Levite
Higher and Higher
LOL...unless someone can trot out some Canaanites, there are no owners more original than us.
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why jews refuse jesus and Mohamed
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LOL...unless someone can trot out some Canaanites, there are no owners more original than us.
Hawkeye112200
Member
With all due respect, I wasn't really interested or concerned about what you feel about Jesus. I mean I can understand why you would think I was angling for that, but I really wasn't trying to sneak Jesus into being your Messiah. I just want to make that clear.
No, what I was interested in, is you used a verse from Deuteronomy to show how prophets can be eliminated. I then proposed a situation of circumstances (and I can only assume you thought I was trying to project Jesus, but again I am not) that presents a question.
Namely, the question of whether or not a people, such as the Jewish people could follow a set of rules, and be told they must follow these rules for eternity. Yet, a time later, they obtain more rules, that can appear to disqualify the older rules, but if examined properly, maybe they don't.
Hence, why I suggested in my previous example, that when the new rule came to love one another, some would be confused by that command, and wonder if it harms any of the preceding commands one was already following.
Within Judaism, there are plenty of rules to follow, and to an outsider like myself, or even an insider that may be new, I can only imagine it would be quite a task to balance the rules so as not to live a life where one interpretation of a rule harms another rule, etc. Does that make sense?
So, to follow up, since you brought up Jesus specifically in your reply, I would personally be interested in maybe having a private discussion with you, I see there is a one to one area on the forum. Only so that I can ask questions to you, so that I may learn why Jesus doesn't qualify. I think it may be interesting for others and myself.
Cheers.
Qualify as what?
Harmonious
Well-Known Member
If you set up that one-on-one thread, please make a link to it in tbis thread.
Hawkeye112200
Member
Hi, well I have heard numerous reason why Jesus doesn't qualify as the Messiah, but only in passing conversations, never from a direct dialog with another person.
I fully respect and accept that Jesus is entirely not part of the Jewish faith.
One thing I have not done, is taken the time to ask someone knowledgeable in the Jewish faith about this, from my on line of questions. Not that I am special, but being honestly curious about the situation, and I am hopeful to learn something new.
I am not sure this forum is the place for that, because it seems a lot of people can be purposely disrespectful, so there seems to be a lot of assumption that everyone has an agenda or wants to bring only bias to a discussion.
I realize this response is more than what you asked about, but I am hoping to have a discussion with someone that would take my questions seriously, because I believe I can not learn by assuming what others think, rather I would like to hear it from them instead.
Perhaps you could get what you're looking for here, but (as others have noted) before entering the discussion you may wish to consider why you do not believe that Muhammad or Bahá'u'lláh qualify as messiahs.
Hawkeye112200
Member
Sure, no problem.
What a lovely link, thank you.
To your point, about Muhammad or Bahá'u'lláh, it is an excellent point. Though I am still admittedly eager to learn this one subject as well.
Perhaps, some Mulism, or person that is in the Baha'i faith could interact with me about that as well.
Jayhawker, what stirs me up I suppose, is within my on community of Christians, it is saturated with people who don't think, don't study, don't question, but rather accept what they are told, and that is the end of it.
I have to believe based on my experience with humans, all religious groups are going to be full of the same kind of people. Yet, within these groups, there are going to be those rare exceptions that have questions and have studied and have challenged not only other faiths and ideology, but their own as well. It is those spirits I enjoy companionship with, and it is in that spirit, I hope to interact on these topics.
I can only hope that is conveyed throughout, as I think I would drop out or pass on the interaction, if I felt it was a tit for tat endeavor.
Then I encourage you to pursue the discussion in the link provided. The purpose of the Judaism DIR forum is to provide just such a venue sans acrimonious debate.
Not I. I have little interest in the soft porn of proselytizing by way of gentle rhetorical 'discussion', but I'm sure you'll find takers elsewhere. :yes:
Harmonious
Well-Known Member
It could be that. Or, it could be an honest search for information.
Hawkeye112200
Member
Wow! This is what I was afraid of.
Maybe it is true, maybe there is some deep rooted effort I am not aware of that will want to proselytize. However, on the surface, I simply have never asked someone from the Jewish faith about the topic of their views on Messiah. I suppose the links then, were your way of telling me to get lost? Sorry, but I am a bit confused.
I will be the first to admit, if I start having a tone of proselytizing, then shame on me, and I would hope someone would call me on it. Though, to presuppose that about me seems hardly mature. However, I say that reluctantly, based off the excellent commentary I have read from your engagements. So, if I have offended you somehow, please accept my apologies.
I am not a preacher, or a wanna be prophet, or wanna be divinely inspired anything trying to spread anything. I shall endeavor to live up to this claim as well.
Good day to you.
Levite
Higher and Higher
Sure, if you like. Set up the thread with a question, and I will try to answer; we can take it from there.
Israelites "were" owners for a short period of time. Just as the Israelites kicked out a few Canaanites .. so too were the Israelites kicked out.
More recent owners are Babylonians ( Iraq), Persians (Iran), Romans (Italy) ... and so on.
I have Scottish background but it is not like I can waltz over to Scotland and claim some land for myself on this basis.
It is not like the Israelites that actually fought for the Canaanite land are related (any more than numerous other semetic races) to the Israelite of today.
Sillyness x 2
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Always reminds me of the good old "Wer ein Jud' ist, bestimme ich!" - Karl Lueger 