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Why Jesus must be the Messiah

Firenze

Firenze

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Ebionite said:
Wrong. From the page I linked to:

However, it is entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not.
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Lol. Then under that logic any ‘authority’ you might claim for Christianity suffers the same fate. Then you can simply reject any expert that doesn’t support your bias.
 
Ebionite

Ebionite

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Firenze said:
Lol. Then under that logic any ‘authority’ you might claim for Christianity suffers the same fate. Then you can simply reject any expert that doesn’t support your bias.
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I don't claim any authority for Christianity. Rationality is the path to truth, not religion.
 
Firenze

Firenze

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Ebionite said:
I don't claim any authority for Christianity. Rationality is the path to truth, not religion.
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And rationality says it's prudent to give more weight to experts than to later usurpers. By denying OT eschatology on the Messiah, Christians are like the patient with the brain tumor that seeks out a proctologist..... :oops:
 
Ebionite

Ebionite

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Firenze said:
And rationality says it's prudent to give more weight to experts than to later usurpers.
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"usurper" is simply a slur against any expert who disagrees with your conclusion. Experts can be wrong, that's why you get dissenting expert opinion.
 
Firenze

Firenze

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Ebionite said:
"usurper" is simply a slur against any expert who disagrees with your conclusion. Experts can be wrong, that's why you get dissenting expert opinion.
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No, usurper is an accurate label for the gospel authors that spit on the OT experts to justify their made-up religion. Experts can certainly be wrong. Doesn't mean they are in this case. What we know is that the gospel lied about a virgin birth being an attribute of the Messiah, among many other things. An honest seeker of Truth would want to know why.
 
Ebionite

Ebionite

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Firenze said:
No, usurper is an accurate label for the gospel authors that spit on the OT experts to justify their made-up religion. Experts can certainly be wrong. Doesn't mean they are in this case. What we know is that the gospel lied about a virgin birth being an attribute of the Messiah, among many other things. An honest seeker of Truth would want to know why.
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Virgo (the virgin) is opposite Pisces (the fish). The sign of Jonah is about a great fish. The actual virgin of the gospels was James the Just, who opposed Paul's doctrine.

And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Genesis 1:14
 
Firenze

Firenze

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Ebionite said:
Virgo (the virgin) is opposite Pisces (the fish). The sign of Jonah is about a great fish. The actual virgin of the gospels was James the Just, who opposed Paul's doctrine.

And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Genesis 1:14
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Your claim is contrary to every Christian I have engaged over the last 52 years. I didn't realize you were a fringe member with your own special theology. Good luck.
 
Ebionite

Ebionite

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Firenze said:
Your claim is contrary to every Christian I have engaged over the last 52 years. I didn't realize you were a fringe member with your own special theology. Good luck.
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I'm not any kind of Christian. The church fathers called the Ebionites Christians, but the name of the Christians came from those who followed Paul and the Ebionites rejected him.
 
rosends

rosends

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Ebionite said:
I don't have a problem with using the Hebrew language to support an argument, my position is that the argument should be made in English, that's all.
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If the goal is to avoid the ambiguity of English then Hebrew is necessary. How can one make the argument in English if the point is to use Hebrew?
 
Ebionite

Ebionite

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rosends said:
If the goal is to avoid the ambiguity of English then Hebrew is necessary. How can one make the argument in English if the point is to use Hebrew?
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You can do it by describing the ambiguity in English and including the Hebrew text that resolves it.
 
Kelly of the Phoenix

Kelly of the Phoenix

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Ebionite said:
Molnar's solution isn't a myth. It relates to the Star Prophecy, which definitely wasn't written after the fact.

I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.
Numbers 24:17
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Didn’t Julius Caesar also have a magic star?
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Ebionite said:
I'm not any kind of Christian. The church fathers called the Ebionites Christians, but the name of the Christians came from those who followed Paul and the Ebionites rejected him.
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Thanks for explaining this, I didn't know it.
What books the Ebionites have from Jesus/Yeshua-the truthful Israelite Messiah to follow, please, right?

Regards
 
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