Why Pat Condell supports Israel

[Saint Frankenstein]

I admire what I see and Iran. Women are sometimes allowed to take off their veil defiantly and protest the government and not all of them get arrested.

Iran also has a huge list of synagogues, as well as Jewish restaurants, Jewish cemeteries, Jewish schools, and Jewish hospitals.

Saudi Arabia and many Sunni nations like Pakistan would never allow that. Hence, I've grown a lot more fond of shi'ites than sunnis

Yeah, women and religious minorities do have some rights in Iran. There's churches and synagogues in Iran, unlike in Saudi Arabia. Tehran is a cosmopolitan city, as well. I tend to favor Shia over Sunni Islam, too. Interestingly, this Qur'an I bought is a Shia Qur'an and from Syria.

 

[lukethethird]

The difference is that you may say Trump is a pig, you won't be jailed for saying it,
but that won't be the case in Saudi Arabia if one insults the king.

You will be jailed with our blessing and our full support as long as the oil flows west.

 

[FearGod]

The word "racism" has a specific meaning. Please show me the sentence that's racist?

What I think you might be suggesting is that Condell is very critical of Muslim men. That's absolutely true. But "Muslim" is not a race. Being a Muslim is a choice. Being of a race is not a choice. This is an absolutely CRUCIAL distinction.

I believe those who don't believe in God are pigs, do you think I'm a good guy for saying such words
about the disbelievers?

 

[Spiderman]

You might like to study the history of respective spousal ages throughout history before your latest "ZOMG! LOOK AT THE CRAZY MUSLIMS!" claim backfires. Again.

According to Sunni hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad who was 53.

Also, what we recognize as statutory rape is permitted in many Muslim countries.

"The Islamic faith condones pedophilia. Therefore, contemporary pedophilic Islamic marriages are common practice around the globe."
Contemporary Pedophilic Islamic Marriages - WikiIslam

 

[Spiderman]

You might like to study the history of respective spousal ages throughout history before your latest "ZOMG! LOOK AT THE CRAZY MUSLIMS!" claim backfires. Again.

I never said that child marriage is unique to Islam. However, in First World non-islamic countries, it is far more rare.

Do you have any First World non-muslim majoriry countries where pedophilia is condoned?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The word "racism" has a specific meaning. Please show me the sentence that's racist?

What I think you might be suggesting is that Condell is very critical of Muslim men. That's absolutely true. But "Muslim" is not a race. Being a Muslim is a choice. Being of a race is not a choice. This is an absolutely CRUCIAL distinction.

From a semantic, dictionary specific point, this is correct. However, as you well know, many people are bigoted against Muslims, and stereotype Muslims as Arabs, and vice versa. While this may not be racism in the pure, dictionary definition sense, are we all going to pretend that you don't understand that that is what people are referring to by the term in this context?

 

[FearGod]

According to Sunni hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad who was 53.

Also, what we recognize as statutory rape is permitted in many Muslim countries.

"The Islamic faith condones pedophilia. Therefore, contemporary pedophilic Islamic marriages are common practice around the globe."
Contemporary Pedophilic Islamic Marriages - WikiIslam

Why you're bothered for how other nations chose to live?
Live the way you wish in your own home, that's it

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I never said that child marriage is unique to Islam. However, in First World non-islamic countries, it is far more rare.

Do you have any First World non-muslim majoriry countries where pedophilia is condoned?

oh, like the US you mean?
Child marriage in the United States - Wikipedia

However, my point was about what was normal at the time of Muhammed, and, indeed, until quite recently.

 

[icehorse]

I believe those who don't believe in God are pigs, do you think I'm a good guy for saying such words
about the disbelievers?

I think that's an intolerant thing for you to believe. But it's not racist.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

"Racism"here is sketchy. Islam isnt a race

However it is generally understood what is meant by "racism" in this context. Obtusely pretending not to understand does not suggest any interest in a good faith discussion.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Why you're bothered for how other nations chose to live?
Live the way you wish in your own home, that's it

So you're saying your compassion and empathy only extends to those within your borders?

 

[FearGod]

I think that's an intolerant thing for you to believe. But it's not racist.

I would be a good guy then?

 

[icehorse]

From a semantic, dictionary specific point, this is correct. However, as you well know, many people are bigoted against Muslims, and stereotype Muslims as Arabs, and vice versa. While this may not be racism in the pure, dictionary definition sense, are we all going to pretend that you don't understand that that is what people are referring to by the term in this context?

I have heard Pat Condell speak many times. He absolutely detests Islam. He hates the ideas that Islam enshrines. He hates Islam's intolerance of nonMuslims. He hates Islam's misogyny, it's homophobia. He hates Islam's anti-semitism. He hates the fact that Islam calls for theocratic rule.

None of this has to do with Arabs. It has to do with ideas.

 

[icehorse]

I would be a good guy then?

No, it's intolerant. The same way that Islam is intolerant of nonMuslims. Not a good thing at all.

Condell believes Islam is a collection of bad ideas. I agree with him. If you think Islam is a collection of good ideas, then you and I disagree.

 

[FearGod]

So you're saying your compassion and empathy only extends to those within your borders?

Do you mean the Somalis and hunger? yes i believe we should think about them.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Seems pretty sketchy, unless you mean, this person, is literally being 'racist' against certain types of m. Easterners... or..all 'arab' speakers?
No, it may not be racism, why assume that.

Against "certain types" of Middle Easterners, indeed. Or shall we derail a discussion about a clearly understood meaning with a 17 page argument about the semantics of the meaning of "race"?

Will that achieve anything constructive, do you think? Or is it simply a cheap tactic of the cognitively dissonant to allow themselves to pretend they aren't "really" racist?

"Bigot" may be a more technically correct term, however I'm pretty sure everyone understands what is meant when someone calls someone a "sand****** terrorist" because of where they come from, and they are criticised for "racism".

 

[FearGod]

No, it's intolerant. The same way that Islam is intolerant of nonMuslims. Not a good thing at all.

Condell believes Islam is a collection of bad ideas. I agree with him. If you think Islam is a collection of good ideas, then you and I disagree.

I believe atheism is all about drugs and alcohol, because Islam is against drugs and alcohol.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I have heard Pat Condell speak many times. He absolutely detests Islam. He hates the ideas that Islam enshrines. He hates Islam's intolerance of nonMuslims. He hates Islam's misogyny, it's homophobia. He hates Islam's anti-semitism. He hates the fact that Islam calls for theocratic rule.

None of this has to do with Arabs. It has to do with ideas.

Suuuure. Ever heard him express the same contempt for white Christians with similar opinions? Of course not. Suggesting there's something else he's worked up about other than "ideas". Hmmmm... what could it be?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Oh yeah, theres that. I mean, the criticism can be outside race.

Of course.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Sure it does. Ever heard him express the same contempt for white Christians with similar opinions? Of course not. Suggesting there's something else he's worked up about other than "ideas". Hmmmm... what could it be?

Well, he's English. There's barely any white Christians there. The Anglican church is on the verge of collapse in a few decades due to dwindling membership.