Why should husband and wife/wives own property jointly?

[lewisnotmiller]

The reason is that if a wife chooses to stay at home and raise children, giving up progressing her career, the government has an interest in protecting the wife financially, should the husband be viloent, adulterous, run away with another girl or just a deadbeat in general.

Err...I'm not really sure THAT is how I would put it.
Anywhooos...my take is that marriage is a commitment for life. I understand that people and circumstances change, and therefore divorce happens, etc, but the reason things are owned jointly is that you have joined your life. It's obviously going to be a little tricky to 'unjoin', but then again, no-one forced you to get married. And any difficulty working out who gets the car is going to pale into insignificance when you end up dealing with young 'uns. Who owns them?

 

[Curious George]

The pros and cons of owning property with the spouse or having the properties separately in the societies in the East and the West.
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Hmm, I am not completely familiar with separate properties of the east. Ownership usually only matters with respect to husbands and wives when there is a dissolution, death, or tax ramifications.

While I would suggest that the regard for gender is affected by how that society treats genders differently (and ownership certainly falls into that category), I am not sure that it is greatly significant until there is a death, dissolution, or taxes.

If you are asking about the presumption that what a party adds to the estate is presumed equally owned, then I would suggest this is just a presumption and that it is a fair one.

 

[leibowde84]

Err...I'm not really sure THAT is how I would put it.
Anywhooos...my take is that marriage is a commitment for life. I understand that people and circumstances change, and therefore divorce happens, etc, but the reason things are owned jointly is that you have joined your life. It's obviously going to be a little tricky to 'unjoin', but then again, no-one forced you to get married. And any difficulty working out who gets the car is going to pale into insignificance when you end up dealing with young 'uns. Who owns them?

That is another consideration. I agree.

 

[paarsurrey]

Anything that is used equally by both should be considered joint property shouldn't it? Like the house itself, furniture in the house, if the couple has but one car it is joint property. Many times couples buy two of something so there is a "his" and "hers": cars, computers, phones, and so on. They may still use each other's as they are still jointly owned, but just to make things easier.

It would not make sense to me for one person in a couple to own all the property, or to divide everything up as to who owns what. To me that just lays it out there that the couple, or at least the one of them driving the whole property argument, doesn't expect to stay together and are setting things up for ease of leaving the relationship.

And what is your rationale behind this suggestion? Please
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[paarsurrey]

Not a marriage advocate, but, if two people feel the need to bring the government into their love union lol then both should be jointly sharing property, etc.

An what is behind the word "if"? Please elaborate.
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[Deidre]

An what is behind the word "if"? Please elaborate.
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IF...meaning, IF you choose to legally marry someone, then joint property is most likely 'assumed.' Don't get married if you don't wanna share

 

[paarsurrey]

Joint ownership is useful for real estate....
- Both have authority do do things, eg, turn on/off utilities
- Simple & tax free rights of survivorship

Immovable property; what is one's rationale of joint ownership? Kindly express it. Please
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[Revoltingest]

Immovable property; what is one's rationale of joint ownership? Kindly express it. Please
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I just gave 2 reasons.
If they don't suffice, then I don't understand your question.

 

[paarsurrey]

IF...meaning, IF you choose to legally marry someone, then joint property is most likely 'assumed.' Don't get married if you don't wanna share

Please quote from OT and or NT for the Christian rationale behind it, as one is Christian. Right?
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[Draka]

And what is your rationale behind this suggestion? Please
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A marriage is a partnership. Why wouldn't partners have joint ownership of major assets? The house a couple lives in is just as much one spouse's as the other's. Isn't it? And if not, why not? By saying that one spouse owns all or even more of the jointly used property is to lessen the other ones worth. It makes one spouse dependent upon another. Reliant. In many cases this is to a detriment. Death, adultery, mental incapacity, numerous things can arise that leave the non-property holding spouse without.

 

[paarsurrey]

It's useful for efficient resource allocation.
It encourages productivity.

Why should there be hindrance if wife has separate property from her husband? Isn't she smart enough or intelligent enough in resource allocation. She could have a good advice always from her loving husband, if she is not? Please
If she is smart and intelligent, she could prove her worth to her loving husband, so that he also joins in her success by investing in her business on some agreed just share. This would be a healthy competition and would encourage productivity even more.
Why should one be like a communist and avoid competition?
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[paarsurrey]

So, what do you see as the cons to joint ownership? Do you see any pros?

Please see post #55 on page-3.
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[paarsurrey]

I'm not following that. Are you meaning they each own an equal portion of the property? Like, if there are 3 total spouses they each own one third of the property?

An intelligent question.
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[paarsurrey]

Marriage being a co-partnership is a concept tied to monogamous culture.

Sure, but it is in vogue in many parts of the world and if we include those who believe Torah/OT (the Jews and Christians) then most of the world.
And those who don't believe in any religion, and are free to have a sort of marriage with many of the opposite sex, they are not just to their partners as they don't share any immovable property with their partners. In this sense the whole world is of polygamous culture rather than to belong to monogamous culture . Please correct me if I am wrong?
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[Revoltingest]

Why should there be hindrance if wife has separate property from her husband? Isn't she smart enough or intelligent enough in resource allocation. She could have a good advice always from her loving husband, if she is not? Please
If she is smart and intelligent, she could prove her worth to her loving husband, so that he also joins in her success by investing in her business on some agreed just share. This would be a healthy competition and would encourage productivity even more.
Why should one be like a communist and avoid competition?
Regards

My post (which you quoted) was an answer to why anyone should own property.
It wasn't about the husband & wife ("H&W" in real estate parlance) joint ownership.

 

[paarsurrey]

While I have no inherent problem with polyamory I do think that if one is to be in a relationship where they want more than one partner that the partner/s they already have should be equally as interested in such a relationship. Also, everything should be split equally between all of them in that case.

And what would be the ratio of sharing between husband and wife/wives? Please
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[Saint Frankenstein]

And what would be the ration of sharing between husband and wife/wives? Please
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What if a wife has multiple husbands?

 

[Draka]

And what would be the ration of sharing between husband and wife/wives? Please
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I just said. Equally. Let's say a couple decides, together, that they would like one more person to enter into their relationship as another partner. This now makes 3 in the relationship and all three have an equal (that is ¹/3) share of the property.

 

[Draka]

What if a wife has multiple husbands?

Same thing to me. Multiple spouses. You could have a relationship where the wife invites another man in and the husband invites another woman in and have 4 adults under one roof in mixed relationships.

 

[Deidre]

Please quote from OT and or NT for the Christian rationale behind it, as one is Christian. Right?
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Once you're married legally, those laws go into effect in the US over and above anyone's religious ones. So if in Sharia Law, it states 'x'...in the US it states 'y,' and 'y' holds. Because the US is governed by secular law, not religion. As it should be. I'm Christian, but the Bible doesn't govern how marital affairs are handled if two people are legally married and/or getting a divorce.