roger1440
I do stuff
http://www.messagetoeagle.com/hadrianwall.php#.V2QD_o-cHIX
Ancient Jewish History:
The Bar-Kokhba Revolt
(132 - 135 CE)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/revolt1.html
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Why Jews did not accept Jesus (pbuh)!
- Thread starter Godobeyer
- Start date
http://www.messagetoeagle.com/hadrianwall.php#.V2QD_o-cHIX
Ancient Jewish History:
The Bar-Kokhba Revolt
(132 - 135 CE)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/revolt1.html
roger1440
I do stuff
And before the Romans there were the Greeks.
"56 When they found the Law scrolls, they tore them to pieces and burned them. 57 If anyone was caught in possession of a copy of the covenant scroll or if anyone kept to the Law, that person was condemned to death by royal decree." (1 Maccabees 1:56-57)
First of all there is nothing Hebrew about the pagan name (Jesus).
Latin Jesus
It was written Iesus
The j is only 500 years old
I.e. = that is or simply the
Sus= pig sow swine
Latin root words not a very fitting name for the messiah.
YHWSA (Yahowsha) the messiah means (Yahowah) saves he said I will come in the fathers name.
Yahowsha and Yahowah are one. The spirtit of Yahowah came upon Yahowsha in the womb. Yahowsha the man had the spirit and soul of Yahowah. So Yahowsha is Yahowah. A diminished manifestation of Yahowah.
Who do you think walked with Adam in the garden? The whole of God or a diminished manifestation? The whole of God fit in the garden I highly doubt the whole of God walked in the garden beside Adam.
You guys worship God who never wanted to be worshiped. He wants a family relationship. Look at all the writings of people falling before Yahowsha and he lifted them upright.
Worship is a poor translation (revere and respect) being more accurate .
The verse honor your mother and father?
Mother the ( RUWACH QODESH )
Father (YAHOWAH)
This understanding is from proper translation of the (Qumran scrolls)
I have 75% of the scrolls properly translated if anyone would like it I can email the files and give you a link to a 3000 page commentary explaining how and why on the translation.
Hope this helps let me know if you want the info.
I put an example of one verse bara does not match the lexicon if you read the commentary it will explain why.
Last edited:
Tumah
Veteran Member
There were many prophets that had the spirit of G-d rest on them. None of them are called "one" with Him.
Please provide Scriptural support that G-d has a soul.
Neither. It says "and the voice of G-d was going in the garden."
Not G-d.
Voice of G-d.
Not whole of G-d.
Voice of G-d.
Not diminished manifestation of G-d.
Voice of G-d.
Ruach can be either masculine or feminine. HaKodesh indicates that in this case, Ruach is masculine. Otherwise it would be Hakedosha.
According to your little tidbit over here, G-d is therefore transgressing Lev. 18:22
jaybird
Member
i thought they heard Him walking. they hid from Him. if all they heard was His voice, how do you hide from that?
not saying your wrong but i always understood it as the Lord was in the garden with them in a form of some sort.
Tumah
Veteran Member
I don't really understand the question. They heard G-d's voice echoing out in the garden, so they hid. They were hiding from G-d. They decided to hide when they heard His voice.
Here are the words (Gen. 3:8):
וישמעו - and they heard
את - (no English counterpart)
קול - voice
ה' אלקים - G-d
מתהלך - going (but in the passive, so kind of like being brought)
בגן - in the garden
קול can also mean sound, but later in verse 10 it says, "Your קול, I heard..." which wouldn't be the right way of talking if it didn't mean voice. It should have said, "I heard you..."
You
There are going to be differences I study tanahk Tumah study's Talmud (oral law).
Tumah
Veteran Member
I haven't mentioned one word out of the Talmud. Everything I've said here, is straight out of Tanach.
Really? What translation are you using?
What text? Masoretic?
Tumah
Veteran Member
The only Hebrew text there is.
That isn't an answer. Masoretic scrolls?
Or Qumran scrolls?
Tumah
Veteran Member
The Masoretic text of course. Currently the only DSS available online of Tanach are from Isaiah. I don't see how that really matters though, since we're discussing proper grammar...
The central disagreement between Judaism and Christianity seems to be that, to accept Christ as Messiah, one would have to take the Messianic prophecies as more metaphorical. The Jews were/are expecting more of a worldly king and Judaism in general is more concerned with worldly matters. But Christianity is influenced by Classical Hellenic and Zoroastrian philosophy (perhaps Buddhism, too), which tends to be more dualistic (Catholicism, especially, is more dualistic and veers into Gnostic dualist territory at times). Christ was an ascetic wandering teacher and He taught about a spiritual Kingdom of God, not a worldly one. He also didn't fulfill all the prophecies during His earthly lifetime and we are to await their fulfillment during the Eschaton. This was all at odds with Pharisaic Judaism, which developed into Rabbinic Judaism. Christianity was originally a sect of Judaism but eventually the two went down very different paths and pretty much parted ways.
That's the most basic and general disagreement, as I see it. But I'm drunk at the moment, so whatever.
We'll just have to wait and see.
That's the most basic and general disagreement, as I see it. But I'm drunk at the moment, so whatever.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Last edited:
Tumah
Veteran Member
I think it was more simply, that he didn't fulfill any of the Messianic prophecies. This problem was alleviated by the originators of Christianity by reinterpreting other verses completely unrelated to the messiah, to be about Jesus.The central disagreement between Judaism and Christianity seems to be that, to accept Christ as Messiah, one would have to take the Messianic prophecies as more metaphorical. The Jews were/are expecting more of a worldly king and Judaism in general is more concerned with worldly matters. But Christianity is influenced by Classical Hellenic and Zoroastrian philosophy (perhaps Buddhism, too), which tends to be more dualistic (Catholicism, especially, is more dualistic and veers into Gnostic dualist territory at times). Christ was an ascetic wandering teacher and He taught about a spiritual Kingdom of God, not a worldly one. He also didn't fulfill all the prophecies during His earthly lifetime and we are to await their fulfillment during the Eschaton. This was all at odds with Pharisaic Judaism, which developed into Rabbinic Judaism. Christianity was originally a sect of Judaism but eventually the two went down very different paths and pretty much parted ways.
That's the most basic and general disagreement, as I see it. But I'm drunk at the moment, so whatever.
There are messianic prophecies that are interpreted in a metaphorical sense in Judaism, like the wolf lying with the lamb and that's not problematic.
There is also no problem with making the claim to being a messiah and that was done more than once by righteous people. Although obviously death prior to fulfillment of prophecy negates that claim.
There is a problem with voiding the Law of G-d, claiming to be G-d and expecting people to take you by your say-so prior to fulfilling messianic prophecy. Miracles do not indicate proof of authenticity or every magic worker would be able to lead Israel to do whatever he wanted them to.
Well, I'm not going to argue with you, because we won't agree and this is a DIR, anyway.
I was just giving my opinion on what the major tension between Judaism and Christianity is over.
Tumah
Veteran Member
Oh yeah, I didn't even realize.Well, I'm not going to argue with you, because we won't agree and this is a DIR, anyway.
Nadia Faiazova
Member
Religious leaders of Jesus's time has their own, wrong, perception of how Messiah should act and behave. Why we can say so? Few Gospel accounts tell us how they rejected the prophesied origin of the Messiah, and purpose of coming to the earth. So having a great power at that time, false teachers influenced or insisted on people not to believe in Jesus from Nazareth as promised Messiah. Comparatively, only few though, followed Jesus, and became his disciples.