rosends
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It isn't about opinion. He says things about Hebrew which are simply wrong.2:03 !! You have a skill to skip the other opinion
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Why Jews did not accept Jesus (pbuh)!
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Tumah
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I think he's just using Yemenite pronunciation of the קמץ. I'm not sure why he's calling the קמץ a חטף סגול and then pronouncing it as a Yemenite קמץ. Especially since in Daniel it is written as a חטף סגול under the א...
So it's like a different accent in Hebrew ?
rosends
Well-Known Member
That was my first concern (aside from his arbitrary pronunciation of the letters when he removed nekudot...why not pronounce it "eileh" 'these'?) - why call a kamatz anything but a kamatz (and I wasn't sure f he said chataf or patach segol, though neither is accurate). I got up to his pronouncing it oloh (not olah) and stopped.
Tumah
Veteran Member
He has a different accent, but the point is that he mixed up the vowels even with his accent. If you read the bottom of the video right at the beginning, he spells it the right way, Elah.
Thanks for these informations
Tumah
Veteran Member
Yeah, that was the mistake I think he made. Yemenites pronounce the קמץ like Ashkenazim do, and that's what he did write. But if you look in Dan. 2:18 its spelled with a חטף סגול which I assume is what he said/meant to say although I also heard פתח סגול which makes no sense. And פתח they do pronounce like Sephardim. But he didn't pronounce it with a חטף סגול either, so he definitely got confused somewhere.
rosends
Well-Known Member
so far I'm at 2:14 where he says people don't like the word "God" because "Gad" is "fortune" and the name of a pagan deity or some such. That's just bizarre. Then at 4:35 or so he confirms what Tumah said -- that in Aramaic the word is Elah, not Allah. He then says that Allah and Alaha are the same word. Weird.
The goal of these videos seems not to be that Allah is God in Aramaic, but that Elah is and Allah is Arabic. This was the point claimed already.
The goal of these videos seems not to be that Allah is God in Aramaic, but that Elah is and Allah is Arabic. This was the point claimed already.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And how could we possibly know one way or the other?
You speaks about first video or second one ?
Elah is God in Arabic
Allah is defined word of Elah. (definition article AL), which become THE GOD.
Elahi in Arabic means my God which same with Aramaic.
rosends
Well-Known Member
1. Both videos
2. Do you see the problem which prompted this? You just wrote "Elahi in Arabic means my God which same with Aramaic" but your signature says "Jesus called God "Allah" in aramaic "
You should change your signature to be "Jesus called God "Elah" in Aramaic"
Both videos !!
Both videos shows and revealed how much similaire of the name of God between Arabic and Aramaic and Hebrew !
In signature ,I just used the defined Arabic word "Allah" of the word undefined word "Elah",for me it's same,it's not big deal,since they have the same root.
http://www.atour.com/cgi-bin/dictionary.cgi?string=God&B1=Search&Search_Field=Meaning&VTI-GROUP=0
Allah is GOD! Even in Aramaic!!
rosends
Well-Known Member
You are making the claim that Jesus said something in Aramaic when you and your videos say that what was said was something else. This might not bother you, but it should be pointed out, in the interest of intellectual integrity.
My videos said something else,and me said what ?
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
This is Bahai view, why the jews did not accept Jesus.
Abdulbaha said:
In the Bible there are prophecies of the coming of Christ. The Jews still await the coming of the Messiah, and pray to God day and night to hasten His advent.
When Christ came they denounced and slew Him, saying: ‘This is not the One for whom we wait. Behold when the Messiah shall come, signs and wonders shall testify that He is in truth the Christ. We know the signs and conditions, and they have not appeared. The Messiah will arise out of an unknown city. He shall sit upon the throne of David, and behold, He shall come with a sword of steel, and with a sceptre of iron shall He rule! He shall fulfil the law of the Prophets, He shall conquer the East and the West, and shall glorify His chosen people the Jews. He shall bring with Him a reign of peace, during which even the animals shall cease to be at enmity with man. For behold the wolf and the lamb shall drink from the same spring, and the lion and the doe shall lie down in the same pasture, the serpent and the mouse shall share the same nest, and all God’s creatures shall be at rest’.
According to the Jews, Jesus the Christ fulfilled none of these conditions, ....
He came from Nazareth, no unknown place. He carried no sword in His hand, nor even a stick. He did not sit upon the Throne of David, He was a poor man. He reformed the Law of Moses, and broke the Sabbath Day. He did not conquer the East and the West, but was Himself subject to the Roman Law. He did not exalt the Jews, but taught equality and brotherhood, and rebuked the Scribes and Pharisees. He brought in no reign of peace, for during His lifetime injustice and cruelty reached such a height that even He Himself fell a victim to it, and died a shameful death upon the cross.....
Hearken, and I will show you the meaning thereof. Although He came from Nazareth, which was a known place, He also came from Heaven. His body was born of Mary, but His Spirit came from Heaven. The sword He carried was the sword of His tongue, with which He divided the good from the evil, the true from the false, the faithful from the unfaithful, and the light from the darkness. His Word was indeed a sharp sword! The Throne upon which He sat is the Eternal Throne from which Christ reigns for ever, a heavenly throne, not an earthly one, for the things of earth pass away but heavenly things pass not away. He re-interpreted and completed the Law of Moses and fulfilled the Law of the Prophets. His word conquered the East and the West. His Kingdom is everlasting. He exalted those Jews who recognized Him. They were men and women of humble birth, but contact with Him made them great and gave them everlasting dignity. The animals who were to live with one another signified the different sects and races, who, once having been at war, were now to dwell in love and charity, drinking together the water of life from Christ the Eternal Spring.
Thus, all the spiritual prophecies concerning the coming of Christ were fulfilled, .....
http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/PT/pt-16.html.utf8
Abdulbaha said:
In the Bible there are prophecies of the coming of Christ. The Jews still await the coming of the Messiah, and pray to God day and night to hasten His advent.
When Christ came they denounced and slew Him, saying: ‘This is not the One for whom we wait. Behold when the Messiah shall come, signs and wonders shall testify that He is in truth the Christ. We know the signs and conditions, and they have not appeared. The Messiah will arise out of an unknown city. He shall sit upon the throne of David, and behold, He shall come with a sword of steel, and with a sceptre of iron shall He rule! He shall fulfil the law of the Prophets, He shall conquer the East and the West, and shall glorify His chosen people the Jews. He shall bring with Him a reign of peace, during which even the animals shall cease to be at enmity with man. For behold the wolf and the lamb shall drink from the same spring, and the lion and the doe shall lie down in the same pasture, the serpent and the mouse shall share the same nest, and all God’s creatures shall be at rest’.
According to the Jews, Jesus the Christ fulfilled none of these conditions, ....
He came from Nazareth, no unknown place. He carried no sword in His hand, nor even a stick. He did not sit upon the Throne of David, He was a poor man. He reformed the Law of Moses, and broke the Sabbath Day. He did not conquer the East and the West, but was Himself subject to the Roman Law. He did not exalt the Jews, but taught equality and brotherhood, and rebuked the Scribes and Pharisees. He brought in no reign of peace, for during His lifetime injustice and cruelty reached such a height that even He Himself fell a victim to it, and died a shameful death upon the cross.....
Hearken, and I will show you the meaning thereof. Although He came from Nazareth, which was a known place, He also came from Heaven. His body was born of Mary, but His Spirit came from Heaven. The sword He carried was the sword of His tongue, with which He divided the good from the evil, the true from the false, the faithful from the unfaithful, and the light from the darkness. His Word was indeed a sharp sword! The Throne upon which He sat is the Eternal Throne from which Christ reigns for ever, a heavenly throne, not an earthly one, for the things of earth pass away but heavenly things pass not away. He re-interpreted and completed the Law of Moses and fulfilled the Law of the Prophets. His word conquered the East and the West. His Kingdom is everlasting. He exalted those Jews who recognized Him. They were men and women of humble birth, but contact with Him made them great and gave them everlasting dignity. The animals who were to live with one another signified the different sects and races, who, once having been at war, were now to dwell in love and charity, drinking together the water of life from Christ the Eternal Spring.
Thus, all the spiritual prophecies concerning the coming of Christ were fulfilled, .....
http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/PT/pt-16.html.utf8
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InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
At least in Bahai view, we believe the reasons that the Bab and Bahaullah were rejected by Muslims and Christians is fundamentally the same reasons, Jews living at the time of Jesus had rejected Jesus. In another words, we believe, one cannot in reality believe in any of the previous prophets, if they cannot believe in Bahaullah, because the Proofs and evidences that these prophets had set forth for the people, is fundamentally the same.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
You, as a Baha'i, are free to believe whatever you believe. If your beliefs make you a better, more loving, more joyous, more socially concerned individual, that's great. If your beliefs make you a better spouse, friend, child, parent, relative, that's fantastic.
However, as Jew and as a rabbi, my personal response to the position set forth in your post can only be -
