Why is the hope of Michelle Obama so fragile and fleeting?

[metis]

Christians are called to be discerning which involves appropriate questioning

There's a difference between "discerning" versus "insulting", and your post crossed that line. If I say after reading your posts "Gee, I wonder if whirlingerc is a real Christian?", doncha sorta that's pretty insulting? [rhetorical]

 

[tytlyf]

Christians are called to be discerning which involves appropriate questioning

So you agree that climate change/global warming is happening due to pollution from the fossil fuel industry?

 

[Oeste]

Personally, I cut Melania a lot of slack on that because it may have been put in by a speech-writer or checked but maybe missed by a speech-writer.

I cut her a lot of slack also Metis. I don't think for a moment she would have lifted a speech if she knew beforehand it wasn't original or her own. This was her first major speech, and like anyone, she really wanted to make a good impression.

Unfortunately, I'm sure some over-worked guy who was asked at the last moment to become a speech writer thought he had found a way to take a short-cut.

I just wish both first ladies would be cut the same amount of slack. Perhaps they have and I'm just not aware of it, but I think we're better concentrating on Obama, Trump and the central candidate's personalities and policies than we are with first ladies. The whole theme of this thread "Why is Michelle's hope so fragile and fleeting" seems rather contrived and petty.

 

[tytlyf]

I just wish both first ladies would be cut the same amount of slack.

Good luck with that. Some people think Michelle is a man. But they only say things like that towards black women in general. It's a pattern with millions of people.

 

[pearl]

Don't be silly. The "hope" was that Democrats would win the election. That hope was gone the day after the election.

In other words, Democrats were feeling the same way Republicans felt 4 years before.

Not quite. This is beyond any disappointment caused by loosing the election. I am not a republican, but would not have questioned the competency of most of the other republican candidates even though I don't agree with most of their ideas. I'm afraid we will soon realize just how fragile is our Republic.

 

[whirlingmerc]

And 1030 congressional and gubernatorial Democratic seats were lost under Obama.... suggesting... both he and the DNC was and are out of touch with a broad range of people although he promised to be president of all.

Hope should not be so fragile.

 

[metis]

And 1030 congressional and gubernatorial Democratic seats were lost under Obama.... suggesting... both he and the DNC was and are out of touch with a broad range of people although he promised to be president of all.

Hope should not be so fragile.

I have called it a "societal temper tantrum", and this same "temper tantrum" did not just happen here in the States.

If were to list the "culprits" that are causing this international temper-tantrum, the number one villain is Mr. Computerized Mechanization that is and has been removing millions upon millions of people from jobs.

And the number two villain is Mrs. Free Trade, who spreads her charms to the CEO's and business owners but at the expense of workers who take cuts in pay and benefits to try and keep what jobs they can find.

I'm old-- er, I mean mature-- enough to remember that I could walk into a factory, put in my application, and be on the job within a day or two, and this job could feed a family. Can one do that now in most cases?

 

[habiru]

Lots of other people have hope, yet she has no hope and feels there is no hope?
After 8 years in office which isn't even over? and she has no hope?


As a Christian, if she is, should she not have a hope that endures through tribulations of many sort?

Well they had almost broken so many people's will to keep on trying to expose the truth about Monsanto. GMO's that they helped the creators of these products to keep it from being known. There were no hope at all. They were trying to get the whole entire world to accept and eat this product without questioning. But now we have a new sheriff (President Trump) in town, that will not put the corporations over the people. but they had almost broken the spirits of all those that feel free to express their own view.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No.
I expect that as time passes, she'll see that election wins shift back & forth between
the parties, & that not getting one's way shouldn't mean losing hope in the future.

That's easy to say when it's not your civil rights and liberties that may be on the chopping block if the VP-elect any horde of Religious Conservatives have their way.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's easy to say when it's not your civil rights and liberties that may be on the chopping block if the VP-elect any horde of Religious Conservatives have their way.

That's easy for you to say when your rights have been less threatened than mine.

See how such lines work?
They convince no one.
Although it should suggest that you're not the only one threatened by politicians.
And some of the biggest threats are Democrats, who have killed tens of thousands
of my people (low draft number healthy males).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's easy for you to say when your rights have been less threatened than mine.

See how such lines work?
They convince no one.
Although it should suggest that you're not the only one threatened by politicians.
And some of the biggest threats are Democrats, who have killed tens of thousands
of my people (low draft number healthy males).

If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend Pence isn't a proven threat to personal liberty due to his deep devotion to his Conservative religious beliefs, that's on you.

 

[Revoltingest]

If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend Pence isn't a proven threat to personal liberty due to his deep devotion to his Conservative religious beliefs, that's on you.

Is my head in the sand or is yours?
When threats come at us from both sides, tis best to be wary of both.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Is my head in the sand or is yours?
When threats come at us from both sides, tis best to be wary of both.

What threats to personal liberties has Hillary or Kaine posed?

 

[Revoltingest]

What threats to personal liberties has Hillary or Kaine posed?

War, gun rights, economic liberty, & the risk that Obamcare could morph into the long dead (deservedly so) Hillary care.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

War, gun rights, economic liberty, & the risk that Obamcare could morph into the long dead (deservedly so) Hillary care.

They are no different when it comes to war as they'd both be bombing the same targets. She was not a threat or danger to gun rights. She was not a threat or danger to economic liberty. And getting stuck with the ACA is far better than getting stuck with it getting scraped and nothing replacing it. It's also much easier to change a bill from within rather than scraping it and passing a new one.

 

[Revoltingest]

They are no different when it comes to war as they'd both be bombing the same targets. She was not a threat or danger to gun rights. She was not a threat or danger to economic liberty. And getting stuck with the ACA is far better than getting stuck with it getting scraped and nothing replacing it. It's also much easier to change a bill from within rather than scraping it and passing a new one.

We disagree on many of those things.
I don't ignore the things which concern you.
I just weigh the threats differently.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We disagree on many of those things.

She wasn't coming for your guns. She hardly even talked about them. She was not telling you how or where to spend your money. They have both expressed desires to bomb the same groups of people. Those are facts. It's not disagreeing with me, it's disagreeing with the reality that neither one of us would have had our guns taken away from us.

 

[Revoltingest]

She wasn't coming for your guns. She hardly even talked about them. She was not telling you how or where to spend your money. They have both expressed desires to bomb the same groups of people. Those are facts. It's not disagreeing with me, it's disagreeing with the reality that neither one of us would have had our guns taken away from us.

You disagree, but I say shes a threat to gun rights, even if it's not so extreme as taking them away.
Her relative silence on the issue doesn't mean she favors our rights.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Her relative silence on the issue doesn't mean she favors our rights.

So you are holding speculation over silence to mean the same thing as a proven track record?

 

[habiru]

What threats to personal liberties has Hillary or Kaine posed?