Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?

[Smoke]

But pork is no less subject to rot than chevon, beef or mutton, and these were eaten extensively.

And certainly no less subject to disease than chicken. Chickens also behave much worse than pigs. I like to hear roosters crowing in the morning, but I don't think I've ever met a chicken I really liked.

 

[hindupridemn]

no animal is unclean. also, no animal is it ok to eat.

 

[zenzero]

Friends,

Just like everyone to see another point of view.

1. There are two reasons for humans eating, one is just to nourish the body so that it remains healthy and the other is taste. Taste is developed after birth due to the environment like family, society, culture etc.

a] If humans stick to eat what the body requires then one would find that one's body could live on leaves, fruits, nuts, vegetables and may not kill animals for food.

b] Those who go for food which tastes good will go to any extent to even kill another animal life for it. So, if one eats, chicken, mutton, pork or beef; they all come to the same point.

Choice of food is individuals as is the journey towards enlightenment.
just remember that if one is after taste then his attachment towards what he eats remains and towards enlightenment all attachments have to be dropped.

Free will means freedom to choose and intelligence *buddhi* is required to make the choice which makes the individual a *buddha* or remain a *buddhu* [fool].

Love & rgds

 

[McBell]

no animal is unclean. also, no animal is it ok to eat.

Then it is a good thing I do not subscribe to your belief system....

 

[Valjean]

The argument that the underlying reason pork is forbidden is that it's unhealthful, harbors disease, parasites, and, especially trichinosis doesn't hold water either.

Diseases can be transmitted by "clean" animals just as easily as by pigs and, in many cases, more readily. Tapeworms are more associated with beef than pork. Brucilllosis was a common animal transmitted disease, but the more serious cases are associated with cows, goats and sheep, not pigs. And anthrax -- "woolsorter's disease" is not associated with swine at all.

Saladin's physician, Rabi Maimonides, in 12th C. Cairo, did declare that God's ban on pork was because of health concerns: pork "has a bad and damaging effect upon the body." But he had no explanation for this, nor did he offer any evidence.

The fact is, the ban on pork predated any general knowledge that it might be unhealthful. It wasn't till the mid 1800s that the link between undercooked pork and trichinosis was discovered. And what effect did this have? -- Jews rejoiced and started eating pork! An orthodox backlash put a damper on the fad, though, maintaining that if the reason God condemned pork was a health issue He would have banned only the eating of undercooked pork.

The ban was socio-economic. See post #4.

 

[Zhakir]

the modern state of Israel states that polygamy is illegal, the people in Israel who do get to marry more than one wife are of Muslims decent, the state of Israel does not enforce that law on the Bedouin communities for example.
so please, don't post inaccurate information, I have yet to meet ANY Jewish man who is married to more than one wife, and I know quite a few

I Said

Polygyny is permitted in Judaism. According to Talmudic law, Abraham had three wives, and Solomon had hundreds of wives. The practice of polygyny continued till Rabbi Gershom ben Yehudah (955 C.E to 1030 C.E) issued an edict against it. The Jewish Sephardic communities living in Muslim countries continued the practice till as late as 1950, until an Act of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel extended the ban on marrying more than one wife.

What is the point of quoting "Polygyny is permitted in Judaism" alone?.Anyone who read what i said, will realize that you didn't reply at all.In Judasim i'm speaking not in the modren state of isreal.

 

[led by the spirit]

For me If the Father say's it's unclean to eat then it's unclean.He would know better than anyone.I stopped eating it and really dont miss it at all.Infact its all in the seasoning,Ive had beef sausage that tastes just like pork.Take away the seasoning in pork most will not eat it.

 

[Caladan]

I Said

What is the point of quoting "Polygyny is permitted in Judaism" alone?.Anyone who read what i said, will realize that you didn't reply at all.In Judasim i'm speaking not in the modren state of isreal.

Really?
please show me a study with statistics of how many Jewish men have more than one wife!
BTW, it is spelled ISRAEL.

 

[Zhakir]

Really?
please show me a study with statistics of how many Jewish men have more than one wife!
BTW, it is spelled ISRAEL.

What really? Polygyny being permitted in judaism ? Yes really
According to Talmudic law, Abraham had three wives, and Solomon had hundreds of wives. The practice of polygyny continued till Rabbi Gershom ben Yehudah (955 C.E to 1030 C.E) issued an edict against it.The Jewish Sephardic communities living in Muslim countries continued the practice till as late as 1950, until an Act of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel extended the ban on marrying more than one wife.
And because of that today the Jewish men stopped the practice.

 

[Caladan]

What really? Polygyny being permitted in judaism ? Yes really
According to Talmudic law, Abraham had three wives, and Solomon had hundreds of wives. The practice of polygyny continued till Rabbi Gershom ben Yehudah (955 C.E to 1030 C.E) issued an edict against it.The Jewish Sephardic communities living in Muslim countries continued the practice till as late as 1950, until an Act of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel extended the ban on marrying more than one wife.
And because of that today the Jewish men stopped the practice.

You are not listening, are you?
how many Jewish man TODAY have more than one wife?
I'm not talking about a possibly fictional king of the Iron Age. or a few people who lived in Muslim cultures. and BTW I know countless Jews who are originally from Muslim lands, and none of them have more than one wife.

 

[Zhakir]

A message to Seyorni who turned this topic to a veg and non-veg debate, and to all of the hindus
Hindu scriptures permit meat ,Seyorni prefers useing the word vedanta to the loanword word in Arabic language "Hindu" which means Indian. Seems right vedanta means follower of the vedas.
So what with the speach against non-vegetarianism?
Regveda Book.10 humn.16 v.10: You can have meat.
Regveda Book.10 humn.85 v.13 and Regveda Book.10 humn.86 v.13 say the same thing
See more refrence in the Hindu scriptures and Bible YouTube - Zakir Naik - Is Non-Veg Food Prohibited in Major religions?

 

[monta]

So to summarise

Pork is forbidden because it is not healthy
Other meat despite also being not healthy is not forbidden because it's not pig.
If you eat pork you will act like a pig, if you eat lamb you won't act like a sheep because it isn't pig.
Pigs eat their own faeces proving they are filthy animals, other animals eat their own faeces but they are not filthy animals because they are not pigs.
Pigs invite other pigs to have sex with their mates and if you eat pigmeat this type of thing will seem appealing to you also.

 

[McBell]

So to summarise

Pork is forbidden because it is not healthy
Other meat despite also being not healthy is not forbidden because it's not pig.
If you eat pork you will act like a pig, if you eat lamb you won't act like a sheep because it isn't pig.
Pigs eat their own faeces proving they are filthy animals, other animals eat their own faeces but they are not filthy animals because they are not pigs.
Pigs invite other pigs to have sex with their mates and if you eat pigmeat this type of thing will seem appealing to you also.

seems you got it in a nutshell.

And some people wonder why they are not taken seriously....

 

[gwk230]

What really? Polygyny being permitted in judaism ? Yes really
According to Talmudic law, Abraham had three wives, and Solomon had hundreds of wives. The practice of polygyny continued till Rabbi Gershom ben Yehudah (955 C.E to 1030 C.E) issued an edict against it.The Jewish Sephardic communities living in Muslim countries continued the practice till as late as 1950, until an Act of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel extended the ban on marrying more than one wife.
And because of that today the Jewish men stopped the practice.

Zhakir,
　
Don't dismay. Some of us completely understand exactly where you are coming from and what you are saying. I believe you have listened completely to some that rant on other than what you have stated which is truth on polygyny. You speak of where there is no prohibition in Torah and that it was something that was in fact enjoyed by those who could within the realms of Torah. I see where you have even stated that it was even tolerated by the modern day rabbinates up until a certain time where yet they do what they are so famous for and added to that which was written so many thousands of years before to that of their own traditions and not that of Elohim. There is nothing in knowing if there were a large group that had multiple wives or not because we already know that it wasn’t a large group then, or now, but what we do know is that at that time, as it is now, the Torah did not forbid it as it does not forbid it today for those who can perform it within the bounds of Torah. What man does through his own thoughts and feelings by adding to, or taking away from, Torah has no effect towards righteousness but unrighteousness because they put what they think and feel above that of Yah’s. So really and truly, to me, it does not matter if some man that esteems himself as a “Great one”, as in the true meaning of the Hebrew word “rabbi”, makes up his own rules through his own thoughts and feelings as to Torah or not. If I followed the man made religion of rabbinical judaism I might be forced within my understanding to abide by such nonsense but all I can say is “Praise be to Yah” that I am not. I am just so thankful to Elohim that he has so blessed me with a Moreh, Hebrew for “teacher”, that refuses to compromise on the true unadulterated word of Yah. All praise and glory be to Yah my Elohim! :bow:
　
And to think this thread was a question to do with pork and Islam. LOL It seems that those who relish in their abominations would stop at nothing to defend such nastiness. :slap:
　
As to the eating of this nasty creature, I have sat back and read this and that as those have came in here and posted page after page of their rhetoric and have yet to see any that post their sources. I can find so much just by doing a keyword search through the internet as to the health hazards of pork no matter how well you cook it or by how much you eat. Most of what I find to do with those scripturally clean animals that may pose a risk is for the most part to do with the amount. Everyone knows that to much of anything is bad for you. :eat:

For the most part though, I really do not care if pork is healthy to eat or not. My Father told me through his Torah not to eat it and that is all I need to keep myself from it. :yes:

 

[YmirGF]

So to summarise

Pork is forbidden because it is not healthy
Other meat despite also being not healthy is not forbidden because it's not pig.
If you eat pork you will act like a pig, if you eat lamb you won't act like a sheep because it isn't pig.
Pigs eat their own faeces proving they are filthy animals, other animals eat their own faeces but they are not filthy animals because they are not pigs.
Pigs invite other pigs to have sex with their mates and if you eat pigmeat this type of thing will seem appealing to you also.

Yep. That does seem to sum things up pretty well.

 

[Zhakir]

So to summarise

Pork is forbidden because it is not healthy
Other meat despite also being not healthy is not forbidden because it's not pig.
If you eat pork you will act like a pig, if you eat lamb you won't act like a sheep because it isn't pig.
Pigs eat their own faeces proving they are filthy animals, other animals eat their own faeces but they are not filthy animals because they are not pigs.
Pigs invite other pigs to have sex with their mates and if you eat pigmeat this type of thing will seem appealing to you also.

You summrised some of your misconceptions.Yes pork is forbidden because it is not healthy
But I never said this:

Other meat despite also being not healthy is not forbidden because it's not pig.

Other unhealthy meat is forbidden in Islam. According to various authentic Ahadith narrated in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim including hadith narrated by Ibn Abbas in Sahih Muslim, Book of hunting and slaughter, Hadith No. 4752 and Sunan Ibn-I-Majah chapter 13 Hadith no. 3232 to 3234, the Holy Prophet (pbuh) prohibited the eating of:

1. Wild animals with canine teeth, i.e. meat eating carnivorous animals. These are animals belonging to the cat families such as lion, tiger, cats, dogs, wolfs, hyenas, etc.
2. Certain rodents like mice, rats, rabbits with claws, etc.
3. Certain reptiles like snakes, alligators, etc.
4. Birds of prey with talons or claws, like vultures, eagle, crows, owl, etc.

The food we eat effects on our behavior ,your comments and jocks didn't disprove this.

 

[Zhakir]

Zhakir,
　
Don't dismay. Some of us completely understand exactly where you are coming from and what you are saying. I believe you have listened completely to some that rant on other than what you have stated which is truth on polygyny. You speak of where there is no prohibition in Torah and that it was something that was in fact enjoyed by those who could within the realms of Torah. I see where you have even stated that it was even tolerated by the modern day rabbinates up until a certain time where yet they do what they are so famous for and added to that which was written so many thousands of years before to that of their own traditions and not that of Elohim. There is nothing in knowing if there were a large group that had multiple wives or not because we already know that it wasn’t a large group then, or now, but what we do know is that at that time, as it is now, the Torah did not forbid it as it does not forbid it today for those who can perform it within the bounds of Torah. What man does through his own thoughts and feelings by adding to, or taking away from, Torah has no effect towards righteousness but unrighteousness because they put what they think and feel above that of Yah’s. So really and truly, to me, it does not matter if some man that esteems himself as a “Great one”, as in the true meaning of the Hebrew word “rabbi”, makes up his own rules through his own thoughts and feelings as to Torah or not. If I followed the man made religion of rabbinical judaism I might be forced within my understanding to abide by such nonsense but all I can say is “Praise be to Yah” that I am not. I am just so thankful to Elohim that he has so blessed me with a Moreh, Hebrew for “teacher”, that refuses to compromise on the true unadulterated word of Yah. All praise and glory be to Yah my Elohim! :bow:
　
And to think this thread was a question to do with pork and Islam. LOL It seems that those who relish in their abominations would stop at nothing to defend such nastiness. :slap:
　
As to the eating of this nasty creature, I have sat back and read this and that as those have came in here and posted page after page of their rhetoric and have yet to see any that post their sources. I can find so much just by doing a keyword search through the internet as to the health hazards of pork no matter how well you cook it or by how much you eat. Most of what I find to do with those scripturally clean animals that may pose a risk is for the most part to do with the amount. Everyone knows that to much of anything is bad for you. :eat:

For the most part though, I really do not care if pork is healthy to eat or not. My Father told me through his Torah not to eat it and that is all I need to keep myself from it. :yes:

The best one who talks here :yes:. RF's best post !.
Arimoff,Caladan,Monta,YimrGF and others i think this is for you to reply.

 

[gwk230]

The best one who talks here :yes:. RF's best post !.

I don't know about all that but thank you very kindly. I do, however, have to give all praise and glory to my Father Yah my Elohim for without him I am nothing. Praise Yah!

 

[YmirGF]

The best one who talks here :yes:. RF's best post !.
Arimoff,Caladan,Monta,YimrGF and others i think this is for you to reply.

What exactly is there to reply to, Zhakir? The truth is that there are fanatics in all religions, not just Islam.

 

[gwk230]

What exactly is there to reply to, Zhakir? The truth is that there are fanatics in all religions, not just Islam.

Hey! I resemble that remark.