Why ISIS are wrong.

[Matemkar]

If a dog bites an ankle, the dog should not be suprised when it gets kicked or shot.

Those dogs (FSA, Taliban, which turned into ISIS and al-Qaeda) were raised and fed by the US, and they are biting the ME and Asian nations. And they should be kicked and killed by the same nations. Not by hypocrites who target both their own dogs and those nations.

If you want to support terrrosim, your free to do so. Oh wait, im sorry maybe you dont have that freedom in your country.

What do you mean by terrorism? And why should I support terrorism? What are you talking about?

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Islamic State has crushed a pocket of resistance to its control in eastern Syria, crucifying two people and executing 23 others in the past five days, a monitoring group said on Monday.

Do you condone this behavior?

I believe you are discussing with me without knowing my stance. Otherwise you wouldn't ask such questions.

Hell with FSA, IF, ISIS, NUSRA, al-Qaeda, Boko Haram cannibals. And hell with the "cops" who created and have supported them.

I condemn them even for breathing, let alone condemning the crimes they commit, because such monsters are disgrace to the entire universe.

 

[icehorse]

Hi Matemkar,

If I assume that you are sincere, and you seem to be, then we share a problem. The problem is that your sources for "facts" disagrees with my sources for "facts". We can never hope to have a useful discussion when we're playing with different sets of "facts".

If any of your sources are in english, i'd be interested in knowing what they are. I think it would be fascinating to do some side by side comparisons.

But for now, you should know that many of the "facts" you use in your arguments don't seem like the "facts" I know. My guess is that you could say the same of my "facts".

 

[Godobeyer]

Icehorse ,outhouse, and all the others

just for let it's clear ISIS and Nusra and Alqaeada ... any Takfir groups are OUR REAL enemy ,I believe most of the muslims agree on that .

I believe this phenomen would be gone ,maybe it's take dozen years , more or less .

some factures of this phenomen is still exist ( racism against muslims in Israel, civil wars in some Muslim countries, povirity ,extremist had media to deliver hate speech , bad involve of the west ....etc)

 

[outhouse]

Icehorse ,outhouse, and all the others

just for let it's clear ISIS and Nusra and Alqaeada ... any Takfir groups are OUR REAL enemy ,I believe most of the muslims agree on that .

I believe this phenomen would be gone ,maybe it's take dozen years , more or less .

some factures of this phenomen is still exist ( racism against muslims in Israel, civil wars in some Muslim countries, povirity ,extremist had media to deliver hate speech , bad involve of the west ....etc)

Thak you for your valuable insight.

 

[Godobeyer]

Thak you for your valuable insight.

you are welcome

 

[redpolk]

I have read the Quran. Which surprises a lot of people. But then one cannot begin to comment on something unless they understand the subject matter.

There are many verses in the Quran that indicate to me that ISIS (and indeed all radicals) are wrong in what they preach and say.

Example verses:


Firstly:

Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, and do not transgress; for Allah loveth not transgressors." (Surah 2, Verse 190)

That is an important one for me, because it seems to indicate (albeit my knowledge is limited) that radicals (who we shall see in a moment are transgressors) are not loved by allah.

•O you who believe! Verily, among your wives and your children there are enemies for you (i.e. may stop you from the obedience of Allah), therefore beware of them! But if you pardon (them) and overlook, and forgive (their faults), then verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Surah 64 verse 14)

•But if they cease (fighting you), Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (Surah 2, Verse 192).

•But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is the One that Heareth and Knoweth (all things)." (Surah 8, Verse 61).

• The prohibited month, for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves." (Surah 2, Verse 194).

• ... and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear Allah: for Allah is strict in punishment." (Surah 5, Verse 2)

• Nor can Goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!" (Surah 41, Verse 34)

• O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do." (Surah 4, Verse 135)

• God advocates justice, charity, and regarding the relatives. And He forbids evil, vice, and transgression. He enlightens you, that you may take heed." (Surah 16, Verse 90).

• And if ye do punish them, punish them no worse than they punished you: but if ye show patience, that is indeed the best (course) for those who are patient." (Surah 16, Verse 126)


These verses seem to indicate that violence is transgression, particularly if the 'enemy' is sueing for peace. It also indicates that allah does not like transgressors. It also indicates that if someone transgreses them, they should respond similarly, but retrain themselves only to that person/group.

So we can understand from this that Muslims cannot hold entire populations of a country accountable for a transgression against them. They may only hold the individuals behind the transgression accountable. This means that flying aircraft into the WTC buildings and killing 3,000 non-transgressing civilians is, itself, a transgression.

They also indicate that the messages made by ISIS are transgressions, as they seem to call for militant action against The West as a whole rather than individual transgressors. It is also clear to me that most fo the ISIS leadership have themselves not been personally transgressed against by the West and so in both of these senses ISIS are transgressors and not loved by allah.

In conclusion, it seems the Mujahideen (because we all know Al-Queda was invented by the CIA, or should know this by now) and ISIS preace a non-muslim philosphy.

I hope I have this correct.

I've often heard Muslims distinguish between warlike and more peaceful passages based on the period when they were written.It seems Muslims choose which passages to focus on.ISIS clearly has chosen the warlike ones.One can also find very warlike passages in the Bible.It is just that Christendom no longer takes those passages that seriously.

 

[redpolk]

Is it even proper to allow considerations of Quranic interpretation to overrule basic decency?

It is if you think God's will as expressed in the Quran overrides any human moral concepts.

 

[redpolk]

Iraqis under ISIS control say their lives have gotten better

Do you still think Iraqis under ISIS rule consider it an improvement?

 

[LuisDantas]

It is if you think God's will as expressed in the Quran overrides any human moral concepts.

Why would anyone think such a thing?

 

[redpolk]

Why would anyone think such a thing?

Why are people comfortable outsourcing moral decisions?Its simpler,easier and reasoning things out for yourself leads to uncertain answers.Some people want certainty.

 

[LuisDantas]

Why are people comfortable outsourcing moral decisions?Its simpler,easier and reasoning things out for yourself leads to uncertain answers.Some people want certainty.

I guess you are right, but it is such an obvious mistake that one would expect people to be aware of it much in the same way they are careful to avoid long falls.

 

[redpolk]

I guess you are right, but it is such an obvious mistake that one would expect people to be aware of it much in the same way they are careful to avoid long falls.

Long falls have immediate painful consequences.Religion provides many benefits.There are costs too but these tend to be of the intellectual variety which can be rationalized away.

 

[Harikrish]

ISIS is showing the world what is bad about Islam. Islam, Muslims claim is a religion of peace. ISIS methods are not peaceful. To balance the bad let us see what is good about Islam. Islam has produced 800 million illiterate Muslims, large refugee camps of Muslims fleeing their Islamic leaders and large scale poverty among Muslims.

ISIS might be the only solution to deal with the decline of Islam and its underprivileged Muslim followers. It is unfortunate ISIS are attacking non-Muslims. Non-Muslims are better educated, are more powerful and many more in number and can easily bomb the radical Islamists out of existence.

The ISIS should focus on raising the quality of Muslims instead of converting to Islam all the illiterates in the world who cannot and have not read the Quran and their acceptance of Islam has only increased the size of the Muslim ghettos they all live in and the refugee camps they flee to like a long anticipated pilgrimage.

This mindset has to change and Muslims should be forced to be more progressive. That is not to suggest all Muslims should be radicalized. But they have to be radically changed. Muslim men praying 5 times a day while their women they married at 6 years old sit around covered in a sack making babies, is hardly a formula for modern societies.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Icehorse ,outhouse, and all the others

just for let it's clear ISIS and Nusra and Alqaeada ... any Takfir groups are OUR REAL enemy ,I believe most of the muslims agree on that .

I believe this phenomen would be gone ,maybe it's take dozen years , more or less .

some factures of this phenomen is still exist ( racism against muslims in Israel, civil wars in some Muslim countries, povirity ,extremist had media to deliver hate speech , bad involve of the west ....etc)

You arenot you understandingIslam
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I'm not opposed to including daash because I want to apply the law of the Koran on Earth as it is in the Qur'an

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

ISIS is showing the world what is bad about Islam. Islam, Muslims claim is a religion of peace. ISIS methods are not peaceful. To balance the bad let us see what is good about Islam. Islam has produced 800 million illiterate Muslims, large refugee camps of Muslims fleeing their Islamic leaders and large scale poverty among Muslims.

ISIS might be the only solution to deal with the decline of Islam and its underprivileged Muslim followers. It is unfortunate ISIS are attacking non-Muslims. Non-Muslims are better educated, are more powerful and many more in number and can easily bomb the radical Islamists out of existence.

The ISIS should focus on raising the quality of Muslims instead of converting to Islam all the illiterates in the world who cannot and have not read the Quran and their acceptance of Islam has only increased the size of the Muslim ghettos they all live in and the refugee camps they flee to like a long anticipated pilgrimage.

This mindset has to change and Muslims should be forced to be more progressive. That is not to suggest all Muslims should be radicalized. But they have to be radically changed. Muslim men praying 5 times a day while their women they married at 6 years old sit around covered in a sack making babies, is hardly a formula for modern societies.

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The world that reveals the truth of Islam to Muslims and to leave the teachings of the Koran
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This thought will spread in the world
By this means
Therefore, I invite the world to educate Muslims
And tell them
This is your religion
Came out and Mohammed seated between the thighs of Khadija

 

[Harikrish]

You speakabout dreams
Islam and his followers want to turn thought into global system
If defeated daash they will return with a new name
Because Islamic thought produces daash and also is the product to all crimes of genocide in modern history
The world that reveals the truth of Islam to Muslims and to leave the teachings of the Koran
Because the teachings of terrorism
OnthecontrolStatesdaashIslamic
But the world must the Manager Muslim
Because of this hell
Whenyou receiveshouldrequest him tomeaboutthe Quran
This thought will spread in the world
By this means
Therefore, I invite the world to educate Muslims
And tell them
This is your religion
Came out and Mohammed seated between the thighs of Khadija

The world would like to see the Muslims solve their own problem. But the Muslims also live in countries where it is not permitted to cut off hands and tongues or behead violators. Muslims want their Sharia law as well as the right to marry children under 6 years which goes against civilized societies. So it is only right to support ISIS if they can deal with Muslims who are not true to Islam where the majority of Muslims are too illiterate to even read the Quran. The infidels are more than willing to help the Muslims keep Islam the religion of peace, but have little use for Muslims with missing limbs and Muslim pedophiles.

It is a bit silly for Islamists and muslim women to cover their faces so they won't be recognized by society. That is what gives they away and drones are designed to exploit that fact as are the people around them.