Why it's easier to be a creationist than an atheist

[Spiderman]

I can't speak for everyone.
If you are unable to be a theist, that's fine, I'm not able to be an atheist... it's virtually impossible for me to do that, because it goes against my ability to reason and use logic.

Why does gold, silver, and diamonds exist? How does a big bang create these treasures? That big bang was creative? Silver, gold, diamonds, and treasures came into existence out of nothing for no reason, at random? Or, it was created?

The big bang created these pretty birds out of nothing, gave them wings and hollow bones so they can fly

Who's a pretty bird?

The Big Bang gave us a round world. How did it get round?

And put the sun in the right place, so that we could all survive.

The Big Bang gave us plants, herbs, fruits, and vegetables out of nothing.

The Big Bang gave us water and eventually oil.

Imagine a world without oil.

The big bang gave us these lovely ladies,

and their beauty came forth from nothing.... well from:

chimp-like creatures that evolved from single cell organisms, that came into existence on a round planet, that came into existence out of.... not a damn thing.

None of this is possible without the Big Bang giving us the Sun... and in the right place of course...

The Big Bang has been good to us!

Thoughts?
( okay, the thread was supposed to reek of ignorance and be silly.. it was to get you educated folks excited and load your guns .... I'm just saying it's easier to believe that a creator, some higher power working with the mechanisms of science, created it.... it's a lot more difficult to discover a scientific explanation.)

 

[Spiderman]

I'm not advocating that you have to believe in the Bible.

I think the Bible has all the potential to be very toxic, and in many places is straight up stupid

 

[Altfish]

Easier in that you do not have to engage your brain.
Easier in that you accept a story based on no evidence apart from a 2000-year old book.

Atheism has explanations and evidence for the likes of evolution and the age of the earth; it may take some reading, some thinking, some questioning but it is there and it is a marvellous and wonderful explanation.

 

[Spiderman]

Easier in that you do not have to engage your brain.
Easier in that you accept a story based on no evidence apart from a 2000-year old book.

Atheism has explanations and evidence for the likes of evolution and the age of the earth; it may take some reading, some thinking, some questioning but it is there and it is a marvellous and wonderful explanation.

A creationist does not have to believe in some book.

There are billions of creationists that don't believe in the Bible.

 

[Jumi]

Of course not having to explain anything is easier about things like why we have oil, but it's not very satisfying.

 

[Spiderman]

Easier in that you do not have to engage your brain.
Easier in that you accept a story based on no evidence apart from a 2000-year old book.

Atheism has explanations and evidence for the likes of evolution and the age of the earth; it may take some reading, some thinking, some questioning but it is there and it is a marvellous and wonderful explanation.

Evidence has been given many times for the existence of a spirit world.

Here is one example, Witnessed by roughly 70,000 people:
Miracle of the Sun - Wikipedia

I've studied and found that there has been lots of evidence provided to our world.

People choose to ignore it

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Why does gold, silver, and diamonds exist?

Carbon being compressed over thousands, millions or even billions of years.

How does a big bang create these treasures?

It didn't. They are a natural consequence of matter interacting in a space governed by physical laws.

That big bang was creative? Silver, gold, diamonds, and treasures came into existence out of nothing for no reason, at random.

No, they came into existence from matter as a consequence of physical laws.

The big bang created these pretty birds out of nothing, gave them wings and hollow bones so they can fly
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Who's a pretty bird?

No, they were a result of the evolutionary process.

The Big Bang gave us a round world. How did it get round?

Gravity pulls everything towards the center of its mass, naturally resulting in it forming spherical objects in a vacuum.

And put the sun in the right place, so that we could all survive.

Wrong way around. We survived because the sun was in the right place, the sun wasn't put in the right place so we could survive.

The Big Bang gave us plants, herbs, fruits, and vegetables out of nothing.

Again, no. Evolution gave us those things from the earliest living organisms.

The Big Bang gave us water and eventually oil.

Again, no. These things formed much later as a consequence of natural laws.

chimp-like creatures that evolved from single cell organisms, that came into existence on a round planet, that came into existence out of.... not a damn thing.

No, the big bang did not happen out of "nothing". It was an infinitely dense point of matter.

Thoughts?

Sorry, but you need to learn more about these things.

 

[Altfish]

A creationist does not have to believe in some book.

There are billions of creationists that don't believe in the Bible.

I never mentioned the Bible

 

[Jumi]

A creationist does not have to believe in some book.

There are billions of creationists that don't believe in the Bible.

You'd be surprised how few of theists are against sciences and evolution.

 

[Valjean]

I can't speak for everyone.
If you are unable to be a theist, that's fine, I'm not able to be an atheist... it's virtually impossible for me to do that, because it goes against my ability to reason and use logic.

But isn't non-belief the logical position? Isn't it more reasonable to withhold belief in something till there's actual evidence for it?

Why does gold, silver, and diamonds exist? How does a big bang create these treasures? That big bang was creative? Silver, gold, diamonds, and treasures came into existence out of nothing for no reason, at random.

What are you talking about? Everyone knows how heavy elements were created.
Where did you study chemistry?

The big bang created these pretty birds out of nothing, gave them wings and hollow bones so they can fly

Again -- what are you talking about? What does the Big Bang have to do with creating birds?
How avian anatomy developed is explained by biology, not theoretical physics. It's explained by natural selection and other biological mechanisms.

The Big Bang gave us a round world. How did it get round?

What?!
What does the Big Bang have to do with a round world? Who doesn't know why matter accretes into spheres? This is physics 101.

And put the sun in the right place, so that we could all survive.

The Big Bang gave us plants, herbs, fruits, and vegetables out of nothing.

The Big Bang gave us water and eventually oil.

Are you off your meds? These assertions are ridiculous. What does the Big Bang have to do with any of this? What, exactly, is your understanding of the Big Bang?

chimp-like creatures that evolved from single cell organisms, that came into existence on a round planet, that came into existence out of.... not a damn thing.

None of this is possible without the Big Bang giving us the Sun... and in the right place of course...

The Big Bang has been good to us!

Thoughts?

What's your point?????

 

[Jumi]

I never mentioned the Bible

Yeah, the bible isn't a 2000-year old book.

 

[Jumi]

What do you think of pope Francis?

Pope Francis declares evolution and Big Bang theory are real and God is not 'a magician with a magic wand'

 

[Spiderman]

You'd be surprised how few of theists are against sciences and evolution.

I'm not against science or evolution

 

[Spiderman]

But isn't non-belief the logical position? Isn't it more reasonable to withhold belief in something till there's actual evidence for it?

What are you talking about? Everyone knows how heavy elements were created.
Where did you study chemistry?

Again -- what are you talking about? What does the Big Bang have to do with creating birds?
How avian anatomy developed is explained by biology, not theoretical physics. It's explained by natural selection and other biological mechanisms.
What?!
What does the Big Bang have to do with a round world? Who doesn't know why matter accretes into spheres? This is physics 101.

Are you off your meds? These assertions are ridiculous. What does the Big Bang have to do with any of this? What, exactly, is your understanding of the Big Bang?
What's your point?????

Yes, the Big Bang gave us all of those things I mentioned, because everything came out of nothing.

The Big Bang has been generous and creative. It brought about the existence of matter and eventually everything in the OP... it all came forth from nothing, at random, for no apparent reason

 

[Spiderman]

What do you think of pope Francis?

Pope Francis declares evolution and Big Bang theory are real and God is not 'a magician with a magic wand'

The pope can declare whatever he wants.

the church says the pope is only infallible when he's defining a Dogma EX cathedra.

Only two popes have ever done that.

Besides, I believe in evolution... and I'm entirely open to the possibility that God brought the material world into existence through a big bang... not sure what your point is!

 

[Spiderman]

Carbon being compressed over thousands, millions or even billions of years.


It didn't. They are a natural consequence of matter interacting in a space governed by physical laws.


No, they came into existence from matter as a consequence of physical laws.


No, they were a result of the evolutionary process.


Gravity pulls everything towards the center of its mass, naturally resulting in it forming spherical objects in a vacuum.


Wrong way around. We survived because the sun was in the right place, the sun wasn't put in the right place so we could survive.


Again, no. Evolution gave us those things from the earliest living organisms.


Again, no. These things formed much later as a consequence of natural laws.


No, the big bang did not happen out of "nothing". It was an infinitely dense point of matter.


Sorry, but you need to learn more about these things.

And where did carbon come from?

It had to come from nothing.

Therefore it is the result of the Big Bang

 

[ImmortalFlame]

And where did carbon come from?

It had to come from nothing.

Therefore it is the result of the Big Bang

Obviously. What's the issue?

Do you understand my point about life developing because of where the sun is, rather than the sun being where it is for the development of life?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Yes, the Big Bang gave us all of those things I mentioned, because everything came out of nothing.

No, it didn't come from nothing. The big bang was a massive expansion from an infinitely dense point of matter, not "nothing".

The Big Bang has been generous and creative. It brought about the existence of matter and eventually everything in the OP... it all came forth from nothing,

False.

at random,

False.

for no apparent reason

Depending you definitions, false.

 

[HonestJoe]

Why does gold, silver, and diamonds exist? How does a big bang create these treasures?

Fairly fundamental physics and chemistry. There’s nothing special about those elements, we only value them because they happen to be rare and reflect light in interesting ways. The same forces created plutonium, arsenic and mercury too which can easily kill us (despite also looking pretty).

The big bang created these pretty birds out of nothing, gave them wings and hollow bones so they can fly

The Big Bang has nothing to do with evolution of living creatures.

The Big Bang gave us a round world. How did it get round?

What other shape would it be? A sphere is really the default due to there being no forces pushing in any particular direction. It’s the same basic reason bubbles are spherical too.

And put the sun in the right place, so that we could all survive.

You have the cause and effect backwards. Life developed on Earth because it happened to be in roughly the right place. Most of the other planets in our solar system aren’t in the right place, along with countless billions of planets orbiting other stars.

The Big Bang gave us plants, herbs, fruits, and vegetables out of nothing.

Again, the Big Bang has nothing to do with the development of life. That said, there are lots of plants which are of limited use to us and a whole load which are actively dangerous or poisonous to us.

The Big Bang gave us water and eventually oil.

The vast majority of water on the surface of the Earth is salt water and the majority of fresh water on the surface of Earth is frozen.

Oil is nothing special. It’s one of the materials on the planet we’ve learned to make use of (though not always to the benefit of the species) but it’s in no way a necessity for our exstance. Again, there are loads of things on this planet which are dangerous to us too.

The big bang gave us these lovely ladies

They weren’t created for your enjoyment. Species only survive if they procreate and perceiving members of the opposite sex as attractive is part of that. We find them attractive because we exist, not the other way around.

Thoughts?

If the universe had been made by an intelligent creator specifically to serve our needs, I’d have a long snagging list for them to address.

 

[Spiderman]

Obviously. What's the issue?

Do you understand my point about life developing because of where the sun is, rather than the sun being where it is for the development of life?

yes

there is no issue

I'm saying the Big Bang has been generous to us, because there would be no carbon, no gold, no silver,no diamonds, no animals, no fruit, no vegetables, no oil, no water, no sun, no pretty girls, no evolutionary process , without the Big Bang...

essentially, it all came out of nothing, with no real purpose.... I'm just saying, that's a lot more difficult to believe, then to believe that there was an intelligent creative force behind it.

I'm not advocating for the Bible. I think the Bible has a bunch of stupid verses