Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?

[gwk230]

Well, that doesn't seem to be stopping you from deciding yourself why pork was banned.

True. I chose to choose the writings within the Torah to tell me the will of my creator. I need nothing else. :beach:

 

[Perfect Circle]

Well, that is one way of looking at it though it is my understanding that I try not to put my thoughts and feelings over the one who created me.

So you're dropping your claim that ancient peoples didn't eat pork because of health reasons?

 

[gwk230]

So you're dropping your claim that ancient peoples didn't eat pork because of health reasons?

No, where did you come up with that?

 

[Perfect Circle]

I personally believe that there has always been a knowledge that certain foods were not for our consumption and that it would lead to health problems. I just can't prove it as yet. Thus far all I have is what is written in Torah which insinuates such.

If the prohibition was for health reasons I would think all meat would be banned.

Well, that is one way of looking at it though it is my understanding that I try not to put my thoughts and feelings over the one who created me.

So you're dropping your claim that ancient peoples didn't eat pork because of health reasons?

No, where did you come up with that?

It seems like you're conceding the point in the 3rd post. Just wondering.

 

[gwk230]

It seems like you're conceding the point in the 3rd post. Just wondering.

Oh no, I see where you might think as such but in no way was that my intent. My understanding is that Yah created us and thus knows what is right and good, as well as wrong and bad, for us. Being for those of us who understand that obeying his commands is for our good and long life we know from the onset that these things are for our health and long life that we abstain from those things that are considered an abomination unto Yah our Elohim.

 

[rcscwc]

A message to Seyorni who turned this topic to a veg and non-veg debate, and to all of the hindus
Hindu scriptures permit meat ,Seyorni prefers useing the word vedanta to the loanword word in Arabic language "Hindu" which means Indian. Seems right vedanta means follower of the vedas.
So what with the speach against non-vegetarianism?
Regveda Book.10 humn.16 v.10: You can have meat.
Regveda Book.10 humn.85 v.13 and Regveda Book.10 humn.86 v.13 say the same thing
See more refrence in the Hindu scriptures and Bible YouTube - Zakir Naik - Is Non-Veg Food Prohibited in Major religions?

So ancient Hindus ate meat. So what does it prove? Nothing except that ancient Hindus ate meat. Does it prove that meat was eaten by each and every ancient Hindu? NO.


So, some ancient Hindus ate meat. Does it become incumbent upon present Hindus to eat meat? No.

Fact is, meat is not prohibited to Hindus, but is advised against. Many Hindus DO NOT TAKE MEAT.

Naik is a jerk.

 

[syberpriend]

So ancient Hindus ate meat. So what does it prove? Nothing except that ancient Hindus ate meat. Does it prove that meat was eaten by each and every ancient Hindu? NO.


So, some ancient Hindus ate meat. Does it become incumbent upon present Hindus to eat meat? No.

Fact is, meat is not prohibited to Hindus, but is advised against. Many Hindus DO NOT TAKE MEAT.

Naik is a jerk.

If meat is not prohibited in Hindus, who advised against it? its the only country to claim and start movement.
If many hindus dont eat meat, same as many muslims, wats the point of Zakir Naik being a jerk in this?? r u ill?

 

[syberpriend]

Muslims dont eat pork coz Muslims are civilized, and clean by nature, Pork is the dirtiest animal on earth, so dirty ppl eat Pork, not Muslims

 

[Breathe]

Muslims dont eat pork coz Muslims are civilized, and clean by nature, Pork is the dirtiest animal on earth, so dirty ppl eat Pork, not Muslims

I find that phrase not only offensive, but also rude, and baseless. The fact is chickens are dirtier animals than pigs. Please return to read the first few pages.

 

[McBell]

Muslims dont eat pork coz Muslims are civilized, and clean by nature, Pork is the dirtiest animal on earth, so dirty ppl eat Pork, not Muslims

what a load of bull ****.
Muslims don't eat pork because they think that their chosen god told them to not eat pork.
No big mystery there.

 

[syberpriend]

I find that phrase not only offensive, but also rude, and baseless. The fact is chickens are dirtier animals than pigs. Please return to read the first few pages.

Whats offensive in this? did i mention any particular sect or ppl with name?
and by the way, chicken dont eat their own discharge, pig is famous for its dirtiness. check medical history and medical recomendation for pigs.

 

[syberpriend]

what a load of bull ****.
Muslims don't eat pork because they think that their chosen god told them to not eat pork.
No big mystery there.

Its not only muslims who are told not to eat, jews, so-called christians, hindus, all are told in their scriptures not to eat pork coz of its un-hygennic and dirtiness, want proof?

 

[Breathe]

Whats offensive in this? did i mention any particular sect or ppl with name?

Doesn't matter. It's still offensive.

and by the way, chicken dont eat their own discharge, pig is famous for its dirtiness. check medical history and medical recomendation for pigs.

Actually, chickens do eat their own poop. My wife used to help on a farm (who specialized in pigs, but they also have chickens and such) for ten years, until she was 17 years old. She never once saw a pig eat its own poop.

For a fantastic explanation on chickens and pigs, and why pigs are not filthy animals by nature except by necessity, please see post four of this thread, or click here.

Or see the following quote, from post four.

Pigs are adapted to cool northern forests. Direct sunlight and temperatures over 98 degrees F. will kill them.

They have poor thermoregulation -- they don't sweat. In hot weather pigs need to wallow & like to cover their bare skin with mud. If no mud is available they will use feces (Below 84 degrees F pigs will choose an out of the way corner to excrete, above this they begin to excrete indiscriminately). A pig in it's natural environment is a clean animal. In a hot, desert they are forced to wallow and become dirty to survive.*

 

[syberpriend]

Doesn't matter. It's still offensive.
If its offensive, thn y the question is ask, y muslims dont eat port? when every1 knows the answer?
Actually, chickens do eat their own poop. My wife used to help on a farm (who specialized in pigs, but they also have chickens and such) for ten years, until she was 17 years old. She never once saw a pig eat its own poop.

For a fantastic explanation on chickens and pigs, and why pigs are not filthy animals by nature except by necessity, please see post four of this thread, or click here.

Or see the following quote, from post four.

I think u r living in a very remote place, away from normal civilization,
let me tel u, 1st dont compare chcken with port, coz the topic is for pork, not for chicken

The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced through reason,logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most dangerous is Taenia Solium, which is in lay man’s terminology called tapeworm. It harbours in the intestine and is very long.
Its ova i.e. eggs, enter the blood stream and can reach almost all the organs of the body. If it enters the brain it can cause memory loss. If it enters the heart it can cause heart attack, if it enters the eye it can cause blindness, if it enters the liver it can cause liver damage. It can damage almost all the organs of the body. Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis.

A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die.
In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four
people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very
well. This indicates that the ova present in the pork do not die under normal
cooking temperature.​

Pork has fat building material​

Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of fat. This fat
gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension and heart attack. It is
not surprising that over 50% of Americans suffer from hypertension.​

Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth​

The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck,
faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that God has produced. In
the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open
air. Very often excreta is cleared by pigs.
Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are bred in very
clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic conditions the pigs are
kept together in sties. No matter how hard you try to keep them clean they are
filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy their own as well as their neighbour’s
excreta.
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Pig is the most shameless animal​

The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only
animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people
consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives;
i.e. many say “you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife.” If you eat​

pigs then you behave like pigs.

Now, let me rephrase, I know u wont agree still on this, thn wats the use of discussion? so think with open mind, even semetic & non-semetic religion prohibts pork, references u know urself.Thanks

 

[Breathe]

If its offensive, thn y the question is ask, y muslims dont eat port? when every1 knows the answer?

Because the Bible prohibits it, and because of the heat of the climate pigs are not as clean as they are in northern climates. What I find offensive is that 'Muslims do not eat pork because they are clean, only dirty people eat pork'.

I think u r living in a very remote place, away from normal civilization,

Please do not assume anything about me. I in fact live in a large-ish city with a high population of both Sikhs and Muslims.

let me tel u, 1st dont compare chcken with port, coz the topic is for pork, not for chicken

Yet as I explained, you said pigs eat their own fecal matter; I pointed out chickens do, and yet they are still eaten.

Now, let me rephrase, I know u wont agree still on this, thn wats the use of discussion? so think with open mind,

Just because I disagree does not mean I am not thinking with an open mind. I have heard and read all of the information that has been posted on why people do not eat pork many times. Reading it several times, nor accusing me of having a closed mind, does not make it correct (ps, please don't plagiarize as it's against forum rules).

even semetic & non-semetic religion prohibts pork, references u know urself.Thanks

Not all. Buddha ate pork for one.

For the record, I'm vegetarian. I just happen to find what the claim anyone who eats pork is 'dirty' to be incredibly offensive.

 

[syberpriend]

Because the Bible prohibits it, and because of the heat of the climate pigs are not as clean as they are in northern climates. What I find offensive is that 'Muslims do not eat pork because they are clean, only dirty people eat pork'.
Where u got the verse that Bible prohibts it? can u show the verse? so dirty ppl eat ppork, wats offfensive in this? if some1 is not eating, even its non-muslim, they wont think themselve dirty, dont take it personaly
Please do not assume anything about me. I in fact live in a large-ish city with a high population of both Sikhs and Muslims.
Yet as I explained, you said pigs eat their own fecal matter; I pointed out chickens do, and yet they are still eaten.


Just because I disagree does not mean I am not thinking with an open mind. I have heard and read all of the information that has been posted on why people do not eat pork many times. Reading it several times, nor accusing me of having a closed mind, does not make it correct (ps, please don't plagiarize as it's against forum rules).
I didnt used anywhere u r having close mind, or I gave personal remarks, I said this attitude should be remove, that whatever claim we make, ppl have attitude of not accepting it, coz they made up their mind, its nthing personal in this I guess.
Not all. Buddha ate pork for one.
Did u se urself him eating

For the record, I'm vegetarian. I just happen to find what the claim anyone who eats pork is 'dirty' to be incredibly offensive.

I told u, who dont eat, even if non-muslim, they wont mind, u dont eat also, so y u mind, means u r clean, wats the offense?

 

[Breathe]

Where u got the verse that Bible prohibts it? can u show the verse? so dirty ppl eat ppork, wats offfensive in this? if some1 is not eating, even its non-muslim, they wont think themselve dirty, dont take it personaly

Leviticus 11:7-8: And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

Did u se urself him eating

Why would someone lie about that?

I told u, who dont eat, even if non-muslim, they wont mind, u dont eat also, so y u mind, means u r clean, wats the offense?

I mind because I dislike stereotyping people, as well as calling people 'dirty' because of what they eat. For example, many people in China and in the West eat pork (I believe pork is one of the favourite meats ,if not the favourite meat, of most Chinese, excluding those who don't eat it for religious/ethical reasons). To say that they are dirty based on that is the same as saying anyone who eats camel, horse, chicken, eggs, etc is dirty. It's rude, baseless and offensive.

 

[syberpriend]

Leviticus 11:7-8: And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.
So, wat is writen? does it say in Bible that it is clean? or its allowed for u>?
Why would someone lie about that?
how u know Buddha was real? maybe its only story or myth, like u say for prophets

I mind because I dislike stereotyping people, as well as calling people 'dirty' because of what they eat. For example, many people in China and in the West eat pork (I believe pork is one of the favourite meats ,if not the favourite meat, of most Chinese, excluding those who don't eat it for religious/ethical reasons). To say that they are dirty based on that is the same as saying anyone who eats camel, horse, chicken, eggs, etc is dirty. It's rude, baseless and offensive.

Anyways, its my time to sleep. have a good day

 

[McBell]

Its not only muslims who are told not to eat, jews, so-called christians, hindus, all are told in their scriptures not to eat pork coz of its un-hygennic and dirtiness, want proof?

so what?

So there are a whole bunch of people from different religious belief systems who think that their chosen god does not want them to eat pork..

it does not change the fact that the reason they do not eat pork is simply because they think that they are obeying their chosen deity by not eating pork.

Prove what?
That some "holy texts" say to not eat pork?

Are you honestly that retarded?
That is what I said: they don't eat pork because they believe their god said to not eat pork.

 

[Gharib]

what a load of bull ****.
Muslims don't eat pork because they think that their chosen god told them to not eat pork.
No big mystery there.

pork is bad for the human body, it is high in colesterol and contains alot of fat, not only that but many studies have shown that pork contains many harmful bacteria. and in islam anything that is harmful to humans is forbiden and unlawful.

Pork, source of 'bad' bacteria: studies

New studies on food safety have found pork may contain even more dangerous germs than poultry.
The findings were presented at the 2001 Interscience Conference on Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy in Chicago.
A team of researchers at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tested nearly 600 packages of ground pork purchased from different grocery stores in five states.

They found high levels of Enterococci bacteria, a common cause of food poisoning that is resistant to antibiotic drugs.

Scientists say patients who have antibiotic-resistant enterococcal infections have a death rate of 37 per cent.
Enterococci were found on three per cent of ground pork.
"With pork chops or steaks, you've got bacteria contamination on the outside," says lead researcher Jennifer McClennan.
And with ground meats, the bacteria are found throughout, making them more dangerous.
"You've got to make sure to cook (pork) thoroughly."
As a result, McClennan says cooks should follow stringent practices when they prepare pork and anything cooked less than medium is probably not a good idea.
Another study presented at the symposium raised further concerns about pork.
Dutch researchers found the Enterococci bacteria in pigs cause more trouble for humans than the same type of bacteria found in poultry.
The researchers recommended farmers use antibiotics sparingly on their animals.
About half of the antibiotics given to animals worldwide are used so they can grow bigger and remain disease-free.
The continuous exposure to antibiotics can also alter the balance of good to bad germs, promoting the antibiotic-resistant strain of bacteria in the animal.
Resistant strains can be passed on to humans when they consume the meat of the animal. Researchers found these bacteria in pork seemed to survive and thrive longer in humans than those found in poultry.

CBC News - Pork, source of 'bad' bacteria: studies

another link you may want to visit

Why Pork is Prohibited in Islam