Why priest are not allowed to get married in christianity?

[Gaura Priya]

I understand what you mean. Though one can argue against Anglican being apostolic, but thats better saved somewhere else.

It is just simply a discipline that has stuck. Whether or not it will ever be taken away and the Eastern form adopted is doubtfully never going to happen. Its part of the Latin Rite, part of our spirituality and part of the priesthood and the discipline that comes with it.

Then I'd rather be an Eastern Catholic, or Orthodox... heck better be Anglican.

They're heretics all around! :yes: And their parishes are more traditional than the Catholic parish I grew up with.

The thing is, I see it very much as a discrepancy when the Catholic Church claims to be the Mother Church, the true Church, the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church... and yet these rites, and verily the other denominations of Orthodoxy and Anglicanism, both claim to also be One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic (and the both keep the parts of the Bible which Catholics like, and the Orthodox tack on a little more for size!)

Assuming that the contested lineage (Anglicanism is more accepting that both other denominations DO have proper succession, even if differing in practice and polity) is exclusive, than the idea of forbidding priests to marry become glaringly different, and almost anti-Biblical when the Bible also says that forbidding a group of people to marry is a warning sign of anti-Biblical doctrine.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Then I'd rather be an Eastern Catholic, or Orthodox... heck better be Anglican.

They're heretics all around! :yes: And their parishes are more traditional than the Catholic parish I grew up with.

Not sure how traditional Anglicans are. But sure, EO and ERC can be very traditional. But Orthodox and Eastern Rite are not considered Heretics at all.

The thing is, I see it very much as a discrepancy when the Catholic Church claims to be the Mother Church, the true Church, the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church... and yet these rites, and verily the other denominations of Orthodoxy and Anglicanism, both claim to also be One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic (and the both keep the parts of the Bible which Catholics like, and the Orthodox tack on a little more for size!)

Orthodox do not tack on more nor less. They have almost same beliefs, just do not recognize Papal supremacy and filique. BUt no, Orthodox who are not in communion with us, are still apostolic as with oriental orthodox

Assuming that the contested lineage (Anglicanism is more accepting that both other denominations DO have proper succession, even if differing in practice and polity) is exclusive, than the idea of forbidding priests to marry become glaringly different, and almost anti-Biblical when the Bible also says that forbidding a group of people to marry is a warning sign of anti-Biblical doctrine.

We do not forbid it. Latin Rite just picks priest from thouse who have already voluntarily taken upon themselfs the vow of celibacy.

 

[AhmadSyahir]

1- no
2-yes

I accept no your answer. If "it is better for you to stay unmarried","married person will have their interest divided","married person will be more to world affairs" doesn't mean that unmarried is better, I think you don't realize it should be read literally.

1.You can say that celibacy is better for those who able to and you will sounds good at first, but the word "married person care more of the world affairs" strenghten that it's better to remain unmarried regardless of any condition. The reason for being single is because you're going to sacrifice your interest and that will put celibacy in the first place.
This will put celibacy infront of marriage and since there's only 2 status that exist, celibacy is the 'best'.

Yes it's optional but still, celibacy is the 'best' in term of status according to Christianity.

Strongest proof that I hold onto is: "a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world" and make his interest divided. If your interest is not divided, you will be sure to have 100% focus on your Lord's affairs. To make your interest not divided is to adopt celibacy according to the word.


2.It is good for a man not to touch a woman. [2] But for fear of fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

"Good for a man not to touch a woman" mean to strengthen the good side of celibacy.

Suddenly," But for fear of fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."
What the?? It did say celibacy which is rationally unnatural is good and then they fear of fornication. From the word above, Christianity also promotes marriage and that will be against the first recommendation which is celibacy.

Obviously that celibacy led to fornication as the practitioner cannot satisfy their sexual need except for 'special cases' which I don't want to discuss in this thread.

I'll hold onto this in this discussion:"It's better to get married for fear of fornication"

Conclusion:
It's better to remain unmarried:-interest will be divided
-more to world affairs than Lord's affair

It's better to get married:-fear of fornication(celibacy is one of the reasons)

How should we suppose to choose? This is the matter of choice not call. If I stand still and wait for the call.....there will be no decision.

If you choose to remain unmarried, you will be exposed to fornication but if you choose to get married, you cannot fulfill the 'best' status of the religion which is try to archive by many priest of Christianity but end up sadly.

 

[AhmadSyahir]

I dunno... the Bible is pretty clear that living a single life is better than married life, but in no wise forbids it. I just don't understand why Catholicism has loopholes in the no-marriage-to-priests system WHEN Eastern Rite Catholic priests can marry, when Anglican-priests-turn-Catholic can keep their wives, etc. Both the Orthodox and the Anglican Churches, denominations who both claim lineage back to Apostolic succession up to Jesus Christ in the same way as Catholics, do not forbid marriage towards their priests or bishops.

So I really can not understand this principle with the Catholic denomination of Christianity, having been born and raised in it.

Another brilliant human being. They want to follow the 'best' way that were taught by bible but it's clearly that celibacy is unnatural for normal human being.

Trying to go against nature is not brilliant at all. I'll challenge you to just consume water to survive for your whole life. That will bring harm to yourself and can caused death(heavy consequences).

 

[Gaura Priya]

Not sure how traditional Anglicans are. But sure, EO and ERC can be very traditional. But Orthodox and Eastern Rite are not considered Heretics at all.

Most Anglicans utilise the Book of Common Prayer or the modern Book of Alternative Services for their services. However, there are also High Church services for those who want a more traditional liturgy.

Try going to a local parish. And then attend a High Anglican Mass. Just beautiful... and the fact that they chant their English liturgy (like it's supposed to be done) makes it more beautiful to me.

Orthodox do not tack on more nor less. They have almost same beliefs, just do not recognize Papal supremacy and filique. BUt no, Orthodox who are not in communion with us, are still apostolic as with oriental orthodox

I'm referring to Orthodox canon of the Bible. I have yet to see a Catholic Bible with 3 and 4 Maccabees, 151st Psalm, the Book of Enoch, etc. I am very familiar with the filioque controversy.

We do not forbid it. Latin Rite just picks priest from thouse who have already voluntarily taken upon themselfs the vow of celibacy.

No born-and-raised Catholic priest of the Roman/Latin Rite has ever been allowed to take on a wife during his ministry. Celibacy, unless he leaves the ministry. And yet Eastern Rite Catholics can take on wives and former Anglicans who are now Catholic priests can keep their wives.

That just screams unfair in my eyes.

 

[Gaura Priya]

Another brilliant human being. They want to follow the 'best' way that were taught by bible but it's clearly that celibacy is unnatural for normal human being.

Trying to go against nature is not brilliant at all. I'll challenge you to just consume water to survive for your whole life. That will bring harm to yourself and can caused death(heavy consequences).

I believe firmly in the existence of asexuality as a sexual orientation in human beings, and you can not deny that there have been people all throughout history who did not take on a sex life. I'm not saying anything in force, but some men and women just naturally do not feel that they need a sex life.

That is why I believe you can still be single and live a full life (masturbation should be allowable also in this case; it keeps the sanity, unless one is asexual) without the necessity of having married life, or a partner, girlfriend or boyfriend.

I feel that relationships and marriage in general are overrated and overemphasised to those who chose a single life, which SHOULD also be admirable.

 

[Quiddity]

No born-and-raised Catholic priest of the Roman/Latin Rite has ever been allowed to take on a wife during his ministry. Celibacy, unless he leaves the ministry. And yet Eastern Rite Catholics can take on wives and former Anglicans who are now Catholic priests can keep their wives.

That just screams unfair in my eyes.

Unfair to whom? You realize the men who chose this path new they couldn't get married right? It's a non-issue to them. On the other hand a man that comes into the faith that is already married would have no choice if the Church required the same from them.

 

[crystalonyx]

Is it true that priest is not allowed to get married in christianity? And why?

Some of it used to be that having sex was sinful, and that the only way to remain pure was to obstain from sexual relations, at least for priests.

 

[Me Myself]

Another brilliant human being. They want to follow the 'best' way that were taught by bible but it's clearly that celibacy is unnatural for normal human being.

Trying to go against nature is not brilliant at all. I'll challenge you to just consume water to survive for your whole life. That will bring harm to yourself and can caused death(heavy consequences).

Meditation can make one´s sex desires to fade. It is not hard at all even.

(of course if one wishes, meditation can help encourage those same desires )

Does Islam doesn´t have fasting as one posible way of spirituality may I ask?

 

[Gaura Priya]

Unfair to whom? You realize the men who chose this path new they couldn't get married right? It's a non-issue to them. On the other hand a man that comes into the faith that is already married would have no choice if the Church required the same from them.

I guess that is true.

However, I still believe, as since the Bible does mention bishops having a wife, that priests should also be able to take a wife in their ministry.

 

[Nakosis]

Nope it doesn't make them tainted nor unworthy of performing Mass. It is a discipline which has been taken onto the Latin Rite priest and religious.

I take it you are just a disgruntled ex-Catholic, right? You said you thought of joining a monastery. Which order? What made you decide not to?

I first came across a Monastery when I was 13. It was a Servite Order. It was at Benedict Castle in Riverside CA. Pancake breakfast for Teen Challenge. I thought how great it would be to be allowed to study/worship at such a peaceful serene place. I thought often about it through my teen years. I didn't know how to join, was never presented the opportunity. Life just went it's own direction.

I wouldn't say I'm disgruntled as much as opinionated. I've nothing against people who choose to be Catholic, just neither do I see reason to accept Papal authority.

 

[Songbird]

If you choose to remain unmarried, you will be exposed to fornication but if you choose to get married, you cannot fulfill the 'best' status of the religion which is try to archive by many priest of Christianity but end up sadly.

Priesthood is not considered the "best" status. Christianity broadly says that the "best" status is for each person to carry out his or her perceived calling, which obviously varies. No religion's texts stand on their own without some context, including the scriptures addressing marital state or celibacy. I can't fathom why people still try to insist on the clarity of a single verse or handful of them without researching the culture a little.

 

[Me Myself]

I don´t think it is that unfair.

that said, I do believe that abstinence votes should be accounted sepparately than the dutties of a priest.

As noted, Simon Peter was married, and he was the FIRST pope (according to catholic teaching). If the first pope urdained by Jesus was good enough even having a wife, then any priest of todays ould be able to exercise full priest duties and also have a wife.

I would say it is unfair for priests that would have wanted to have a family in some regard, but as noted, they did make the choice themselves.

My position is simply that there shouldn´t be forced to choose one or the other.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Most Anglicans utilise the Book of Common Prayer or the modern Book of Alternative Services for their services. However, there are also High Church services for those who want a more traditional liturgy.

Try going to a local parish. And then attend a High Anglican Mass. Just beautiful... and the fact that they chant their English liturgy (like it's supposed to be done) makes it more beautiful to me.

Maybe I will try and find one. I herd the one downtown is nice.

I'm referring to Orthodox canon of the Bible. I have yet to see a Catholic Bible with 3 and 4 Maccabees, 151st Psalm, the Book of Enoch, etc. I am very familiar with the filioque controversy.

That is fine. Though I didn't know all Orthodox have thous books. My understanding is that some have more and some have less then other Orthodox.

No born-and-raised Catholic priest of the Roman/Latin Rite has ever been allowed to take on a wife during his ministry. Celibacy, unless he leaves the ministry. And yet Eastern Rite Catholics can take on wives and former Anglicans who are now Catholic priests can keep their wives.

That just screams unfair in my eyes.

Eastern Rite and Orthodox Priest can not get married while being Priest. So they either marry before or stay single and stay celibate.

As with the Anglicans, they can, but they take a vow to still be celibate.

 

[JacobEzra.]

I accept no your answer. If "it is better for you to stay unmarried","married person will have their interest divided","married person will be more to world affairs" doesn't mean that unmarried is better, I think you don't realize it should be read literally.

No I do realize it is to be read literally. I also realize one needs to read the whole chapter and understand the option of married and single life in light of the whole chapter and context as well as the Gospel. You lack understanding, either because you do not want to, or because you just refuse to read the whole chapter and read my posts.

 

[Gaura Priya]

Maybe I will try and find one. I herd the one downtown is nice.

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I go to Saint James' Anglican once in a while. It has incense, smells and bells, the priest facing God as opposed to the altar, chanted liturgy, professional classical choir, etc. everything I didn't get as a Catholic. I was subject to hymns written in the 60's and the 70's with guitars and sax in my local parish, topped with Charismatic worship. My Catholic upbringing was very much a cultural, hippyish and Protestant-y one.

That is fine. Though I didn't know all Orthodox have thous books. My understanding is that some have more and some have less then other Orthodox.

As a whole Church compared to Catholicism, their Biblical canon is still bigger.

Eastern Rite and Orthodox Priest can not get married while being Priest. So they either marry before or stay single and stay celibate.

As with the Anglicans, they can, but they take a vow to still be celibate.

Good to know. Just another confirmation why Catholicism in the long run isn't for me, as much as I love the tradition.

 

[Nakosis]

I don´t think it is that unfair.

My position is simply that there shouldn´t be forced to choose one or the other.

Yes, I'd agree with that. :yes:

 

[JacobEzra.]

I first came across a Monastery when I was 13. It was a Servite Order. It was at Benedict Castle in Riverside CA. Pancake breakfast for Teen Challenge. I thought how great it would be to be allowed to study/worship at such a peaceful serene place. I thought often about it through my teen years. I didn't know how to join, was never presented the opportunity. Life just went it's own direction.

I wouldn't say I'm disgruntled as much as opinionated. I've nothing against people who choose to be Catholic, just neither do I see reason to accept Papal authority.

If you was able to join, would you have such opinions and disregard for Papal authority?

 

[Nakosis]

If you was able to join, would you have such opinions and disregard for Papal authority?

I don't know. That was a lifetime ago. I suspect I'd be a different person.
Since, I've been involved, influenced by numerous religions.

I've become pretty jaded about any kind of authority, religious or otherwise. You look up to someone and they let you down. I've come to accept everyone is human and has their faults. More important to work on my on faults, but there is nothing wrong with helping each other when we can.

I think it a mistake to accept the authority of someone you don't really know. The Pope just happens to be the "big" authority as far as Catholicism goes. I don't know him why should I trust anything he says?

 

[Quiddity]

I don't know. That was a lifetime ago. I suspect I'd be a different person.
Since, I've been involved, influenced by numerous religions.

I've become pretty jaded about any kind of authority, religious or otherwise. You look up to someone and they let you down. I've come to accept everyone is human and has their faults. More important to work on my on faults, but there is nothing wrong with helping each other when we can.

I think it a mistake to accept the authority of someone you don't really know. The Pope just happens to be the "big" authority as far as Catholicism goes. I don't know him why should I trust anything he says?

I trust my doctor, but I don't know him very well.