Why should a Christian even look into Islam as a Possible true Faith?

[2ndpillar]

Hi

I don’t know why but I find this quistion of why woul youI look into Islam as a Christian a bit short minded, no offense.
From my opinion it’s to understand what other people believe and why they believe the things they believe. And also to expand your knowledge to strengthen your own beliefs.
I am a Muslim and I am not afraid to expand my research outside of Islam. Always interesting to know en hear perspectives of others. But I understand why people like to stay in their bubble and I don’t have any issues as with that. Like Allah told us in the Quran. There is no compulsion in religion.

Maybe you should question the narrative of your religion. According to the Muslim tradition, this guy called Muhammad (the praised one), was a conduit of messages from some angel of light, called Gabriel, from some being named "Allah", a term taken from the world traders known as the Nabateans, located in Petra. The religion is based around a man with no actual name given in this Koran, supposedly written after the murder of this supposed prophet, because the content was not consistent among the supposed followers of Muhammad, after a great many of his supposed companions were killed in battle, and a place, called "Mecca", which was later written into the Koran, and with parathesis used as it was not original to the following manuscripts. The only place named in the Koran, was "Becca", the "gathering place", which is actually delineated in Petra, not a non existing world trading center, in a non lush place called Mecca, in the early 7th century. If you check the original direction of the original prayer walls in north Africa, and Spain, along with the early mosques, they point in the direction of Petra and Jerusalem, not Mecca, which did not exist on any trading map until after the 8th century, or in any independent writings of the period. Your religion is a narrative written starting around the time of Arab ruler of Jerusalem, Abd al-Malik, who was imitating the Roman emperor Constantine, in creating a state religion to unite his empire. In the early 7th century, Mecca was located in desolate wilderness, as it is still today. No orchards or canals, as with your mythical Mecca. The writers of your narrative were mostly Persians, written in Persia, not Mecca. The compulsion in religion, is that if you are a Muslim, and you refute Mohammad, you are subject to death by your religion.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

rejecting the Quran means you reject god words.

That gets you Muslim hell, correct, which is roughly the same as Christian hell, but for not believing the Qur'an rather than the New Testament, correct?

"In Islam, Jahannam is the place of punishment for unbelievers and evildoers in the afterlife, or hell. This notion is an integral part of Islamic theology, and has occupied an important place in the Muslim belief."

"Iblīs, in Islam, the personal name of the Devil, possibly derived from the Greek diabolos. Iblīs, the counterpart of Satan in Christianity, is also referred to as ʿAduw Allāh ( “Enemy of God”), al-Aduw (“Enemy”), or, when he is portrayed as a tempter, al-Shayṭān (“Demon”). At the creation of humanity, God ordered all his angels to bow down in obedience before Adam. Iblīs refused, claiming he was a nobler being since he was created of fire whereas human beings came only of clay. For this exhibition of pride and disobedience, God threw Iblīs out of heaven. His punishment, however, was postponed until Judgment Day, when he and his host will have to face the eternal fires of hell; until that time he is allowed to tempt all but true believers to evil."

My position would be the same if we lived in the time of Jesus. If you reject the revelation that was giving to Jesus then that would also be not acceptable.

But you reject Christian doctrine. Merely calling Jesus a prophet or a messenger of God is not what the Christian god requires to avoid perdition. You have to accept the notion of the resurrection, the blood of Christ paying for your sins, and that Jesus now sits at the right hand of God and represents the only path to salvation.

Also, you just wrote, "everyone has to come to their own conclusion of what is the truth," but now you write that it is "not acceptable" to hold certain opinions about the validity of the Christians' claims. Do you not know that they find your beliefs unacceptable, or more properly, they hold that their god finds those beliefs inadequate?

 

[2ndpillar]

Well first thing I believe that everyone has to come to their own conclusion of what is the truth. Is accountable their own choices.

But to your first question, obviously I believe Islam is the truth and since I believe that’s the truth, I want people to accept Islam so they are in good shape in the afterlife.

To your second question, no since rejecting the Quran means you reject god words. My position would be the same if we lived in the time of Jesus. If you reject the revelation that was giving to Jesus then that would also be not acceptable.

The "revelation" given by "Jesus", is that the "false prophets" were coming. (Matthew 7:12-15) and mislead the "many" on the wide path to "destruction". History seems to affirm that "revelation".

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Maybe you should question the narrative of your religion. According to the Muslim tradition, this guy called Muhammad (the praised one), was a conduit of messages from some angel of light, called Gabriel, from some being named "Allah", a term taken from the world traders known as the Nabateans, located in Petra. The religion is based around a man with no actual name given in this Koran, supposedly written after the murder of this supposed prophet, because the content was not consistent among the supposed followers of Muhammad, after a great many of his supposed companions were killed in battle, and a place, called "Mecca", which was later written into the Koran, and with parathesis used as it was not original to the following manuscripts. The only place named in the Koran, was "Becca", the "gathering place", which is actually delineated in Petra, not a non existing world trading center, in a non lush place called Mecca, in the early 7th century. If you check the original direction of the original prayer walls in north Africa, and Spain, along with the early mosques, they point in the direction of Petra and Jerusalem, not Mecca, which did not exist on any trading map until after the 8th century, or in any independent writings of the period. Your religion is a narrative written starting around the time of Arab ruler of Jerusalem, Abd al-Malik, who was imitating the Roman emperor Constantine, in creating a state religion to unite his empire. In the early 7th century, Mecca was located in desolate wilderness, as it is still today. No orchards or canals, as with your mythical Mecca. The writers of your narrative were mostly Persians, written in Persia, not Mecca. The compulsion in religion, is that if you are a Muslim, and you refute Mohammad, you are subject to death by your religion.

Refute Mohammed and I will be subject by death?

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Maybe you should question the narrative of your religion. According to the Muslim tradition, this guy called Muhammad (the praised one), was a conduit of messages from some angel of light, called Gabriel, from some being named "Allah", a term taken from the world traders known as the Nabateans, located in Petra. The religion is based around a man with no actual name given in this Koran, supposedly written after the murder of this supposed prophet, because the content was not consistent among the supposed followers of Muhammad, after a great many of his supposed companions were killed in battle, and a place, called "Mecca", which was later written into the Koran, and with parathesis used as it was not original to the following manuscripts. The only place named in the Koran, was "Becca", the "gathering place", which is actually delineated in Petra, not a non existing world trading center, in a non lush place called Mecca, in the early 7th century. If you check the original direction of the original prayer walls in north Africa, and Spain, along with the early mosques, they point in the direction of Petra and Jerusalem, not Mecca, which did not exist on any trading map until after the 8th century, or in any independent writings of the period. Your religion is a narrative written starting around the time of Arab ruler of Jerusalem, Abd al-Malik, who was imitating the Roman emperor Constantine, in creating a state religion to unite his empire. In the early 7th century, Mecca was located in desolate wilderness, as it is still today. No orchards or canals, as with your mythical Mecca. The writers of your narrative were mostly Persians, written in Persia, not Mecca. The compulsion in religion, is that if you are a Muslim, and you refute Mohammad, you are subject to death by your religion.

Refute Mohammed and I will be subject by death?

That gets you Muslim hell, correct, which is roughly the same as Christian hell, but for not believing the Qur'an rather than the New Testament, correct?

"In Islam, Jahannam is the place of punishment for unbelievers and evildoers in the afterlife, or hell. This notion is an integral part of Islamic theology, and has occupied an important place in the Muslim belief."

"Iblīs, in Islam, the personal name of the Devil, possibly derived from the Greek diabolos. Iblīs, the counterpart of Satan in Christianity, is also referred to as ʿAduw Allāh ( “Enemy of God”), al-Aduw (“Enemy”), or, when he is portrayed as a tempter, al-Shayṭān (“Demon”). At the creation of humanity, God ordered all his angels to bow down in obedience before Adam. Iblīs refused, claiming he was a nobler being since he was created of fire whereas human beings came only of clay. For this exhibition of pride and disobedience, God threw Iblīs out of heaven. His punishment, however, was postponed until Judgment Day, when he and his host will have to face the eternal fires of hell; until that time he is allowed to tempt all but true believers to evil."

But you reject Christian doctrine. Merely calling Jesus a prophet or a messenger of God is not what the Christian god requires to avoid perdition. You have to accept the notion of the resurrection, the blood of Christ paying for your sins, and that Jesus now sits at the right hand of God and represents the only path to salvation.

Also, you just wrote, "everyone has to come to their own conclusion of what is the truth," but now you write that it is "not acceptable" to hold certain opinions about the validity of the Christians' claims. Do you not know that they find your beliefs unacceptable, or more properly, they hold that their god finds those beliefs inadequate?

Yes if you reject gods messenger then god will punish you. Same goes when in the time of Moses. If you rejected Moses then god will punish you.

And about scripture. If there is only one god then we have to determine which message is from god. Like I said before acceptable for god not for me. Everyone can decide what they want.

Well there are reasons why I reject the Christian doctrine for multiple reasons.

And to your last part. I said acceptable through Allah not for me. Allah will judge us for our decisions. For my vieuw I hope that they make the right decision but if they don’t then it’s their loss.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

The "revelation" given by "Jesus", is that the "false prophets" were coming. (Matthew 7:12-15) and mislead the "many" on the wide path to "destruction". History seems to affirm that "revelation".

Sorry don’t get your argument?
Revelation that was giving to Jesus. For us is the injeel.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

The "revelation" given by "Jesus", is that the "false prophets" were coming. (Matthew 7:12-15) and mislead the "many" on the wide path to "destruction". History seems to affirm that "revelation".

And sorry I think your definition of revelation are not the same so yeah

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Yes if you reject gods messenger then god will punish you.

I realize that that is the belief of many and what they have been taught, but many others realize that there is no good reason to believe such threats and so don't. The best way to address gods and religion is to recognize that nobody knows any more about gods than anybody else, to disregard all who claim to know otherwise or to be speaking for a god, and to realize that there is no reason to be a theist or to believe any holy books or religion's claims.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

I realize that that is the belief of many and what they have been taught, but many others realize that there is no good reason to believe such threats and so don't. The best way to address gods and religion is to recognize that nobody knows any more about gods than anybody else, to disregard all who claim to know otherwise or to be speaking for a god, and to realize that there is no reason to be a theist or to believe any holy books or religion's claims.

Yes I know many realize that they don’t believe such a thing, and I don’t have any issues with that. Everyone should come to their own beliefs.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

How many people do you know that go around discussing their sexual preference?

I am of the generation that never shared this sort of thing, and I find it highly aggravating when people do this. However, it HAS become much more common for people who are LGBT to wear their orientation on their shoulder.

To such people I say: I DON"T CARE what your orientation is. But please whatever it is, keep it to yourself. Sex is a private thing, like going to the bathroom. I want to hear about your thoughts on the issues; I do not want to hear about your sexual proclivities.. Do not shove your private sex life on me.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Yes if you reject gods messenger then god will punish you.

Does it make sense to you that God punishes Christians for not believing in Quran, yet, there is no proof as to why Quran is really word of God?

Suppose you were born a Christian. Why would you believe that after Jesus, should another Messenger come, and if so, why would you believe that Muhammad is that Messenger?

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Does it make sense to you that God punishes Christians for not believing in Quran, yet, there is no proof as to why Quran is really word of God?

Suppose you were born a Christian. Why would you believe that after Jesus, should another Messenger come, and if so, why would you believe that Muhammad is that Messeng

Does it make sense to you that God punishes Christians for not believing in Quran, yet, there is no proof as to why Quran is really word of God?

Suppose you were born a Christian. Why would you believe that after Jesus, should another Messenger come, and if so, why would you believe that Muhammad is that Messenger?

God punishes those who fail on their test in this life.. if it’s those who reject the message or reject god. God is all knowing and will make the right judgement since he is just.
And Quran having no proof that’s not from god is your opinion, I assume you have read it ?

Well a hard quistion since I wasn’t a born Christian. But I would think that being sincere in someone believes would eventually lead to Islam.
Mohamed being the last prophet makes sense and 1 of the reasons there is nothing preserved from Jesus. So yeah it’s just how you look at it

 

[Ebionite]

Although I am not a Muslim, it is my understanding that Allah is the same as the Judeo/Christian God (YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, etc.)

The problem is that the nature of the Judeo-Christian God is shaped by Pauline doctrine, but the Quran says nothing about Paul or his doctrine.
This difference is reflected in the different descriptions of the crucifixion that are found in the Bible & the Quran.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

The problem is that the nature of the Judeo-Christian God is shaped by Pauline doctrine, but the Quran says nothing about Paul or his doctrine.
This difference is reflected in the different descriptions of the crucifixion that are found in the Bible & the Quran

Yes in Islam we believe that it’s the same god. We believe there is only one god. The god of Abraham, Moses and jesus. And yes Christianity is based on Paul, that’s why he is called the founder of Christianity

 

[Ebionite]

Mohamed being the last prophet

A sealed book is described in the book of Isaiah in connection with someone who is not learned. The Hebrew phrase that is translated as "not learned" can be directly translated as "not know book", which can describe an illiterate man as well as to an unlearned one.

	Isaiah 29​
11	And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which [men] deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it [is] sealed:
12	And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

The Hadith relates that Muhammad was asked to read but protested that he was illiterate. Being pressed is an action that occurs when a seal is made on something physical which is used to record information, which relates to Muhammad being described as the seal of the prophets in the Quran.

An Angel came to him and asked him to read. Allah's Messenger () replied, "I do not know how to read." The Prophet () added, "Then the Angel held me (forcibly) and pressed me so hard that I felt distressed. Then he released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he held me again and pressed me for the second time till I felt distressed. He then released me and asked me to read, but again I replied. 'I do not know how to read.'
Bukhari 4953

Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
Quran, Surah 33:40 (Yusuf Ali)

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

A sealed book is described in the book of Isaiah in connection with someone who is not learned. The Hebrew phrase that is translated as "not learned" can be directly translated as "not know book", which can describe an illiterate man as well as to an unlearned one.

	Isaiah 29​
11	And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which [men] deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it [is] sealed:
12	And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

The Hadith relates that Muhammad was asked to read but protested that he was illiterate. Being pressed is an action that occurs when a seal is made on something physical which is used to record information, which relates to Muhammad being described as the seal of the prophets in the Quran.

An Angel came to him and asked him to read. Allah's Messenger () replied, "I do not know how to read." The Prophet () added, "Then the Angel held me (forcibly) and pressed me so hard that I felt distressed. Then he released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he held me again and pressed me for the second time till I felt distressed. He then released me and asked me to read, but again I replied. 'I do not know how to read.'
Bukhari 4953

Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.
Quran, Surah 33:40 (Yusuf Ali)

Yes I have heard of this. And if I am not wrong according to Jewish religion it’s possible for gentiles to be right toward god. I only don’t remember where I read this.

 

[2ndpillar]

And sorry I think your definition of revelation are not the same so yeah

The only prophet that the Koran actually names is Issa, son of Mariam, which would be who you call "Jesus". The Muslim narrative actually names your Muhammad (the praised one), as the son of the slave to the moon god, whose idol was kept at Petra. And the "message" of Yeshua, was the message of the kingdom of heaven, as stated in Matthew 13:13, which is a story of two messages, one of the "devil" and one of the "son of man", in which the "message" of the "devil"/"enemy", will stick around until the "end of the age", at which time we are now in, and at which time the angels will come and start gathering the "wicked" (those who commit lawlessness), and throwing them into the furnace of fire (Mt 13:13-42).

 

[2ndpillar]

Well a hard quistion since I wasn’t a born Christian. But I would think that being sincere in someone believes would eventually lead to Islam.
Mohamed being the last prophet makes sense and 1 of the reasons there is nothing preserved from Jesus. So yeah it’s just how you look at it

According to the Baha faith, Mohammad was not the last prophet. According to the Shia, the Mahdi is still to come, and possibly with "Jesus" as a helper. Keep in mind that the Koran describes Issa (Jesus) as a prophet of God.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

The only prophet that the Koran actually names is Issa, son of Mariam, which would be who you call "Jesus". The Muslim narrative actually names your Muhammad (the praised one), as the son of the slave to the moon god, whose idol was kept at Petra. And the "message" of Yeshua, was the message of the kingdom of heaven, as stated in Matthew 13:13, which is a story of two messages, one of the "devil" and one of the "son of man", in which the "message" of the "devil"/"enemy", will stick around until the "end of the age", at which time we are now in, and at which time the angels will come and start gathering the "wicked" (those who commit lawlessness), and throwing them into the furnace of fire (Mt 13:13-42).

I don’t know what you are one about?
Only prophet is mention in the Quran is Issa?
Are we talking about the same topic?

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

According to the Baha faith, Mohammad was not the last prophet. According to the Shia, the Mahdi is still to come, and possibly with "Jesus" as a helper. Keep in mind that the Koran describes Issa (Jesus) as a prophet of God.

I don’t know where they get their doctrine from but it’s says in the Quran that Mohamed was the last prophet. Jesus will come in his second coming since he is the messiah