothing to do with what you do or how a christian is perceived ,what will matter in the end is who you serve.

Arguing about it means very little,it will be evident on that day

 

[MoonWater]

It's got nothing to do with what you do or how a christian is perceived ,what will matter in the end is who you serve.

Arguing about it means very little,it will be evident on that day

What I've never understood is why who you serve is more important than what you do. Following that then a rapist and murderer who happens to serve the "right" "God" would get into heaven while one who helps others and never harms a single person but happens to follow the "wrong" "God" goes to hell. How is that Justice? How does that even make sense?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How do you view the New Testament?

I view the NT as being in two parts. The first part being about a man who was enlightened, but was not the promised messiah of the Jews. He was either confused for this messiah, or was made to fill the position by the greed that fueled the early church. The second part are stories to help 'confirm' that Jesus was the messiah.

 

[Ringer]

What I've never understood is why who you serve is more important than what you do. Following that then a rapist and murderer who happens to serve the "right" "God" would get into heaven while one who helps others and never harms a single person but happens to follow the "wrong" "God" goes to hell. How is that Justice? How does that even make sense?

I don't think that Jesus would consider the rapist and murderer as someone who is serving him.

 

[look3467]

I don't think that Jesus would consider the rapist and murderer as someone who is serving him.

Yes, Jesus considered every conceivable sin there is, for in order for Him to forgive it, He must have owned it.
One can not forgive a sin done to others, but we can forgive sin if it was done to us.

Yes, is judge and jury of all sin, and in this life, one can rest assured that if one makes a trespass against Him, He will take corrective measures.

Now, notice I said corrective measures? Yes, He will let the world spank us for our misdeeds, but our souls belong to Him.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Ringer]

Yes, Jesus considered every conceivable sin there is, for in order for Him to forgive it, He must have owned it.
One can not forgive a sin done to others, but we can forgive sin if it was done to us.

Yes, is judge and jury of all sin, and in this life, one can rest assured that if one makes a trespass against Him, He will take corrective measures.

Now, notice I said corrective measures? Yes, He will let the world spank us for our misdeeds, but our souls belong to Him.

Peace>>>AJ

I'm not doubting the fact that you can still be in God's family and still do some pretty nasty things. What I am saying is that he probably doesn't consider the act murder or raping as an act of service towards him. Call me crazy but I think it's one of those things we can do without.

 

[look3467]

I'm not doubting the fact that you can still be in God's family and still do some pretty nasty things. What I am saying is that he probably doesn't consider the act murder or raping as an act of service towards him. Call me crazy but I think it's one of those things we can do without.

You are absolutely right to believe that.
What are the consequences than for such deeds?
God allows mankind to administer corrections.
Case in point: Misdeed
1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

Corrective measures:
1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

In the case of rape, murder, Human justice is allowed to take its coruse.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[MoonWater]

I'm not doubting the fact that you can still be in God's family and still do some pretty nasty things. What I am saying is that he probably doesn't consider the act murder or raping as an act of service towards him. Call me crazy but I think it's one of those things we can do without.

I'm not speaking of rape and murder in terms of "service" towards God nor did I suggest that it was. I was merely stating that I'm confused about the idea many Christians seem to hold that what you believe matters more than what you do. Can anyone here explain why What you believe should matter more to God than what you do?