Aquitaine
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An important distinction. Fair enough.I know
unforunetly that's did not help.
I am talking about goverments, I didn't mean to generalizing to people
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An important distinction. Fair enough.I know
unforunetly that's did not help.
I am talking about goverments, I didn't mean to generalizing to people
But Muslims ruled for hundreds of years and the Jews were in Spain living in peace.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_Spain
So how did Rambam turn up in Cairo?
Hint: It ain't the Christians fault!
For I am such a nice person have a very relevant poem
Ahah Yarad Al Sefarad by Rabbi Abraham ibn Ezra
"O woe! Misfortune from heaven has fallen upon Sefarad!
My eyes, my eyes flow with tears!
My eyes weep like ostriches on account of Lucena!
The Exile dwelt there blamelessly in safety
Without interruption for a thousand and seventy years.
But the day came when her people were banished and she became like a widow,
Without Torah study or biblical recitation, the Mishnah sealed shut,
The Talmud as though desolate, all its glory vanished.
With murderers and mourners this way and that,
The place of prayer and praise reduced to ill-repute.
That is why I weep and beat my hands, laments forever on my lips;
I cannot remain silent. Would that my head were spring of water.
I shave my head and weep bitterly for the exile of Seville -
For its nobles are corpses and their sons captives,
Their elegant daughters handed over to a foreign religion.
How was Cordoba plundered and become like a desolate sea?
There sages and great men died in famine and
Not a Jew besides me is left in Jaen or Almeria.
Majorca and Malaga are without sustenance
And the Jews who remained received a festering blow.
That is why I mourn, learn to wail bitterly, and utter so grievous a lament!
My howls in my anguish- let them melt away like water.
Woe, like woman in labor I cry out for the community of Sijilmasa.
A city of eminent scholars and sages whose brilliance eclipsed the darkness.
The Talmud's pillar bent, its structure destroyed,
The Mishnah subjected to scorn and trampled underfoot.
The enemy's eye took no pity on precious ones run through.
O woe! The entire community of Fez is naught
Where is the protection of the community of Tlemcen, its glory melted away?
I raise a bitter wail for Ceuta and Meknes
And rent my clothing over Der'a earlier seized
One Shabbat day, its sons' and daughters' blood shed like water.
What can I maintain? On account of my sin all this has happened
And disaster has overcome me from my God, the Rock of my strength.
For whom can I hope? What can I say? I have done it all by my own hand!
My heart is enraged within me for my sould has been perverse
And from its land, its chosen territory, it has ben exiled to an unclean soil
Too shamed and dumb, too weak to relate its catastrophes.
With pain in her heart she hopes for the kindness of her Rock
To ordain redemption from enslavement while she seeks refuge in the shadow of His wings.
Ever imprisoned, she comes alive when she mentiones His Name.
Tears on her cheeks, she is held by a maidservant who
Fires a bow directly at her until the Lord looks down from heaven."
Bonus points for figuring out who the Maidservant represents.
Wrong, try again.
Reminding its a poem.
The maidservant wasn't a human, so what she was, tell us.
Do you think the maidservant is less than any human and you're more human than the maidservant?
As i expected the author of the poem was a racist and you're proud of him.
"Bonus points for figuring out who the Maidservant >>> represents <<<."
Verb
represent (third-person singular simple present represents, present participle representing, simple past and past participle represented)
- To present again or anew; to present by means of something standing in the place of; to exhibit the counterpart or image of; to typify.
- To portray by pictorial or plastic art; to delineate; as, to represent a landscape in a picture, a horse in bronze, and the like.
- To portray by mimicry or action of any kind; to act the part or character of; to personate; as, to represent Hamlet.
- To stand in the place of; to supply the place, perform the duties, exercise the rights, or receive the share, of; to speak and act with authority in behalf of; to act the part of (another); as, an heir represents his ancestor; an attorney represents his client in court; a member of Congress represents his district in Congress.
- To exhibit to another mind in language; to show; to give one's own impressions and judgement of; to bring before the mind; to set forth; sometimes, to give an account of; to describe.
He represented that he was investigating for the police department.- To serve as a sign or symbol of; as, mathematical symbols represent quantities or relations; words represent ideas or things.
- To bring a sensation of into the mind or sensorium; to cause to be known, felt, or apprehended; to present.
- To form or image again in consciousness, as an object of cognition or apprehension (something presentative, which was originally apprehended by direct presentation).
- To constitute, to make up, to be a example of.
- (African American Vernacular) To constitute a good example or symbol of a group of people; to acquit oneself well.
Noun
representation (plural representations)
- That which represents another. <<< !!!
The Venus of Willendorf was an early representation of the female body.- (law) The lawyers and staff who argue on behalf of another in court.
People who cannot afford representation are eligible for government assistance.- (politics) The ability to elect a representative to speak on one's behalf in government; the role of this representative in government.
The lack of representation in the British parliament was one of the main factors behind the American Revolution.- (mathematics) An object that describes an abstract group in terms of linear transformations of vector spaces.
- A figure, image or idea that substitutes reality. <<< !!!
- A theatrical performance.
So you say it represents people who are lesser than Jews. That is wrong.
You apparently don't know what a representation in a poem is. Which is frankly weird but then again I have no idea if they teach stuff like that in your country.
You probably shouldn't draw conclusion on your wishes of what it could mean and instead think about what the Maidservant could actually represent in late 11th, early 12th century Iberia and in light of the topic of the poem.
Hagar, Arabs, Muslims
You have literally not read the poem in which the Jews are being mistreated by the maidservant. Oh well poems and for what it matters reality aren't for everyone.
So again why did Rambam, Abraham Ibn Ezra and countless other Jews leave Islamic ruled Iberia?
Yes the EU-citizens in the UK are the problem, not the "Asians" and their fun subcultures.
The son of the maidservant slaved the Jews to educate them that humans are
equal, but it seems the lessons weren't enough.
So you actually are okay with what the Almohads did in Iberia. Good to know, will remember that the next time you whine about that forced conversions aren't part of Islam.