Why it's easier to be a creationist than an atheist

[Cacotopia]

I'm not denying evolution.

I'm saying the material world doesn't just materialized out of nothing , for no apparent reason, as a result of some big bang, and the energy to create that big bang just comes out of nothing...

If God wanted at some point in history to turn chimps into humans, perhaps God chose to do that

Please stop saying something came from nothing, no scientist ever, said that, Creationists...say something comes from nothing.

The exact same amount of matter and energy that existed before the big bang, continues to exist today. Read the laws of thermodynamics. You can deduce that matter and energy which are interchangeable have always existed and were never just created out of nothing like the creationists say what happened.

 

[Altfish]

Yeah, the bible isn't a 2000-year old book.

The Torah, The Vedas, etc.

 

[Sunstone]

I can't speak for everyone.
If you are unable to be a theist, that's fine, I'm not able to be an atheist... it's virtually impossible for me to do that, because it goes against my ability to reason and use logic.

Why does gold, silver, and diamonds exist? How does a big bang create these treasures? That big bang was creative? Silver, gold, diamonds, and treasures came into existence out of nothing for no reason, at random? Or, it was created?

The big bang created these pretty birds out of nothing, gave them wings and hollow bones so they can fly
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Who's a pretty bird?

The Big Bang gave us a round world. How did it get round?

And put the sun in the right place, so that we could all survive.

The Big Bang gave us plants, herbs, fruits, and vegetables out of nothing.

The Big Bang gave us water and eventually oil.

Imagine a world without oil.

The big bang gave us these lovely ladies,
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and their beauty came forth from nothing.... well from:

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chimp-like creatures that evolved from single cell organisms, that came into existence on a round planet, that came into existence out of.... not a damn thing.

None of this is possible without the Big Bang giving us the Sun... and in the right place of course...

The Big Bang has been good to us!

Thoughts?

If you're going to post on abiogenisis and evolution, PopeADope, you should take the time to learn something about those two things first. For instance, saying birds are created by the Big Bang is nearly as ignorant as calling the Pope the "head of the Buddhist Church in Asia". It makes no sense at all and merely turns heads in wonder of how ignorant you are.

You can't effectively criticize something you know next to nothing about.

 

[Cacotopia]

Just because it's old doesn't make it right. The bible and other religious texts are riddled with falsehoods about how the world operates.

The burning bush is a sign from God, wait a tick, do you mean the evolutionary adaptation of the Dictumnus plant, commonly known as the gas plant, found in SubSaharan and arid regions of Mesopotamia? Why, why didn't you say so, the gas plant excretes a highly volatile resin from it's bark that can self ignite to burn the ground surrounding the plant in order to invigorate the soil around it's immediate vicinity without harming the plant itself, to provide itself nutrients via fire. Gee that is amazeballs.

But to a wandering scientifically illiterate nomad? A sign from god...oh. yeah that.

 

[Altfish]

And where did the energy that created the bang come from?

The same place god came from!!

To be serious, "We do not know", but that is fine because 100-years ago we didn't know about the Big Bang; 300-years ago we knew nothing about evolution; 50-years ago we didn't know about the internet.

 

[Valjean]

essentially, it all came out of nothing, with no real purpose.... I'm just saying, that's a lot more difficult to believe, then to believe that there was an intelligent creative force behind it.

Don't believe what's easy and comfortable. Believe what the evidence suggests.

To me, I'm unable to believe that things can just materialize out of nothing, and that energy can come out of nowhere that creates a big bang, that leads to organisms that evolve in to many different creatures including you and me.... I'm just not capable of believing that that could happen without a creator.

Why? Reality isn't intuitive. God plays dice.
Before you dismiss a theory, at least take the trouble to understand it and the evidence supporting it.
A Creator still doesn't explain the mechanism involved -- which is all science deals with.
'Goddidit' may be comforting, but it explains nothing, and is entirely without evidence.

I'm saying the material world doesn't just materialized out of nothing , for no apparent reason, as a result of some big bang, and the energy to create that big bang just comes out of nothing...

Why do you say that, when everything points to just this scenario? Are you argruing from incredulity, and from ignorance of the explanations offered by physics?

If God wanted at some point in history to turn chimps into humans, perhaps God chose to do that

All well and good, but what mechanisms were involved, and, given these natural mechanisms, why would a God be necessary?

 

[Spiderman]

If you're going to post on abiogenisis and evolution, PopeADope, you should take the time to learn something about those two things first. For instance, saying birds are created by the Big Bang is nearly as ignorant as calling the Pope the "head of the Buddhist Church in Asia". It makes no sense at all and merely turns heads in wonder of how ignorant you are.

You can't effectively criticize something you know next to nothing about.

I'm saying the Big Bang did give us all of those things... because none of those things would exist without the Big Bang. That's what I meant

 

[Sunstone]

I'm saying the Big Bang did give us all of those things... because none of those things would exist without the Big Bang. That's what I meant

How do you think it makes sense to imply the Big Bang could not have ultimately and after billions and billions of years of exceedingly complex cause and effect resulted in such things?

 

[Valjean]

I'm saying the Big Bang did give us all of those things... because none of those things would exist without the Big Bang. That's what I meant

But it's too indirect an explanation to make sense. You might as well attribute your choice of necktie or breakfast cereal to the Big Bang.

 

[Spiderman]

How do you think it makes sense to imply the Big Bang could not have ultimately and after billions and billions of years of exceedingly complex cause and effect resulted in such things?

I was just pointing out that it's easier to believe that there is a creator... hence, the title of the thread. It's an easier explanation

I'm not at this time able to believe that it could take place without a higher power of some sort willing it and working with the scientific mechanisms

 

[Spiderman]

But it's too indirect an explanation to make sense. You might as well attribute your choice of necktie or breakfast cereal to the Big Bang.

Yes, the Big Bang indirectly is responsible for my taste in food.

okay, the thread was supposed to reek of ignorance and be stupid... it was to get you educated folks really excited .... I'm just saying it's easier to believe that a creator, some higher power working with the mechanisms of science, created it.... it's a lot more difficult to discover a scientific explanation

 

[ImmortalFlame]

To me, I'm unable to believe that things can just materialize out of nothing,

Again, you don't have to. The big bang didn't "start" from nothing. As far as we are aware, energy could always have existed in some form. You're not required to believe everything "materialized out of nothing".

and that energy can come out of nowhere that creates a big bang, that leads to organisms that evolve in to many different creatures including you and me.... I'm just not capable of believing that that could happen without a creator.

Then the fault is with your inability to think outside of that box, not with said conclusion being irrational or lacking logic.

I am perfectly capable of believing that all of that can happen without inherent design, and I refuse to believe I am any smarter or more astute than you are. You are capable of believing whatever is possible to be true - stop telling yourself you can't.

And that Creator wants us to suffer and die. this Earth is not our home

And yet makes things of beauty, as you have shown repeatedly. This makes absolutely no sense. If God exists and wants us to suffer and die, we wouldn't exist in the first place.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I can't speak for everyone.
If you are unable to be a theist, that's fine, I'm not able to be an atheist... it's virtually impossible for me to do that, because it goes against my ability to reason and use logic.

Fair enough. Treat people well, and it's enough.

Why does gold, silver, and diamonds exist? How does a big bang create these treasures? That big bang was creative? Silver, gold, diamonds, and treasures came into existence out of nothing for no reason, at random? Or, it was created?

Why do you believe they hold value? What is it that is amazing about 'silver', for example?

The big bang created these pretty birds out of nothing, gave them wings and hollow bones so they can fly
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Who's a pretty bird?

Nope. That's not how it worked. But let's look at it in reverse, then.
God have us hyena's who give birth through their clitoris?
Ocean-living mammals, complete with lungs, but not gills?
Human inability to digest cellulose?
Emerald cockroach wasps who paralyse cockroaches and lay larvae in them, who then digest their host at birth?

The Big Bang gave us a round world. How did it get round?

Again, consider it differently. It's not actually round. It's actually an oblate spheroid. Why?

And put the sun in the right place, so that we could all survive.

Nope. The big bang (assuming that is what happened) gave us a sun that will burn out and cause the end of the world, assuming nothing else ends it first.

The Big Bang gave us plants, herbs, fruits, and vegetables out of nothing.

Watch out. Ray Comfort had some issues when he started making these sort of assumptions...

And the beautiful women? Why do you find them beautiful? Does the chimp? Or is the chimp picture more appealing to the chimp?

I think you're conflating subjectivity with objectivity. Ask @columbus his opinion on your 'hot' ladies...

 

[Valjean]

Stop doing what's easy. Do what's reasonable. Easy doesn't equate to correct.

 

[Spiderman]

Again, you don't have to. The big bang didn't "start" from nothing. As far as we are aware, energy could always have existed in some form. You're not required to believe everything "materialized out of nothing".


Then the fault is with your inability to think outside of that box, not with said conclusion being irrational or lacking logic.

I am perfectly capable of believing that all of that can happen without inherent design, and I refuse to believe I am any smarter or more astute than you are. You are capable of believing whatever is possible to be true - stop telling yourself you can't.


And yet makes things of beauty, as you have shown repeatedly. This makes absolutely no sense. If God exists and wants us to suffer and die, we wouldn't exist in the first place.

God creates the beauty, so that we can have a foretaste of our home in the next life. He wants us to suffer and die in this life.... but occasionally have foretastes of the next life

When I was speaking of logic and the ability to reason, I was talking about my own personal logic and ability to reason, not Yours.

according to what I understand of logic and reason, I am not able to believe that this world and all the creatures and the Sun could exist through scientific mechanisms that were not instituted by some higher power.

To think that material could materialize and become our Earth, or just think that those materials that could lead to it, always existed, is just not something I can fathom or believe... so it is easier for me to believe in a Creator, and it is impossible for me to be an atheist

 

[Spiderman]

Fair enough. Treat people well, and it's enough.



Why do you believe they hold value? What is it that is amazing about 'silver', for example?



Nope. That's not how it worked. But let's look at it in reverse, then.
God have us hyena's who give birth through their clitoris?
Ocean-living mammals, complete with lungs, but not gills?
Human inability to digest cellulose?
Emerald cockroach wasps who paralyse cockroaches and lay larvae in them, who then digest their host at birth?



Again, consider it differently. It's not actually round. It's actually an oblate spheroid. Why?



Nope. The big bang (assuming that is what happened) gave us a sun that will burn out and cause the end of the world, assuming nothing else ends it first.



Watch out. Ray Comfort had some issues when he started making these sort of assumptions...



I think you're conflating subjectivity with objectivity. Ask @columbus his opinion on your 'hot' ladies...

Great post!

 

[Spiderman]

Stop doing what's easy. Do what's reasonable. Easy doesn't equate to correct.

What's reasonable to me, is there is a higher power that is responsible for the scientific mechanisms that led to the existence of everything mentioned in the OP

 

[ImmortalFlame]

God creates the beauty, so that we can have a foretaste of our home in the next life. He wants us to suffer and die in this life.... but occasionally have foretastes of the next life

Which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If God only wants us to live in the afterlife, why do we have a forelife at all?

When I was speaking of logic and the ability to reason, I was talking about my own personal logic and ability to reason, not Yours.

No, you wrote "my ability to use logic and reason". You didn't say they were your own personal form of logic and reason. In either case, you're selling your capacity to reason drastically short.

according to what I understand of logic and reason, I am not able to believe that this world and all the creatures and the Sun could exist through scientific mechanisms that were not instituted by some higher power.

Then you aren't using logic and reason.

To think that material could materialize and become our Earth, or just think that those materials that could lead to it, always existed, is just not something I can fathom or believe... so it is easier for me to believe in a Creator, and it is impossible for me to be an atheist

Why?

 

[Revoltingest]

Easy as pie to be an atheist.
Impossible to become a creationist.
But that's just me.

 

[Valjean]

God creates the beauty, so that we can have a foretaste of our home in the next life. He wants us to suffer and die in this life.... but occasionally have foretastes of the next life

Please present the evidence and diagram the mathematics by which you came to this conclusion.

according to what I understand of logic and reason, I am not able to believe that this world and all the creatures and the Sun could exist through scientific mechanisms that were not instituted by some higher power.

Then look to your understanding of logic and reason.
If one group says they have evidence and an explanation, it would be wise to review and understand the evidence and reasoning before dismissing it.

To think that material could materialize and become our Earth, or just think that those materials that could lead to it, always existed, is just not something I can fathom or believe... so it is easier for me to believe in a Creator, and it is impossible for me to be an atheist

But the troublesome question of mechanism remains. Your comfortable assertion that Goddidit does not answer any of the questions that trouble you.