why it's always ( ISLAM vs. CHRISTIANITY )

[Mujahid Mohammed]

I doubt it will do any good... but how about these verses?

Matt. 4:7; Luke 4:12 - Jesus tells satan, "you shall not tempt the Lord your God" in reference to Himself.


Matt. 5:21-22; 27-28; 31-32; 33-34; 38-39; 43-44 - Jesus makes Himself equal to God when He declares, "You heard it said...but I say to you.."

Matt. 7:21-22; Luke 6:46 - not everyone who says to Jesus, "Lord, Lord." Jesus calls Himself Lord, which is God.

Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.

Matt. 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5 - Jesus says that He is "Lord of the Sabbath." He is the Lord of God's law which means He is God.

Matt. 18:20 - Jesus says where two or three are gathered in His name, there He is in the midst of them.

Matt. 21:3; Luke 19:31,34 - Jesus calls himself "Lord." "The Lord has need of them."

Matt. 26:64; Mark 14:62; Luke 22:70 - Jesus acknowledges that He is the Son of God.

Matt. 28:20 - Jesus said He is with us always, even unto the end of the world. Only God is omnipresent.

Mark 14:36 - Jesus calls God "Abba," Aramaic for daddy, which was an absolutely unprecedented address to God and demonstrates Jesus' unique intimacy with the Father.

Luke 8:39 - Luke reports that Jesus said "tell how much God has done for you." And the man declared how much Jesus did.

Luke 17:18 - Jesus asks why the other nine lepers did not come back to give praise to Him, God, except the Samaritan leper.

Luke 19:38,40 - Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. If these were silent, the very stones would cry out.

John 5:18 - Jesus claimed to be God. The Jews knew this because Jesus called God His Father and made Himself equal to God. This is why Jesus was crucified.

John 5:21-22 - Jesus gives life and says that all judgment has been given to Him by the Father.

John 5:23 - Jesus equates Himself with the Father, "whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him."

John 6:38 - Jesus says, "For I have come down from heaven."

John 8:12 - Jesus says "I am the light of the world." - 1 John 1:5 - God is light and in him there is no darkness at all.

John 8:19 - Jesus says, "if you knew me, you would know my Father also."

John 8:23 - Jesus says that He is not of this world. Only God is not of this world.

John 8:58 - Jesus says, "Before Abraham was, I AM." Exodus 3:14 - "I AM" means "Yahweh," which means God.

John 10:18 - Jesus says He has the power to lay down His life and take it up again - Gal. 1:1 - God raised Jesus to life.

John 10:30 - Jesus says, "I and the Father are one." They are equal. The Jews even claimed Jesus made Himself equal to God. Jesus' statement in John 14:28, "the Father is greater than I," cannot contradict John 10:30 (the Word of God is never in conflict). Jesus' statement in John 14:28 simply refers to His human messianic role as servant and slave, which He, and not the Father or the Holy Spirit, undertook in the flesh.

John 10:36 - again, Jesus claims that He is "the Son of God."

John 10:38; 14:10 - "the Father is in me and I am in the Father" means the Father and Son are equal.

John 12:45 - Jesus says, "He who sees Me sees Him who sent Me." God the Father is equal to God the Son.

John 13:13 - Jesus says, "You call me Teacher and Lord and you are right for so I AM."

John 14:6 - Jesus says "I am the way, and the truth and the life." Only God is the way, the truth and the life.

John 16:15 - Jesus says, "all things that the Father has are Mine." Jesus has everything God has which makes Him God.

John 16:28 - Jesus says that "He came from the Father and has come into the world."

John 17:5,24 - Jesus' desire is for us to behold His glory which He had before the foundation of the world.

John 20:17 - Jesus distinguishes His relationship to the Father from our relationship by saying "My Father and your Father."

Rev. 1:8 - God says He is the "Alpha and the Omega." In Rev. 22:13, Jesus also says He is the "Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end." The only possible conclusion one can reach is that Jesus is equal to the Lord God.

Rev. 1:17 - Jesus says again, "I am the First and the Last." This is in reference to the God prophesied by Isaiah in Isaiah 44:6, 41:4, 48:12.

Rev. 1:18 - Jesus, the First and the Last, also says "I died, and behold, I am alive for evermore." When did God ever die? He only did in the humanity of Jesus Christ our Lord and God. Rev. 2:8 - Jesus again says, "The words of the First and the Last, who died and came to life." When did God die and come to life? In our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

These are all implied I mean literally and clearly. I am God worshop me. And if he is God who was he praying to on the cross. And who was the one who sent him. How did he send himself.

 

[michel]

These are all implied I mean literally and clearly. I am God worshop me. And if he is God who was he praying to on the cross. And who was the one who sent him. How did he send himself.

The concept of ther trinity has been explained numerous times on this thread alone.:banghead3

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

The concept of ther trinity has been explained numerous times on this thread alone.:banghead3

forgive me Michel, I understand the whole idea behind it I just want someone to give me the verses where Jesus says I am God worship me very clearly and plainly. The only response I ever get is these verses where the idea is implied. It is never very clear, it is as if Jesus speaks in riddles at times. My father in law is a Calculus teacher if he left all his lessons about math with implied ideas and his students constantly trying to interpret what he means and what he says noone would ever really get and he would lose his job. He tells me he tries as a teacher to explain these things to where everyone can understand it very clearly. He never leaves it to ones own interpretation. The words of Saint Paul are held by most of Christianity in the highest regard, and this is understandable since he is the primary author of the majority of the books of the New Testament. However no matter what role St. Paul played in the defintion and spread of Christianity, when displaying respect for the teachings of Paul, it is necessary not to lose sight of the fact that he is in no way equal to Jesus, nor should his command be placed before the command of Jesus if we were to find them to differ from one another. No one, not even Paul or the apostles of Jesus has this right, since they are all, after all, subordinate to Jesus Christ himself. However were we to study the religion known today as "Christ"ianity we would find that it is the interpretation of St. Paul of what he personally believed to be the religion of Jesus. As it stands today it has been reduced to an interpretation of the words of Jesus within the context of what Paul taught rather than the other way around which is the way it should be. We would expect the expect Christianity to be the teachings of Jesus and that the words of Paul and everyone else would be accepted or rejected according to their conformity to his teachings. However we always see in the examples given that Jesus never in his lifetime mentioned an original sin, atonement, he is god or he was part of a Trinity. He only told his followers to do the same and to worship God alone. (John 4:21,4:23 Mathew 4:10, Luke 4:8) If a person uses the current sytem of interpretation the words of Jesus within the context of Pauls. Jesus never actually means what he says but is constantly speaking in riddles which are not to be taken literally. Even when people attempt to cite the words of Jesus as confirming the teachings of Paul with regard to the foriginal sin, the atonement, the trinity, etc. they never bring clear and decisive words where Jesus actually confirms these things. Instead they use such things as " when Jesus spoke of the exodus he was really speaking of atonement" or so forth. Are we all to believe that Paul is the only one who can say what is on his mind clearly and decisively while Jesus is not capable of articulating what he means clearly and decisively but requries interpreters to explain the "true" meaning of what he said, and to explain how. This is what I do not understand I just want them to explain why these things are and give me a CLEAR AND DECISIVE VERSE where he states these things thats all.
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