Fish-Hunter
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Interesting... are you a Unitarian Christian? Do you believe Jesus was God in the flesh?
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Why should I believe in your religion and faith?
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Interesting... are you a Unitarian Christian? Do you believe Jesus was God in the flesh?
uss_bigd
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I am not a unitarian Christian, I am a Chrsitian biblically speaking. Jesus is God distinct and seperate from the Father, the Word that "became" flesh. I believe that because it is written and because i understand the rationale of it.
Fish-Hunter
Rejoice in the Lord!
So you see Jesus as a separate and distinct from the Father? Do you worship two different Gods?
uss_bigd
Well-Known Member
What do you mean by "different"?
The bible describes Jesus as seperate and distinct from the father, its not a personal conclusion.
I worship the Father through Christ as it is written.
kai
ragamuffin
imagine doing that ten thousand years ago, looking up in wonder, and coming to the conclusion that it muast be the realm of the gods, but you are different for example you know that the stars are stars you understand the basic principle of us living on a planet in the solar system. now how big it is or did it have a begining are questions that cannot be answered at the moment so asigning a God to fill in the question box is not really my thing and i must admit however fascinating it is i dont feel the need to have an answer.
the same with death wether we go to heaven hell or valhalla is not known because except for some unproven stories generally no one comes back to tell us, and again i dont feel the need for an answer it will come in the end when i die, so realy its not the questions its the need to answer them that people have.
I tend to concentrate on the here and now, you know the mundane , work my home the kids etc etc. i wouldnt say i am an atheist, Iam a just dont knower.
uss_bigd
Well-Known Member
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, if we all knew the answers then the essence of faith will be put to naught.
Athiest have faith too. some hope that there is no eternal punishment so they can do whatever they want. some hope that science will bring forth all the answers.
" You can choose ":yes:
Athiest have faith too. some hope that there is no eternal punishment so they can do whatever they want. some hope that science will bring forth all the answers.
" You can choose ":yes:
22:5 O mankind! if ye have a doubt about the Resurrection, (consider) that We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then out of a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed, in order that We may manifest (our power) to you; and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term, then do We bring you out as babes, then (foster you) that ye may reach your age of full strength; and some of you are called to die, and some are sent back to the feeblest old age, so that they know nothing after having known (much), and (further), thou seest the earth barren and lifeless, but when We pour down rain on it, it is stirred (to life), it swells, and it puts forth every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs).
Who told Mohammad the illiterate about those stages in the womb?? Science only discovered those stages in our modern time
McBell
Unbound
Just as I thought.
You rely upon the Forer Effect to promote your beliefs.
Been there, done that.
You bring nothing new to the table.
This is old hat that has been thoroughly refuted in several other threads.
I do have to wonder why you go out of your way to present Mohammad as being stupid/retarded/dimwitted/etc.
He was illiterate, meaning he could not read, not stupid/retarded/dim witted/etc.
Perhaps it is merely to help you sell your belief system?
Oh Yeah,
You didn't answer the question:
Just how was this "proven" and by whom?
And if you think that your Forer Effect response was an answer...
I wanted to know WHO proved it and HOW they proved it.
Popeyesays
Well-Known Member
"Who told Mohammad the illiterate about those stages in the womb?? Science only discovered those stages in our modern time"
He was a merchant trader and caravan manager, He had seen untold examples of livestock breeding--births and still births. The cycle of gestation and birth were no mystery to Him.
Regards,
Scott
He was a merchant trader and caravan manager, He had seen untold examples of livestock breeding--births and still births. The cycle of gestation and birth were no mystery to Him.
Regards,
Scott
Muffled
Jesus in me
Not exactly. The verse in context is talking about Jewish responsibiity for the death of Jesus. He states that the Jews did not kill or crucify Him. However a close inspection of the crucifixion in the Bible shows that Jesus did not die but left the body and then the body died.
This is a false conclusion. It was only necessary for the body to die for a resurrection to take place. And Jesus didn't even have to hang around because He had three days to do things like visit the spirits in the grave and give them the good news.
Because things can be seen from God's point of view instead of man's point of view. The myth that Muslims sometimes proliferate is that another person was substituted for Jesus on the cross. I think the source of this is a heretical gnostic book.
To save another post, I will answer tour question about the Qu'ran. The Qu'ran was given to Arabs as a clear path (That they wouldn't have to adhere to a Jewish book to get to). God does speak about Biblical characters inthe Qu'ran but in a way that Arabs can accept as their own information. The references to Jesus do appear to have the characteristics of God addressing problems in the early Christian church ie The Doctrine of the Trinity (which is non-Biblical), a tendency towards Jew bashing over the crucifixion, doubts about the miracle virgin birth of Jesus to mention a few.
Fish-Hunter
Rejoice in the Lord!
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are seperate and distinct, yet one in essence. There is one God revealed in three distinct persons making up the One God. Do you only worship the Father, and not the Son or Holy Spirit? Here is a reference to the Trinity from historical Christianity from the most accepted Protestant Confession of Faith. The Roman Catholic and Orthodox view would be the same in regards to the Trinity. If you click on the blue numbers, the scripture references will pop up. The rejection of the Trinity has always been declared heretical through the history of the church.
Chapter II
Of God, and of the Holy Trinity
I. There is but one only,[1] living, and true God,[2] who is infinite in being and perfection,[3] a most pure spirit,[4] invisible,[5] without body, parts,[6] or passions;[7] immutable,[8] immense,[9] eternal,[10] incomprehensible,[11] almighty,[12] most wise,[13] most holy,[14] most free,[15] most absolute;[16] working all things according to the counsel of His own immutable and most righteous will,[17] for His own glory;[18] most loving,[19] gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin;[20] the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him;[21] and withal, most just, and terrible in His judgments,[22] hating all sin,[23] and who will by no means clear the guilty.[24]
II. God has all life,[25] glory,[26] goodness,[27] blessedness,[28] in and of Himself; and is alone in and unto Himself all-sufficient, not standing in need of any creatures which He has made,[29] nor deriving any glory from them,[30] but only manifesting His own glory in, by, unto, and upon them. He is the alone fountain of all being, of whom, through whom, and to whom are all things;[31] and has most sovereign dominion over them, to do by them, for them, or upon them whatsoever Himself pleases.[32] In His sight all things are open and manifest,[33] His knowledge is infinite, infallible, and independent upon the creature,[34] so as nothing is to Him contingent, or uncertain.[35] He is most holy in all His counsels, in all His works, and in all His commands.[36] To Him is due from angels and men, and every other creature, whatsoever worship, service, or obedience He is pleased to require of them.[37]
III. In the unity of the Godhead there be three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.[38] The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; [39] the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son. [40]
Westminster Confession of Faith
John 14:9:
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
John 10:38:
But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
Here is the link to the Catholic view of the Trinity: CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH - TABLE OF CONTENTS
Fish-Hunter
Rejoice in the Lord!
Fish-Hunter
Rejoice in the Lord!
According to Scripture, who do you think killed Jesus? The answer is found in the Old Testament?
Kcnorwood
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Don't feel bad Fish Hunter is ingoring me he thinks that I hate his God because I proved that Buddha taught the same thing that Jesus did. Guess it didn't like that....:faint:
Fish-Hunter
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Kcnorwood
Well-Known Member
I'm not ignoring you. I guess there's not much to discuss with you.
Your right truth is a terrible thing.....:sorry1:
Fish-Hunter
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Do you believe in absolute truth, and are you the infallible source of absolute truth? That woud make you God with an affirmative answer.
Kcnorwood
Well-Known Member
What I told you about the teachings of Buddda are true you don't have to be a God to know this just do some research.
Fish-Hunter
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I heard Buddah was an agnostic. Do you know if that's true?
Kcnorwood
Well-Known Member
That I do not know but Buddism is considred a Pagan belief I don't know think Buddha himself had a religion persay just a diffferent way of looking at things is all.