Why should I believe in your religion and faith?

[Fish-Hunter]

From where I sit it looks like the only wolf in sheep's clothing in this thread is a bear. You start out saying you are honestly searching for information, but your antagonism against Mormonism shows otherwise.

lunamoth
Religion: Episcopalian
Title:In the Spirit


You are Episcopalian which is a Bible believing Christian. According to the Mormon Religion you are apostate. :sorry1: Do you have any idea what Mormonism claims in regards to your Christian faith? You are either for the Mormon Faith or against them if you claim to be a Christian. Do you believe that the Christian Bible is God-breathed and the Word of God? Do you believe the Holy Bible is authoritative above all other religious books? This is your choice since you claim to be a Christian in the spirit. Joseph Smith is either a prophet from God sent to restore the apostate church that you belong to. Or, Joseph Smith is a false prophet and is not from the Christian God. If you believe Joseph Smith is a prophet from God, you need to convert to Mormonism. If you believe Joseph Smith is a false prophet, you need to defend your Christian Faith. What other choice do you have as a Christian? Please share if there is another alternative for Bible believing Christians. Here are some Bible verses that may apply to you.

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. Jude 1:3

So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. - Rev 3:16

Paul and the False Apostles

I hope you will put up with a little of my foolishness; but you are already doing that. I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. But I do not think I am in the least inferior to those "super-apostles." I may not be a trained speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way. 2 Cor 11

 

[lilithu]

Why does the so-called seeker come off sounding more like an ideologue? If you don't want to be Mormon, then don't be. I'm sure they'll get over "the loss."

 

[Fish-Hunter]

Why does the so-called seeker come off sounding more like an ideologue? If you don't want to be Mormon, then don't be. I'm sure they'll get over "the loss."

I guess that's an appropriate response for a Universalist. Do you mind sharing what you believe in a short summary posting?

 

[Fish-Hunter]

Uh, I honestly don't know how you can say that unless you are joking. Hinduism is far older than the Abrahamic religions. There are many religions older than them. Where do you get your history from? I know this was directed at Katzpur, but I couldn't just let that absurd statement go.

I am saying Judeo-Christianity teaches about the One True God who is the Alpha or Omega who has no beginning or end. If the Judeo-Christian God has no beginning, then it is the oldest of all because the Judeo-Christian God is eternal. I don't think Hinduism makes that type of claim.

History of Hinduism

Sacred Mount Kailash in Tibet is regarded as the spiritual abode of Shiva.


The earliest evidence for elements of Hinduism date back to the late Neolithic to the early Harappan period (5500–2600BCE).

 

[lilithu]

I am saying Judeo-Christianity teaches about the One True God who is the Alpha or Omega who has no beginning or end. If the Judeo-Christian God has no beginning, then it is the oldest of all because the Judeo-Christian God is eternal. I don't think Hinduism makes that type of claim.

It certainly makes the claim of an eternal God without beginning or end - Brahman. Perhaps you should learn more about Hinduism before you proffer judgment.

I guess that's an appropriate response for a Universalist. Do you mind sharing what you believe in a short summary posting?

I'm curious. Why do you think that your particular soul is so precious that everyone else should be spending their time trying to "convince" you to join their religion? Given that I am a universalist, I feel no need to "save" you, so No Thanks.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

It certainly makes the claim of an eternal God without beginning or end - Brahman. Perhaps you should learn more about Hinduism before you proffer judgment.

I'm curious. Why do you think that your particular soul is so precious that everyone else should be spending their time trying to "convince" you to join their religion? Given that I am a universalist, I feel no need to "save" you, so No Thanks.

I never said that my particular soul is so precious that everyone should be compelled to save it. This is a religious forum site allowing people to discuss and debate their particular religion or faith. It's funny how people get so upset if people have a different opinion than their own. If you are a universalist, I guess it makes no difference in what anybody believes, correct? I started this post to discuss absolute truth. Because a religion is considered the world's oldest religion, it does not necessary mean it is the oldest faith. The oldest faith is one that worships the one true God who is eternal. Do you understand the difference? Religion can be man's attempt to worship a deity that is just an idol, but has nothing to do with absolute truth. Maybe Hinduism is the root of Universalism?

HINDUISM: The world's third largest religion
Hinduism differs from Christianity and other Western religions in that it does not have a single founder, a specific theological system, a single system of morality, or a central religious organization. It consists of "thousands of different religious groups that have evolved in India since 1500 BCE." 1

Hinduism is generally regarded as the world's oldest organized religion. Most forms of Hinduism are henotheistic religions. They recognize a single deity, and view other Gods and Goddesses as manifestations or aspects of that supreme God. Henotheistic and polytheistic religions have traditionally been among the world's most religiously tolerant faiths.

 

[lilithu]

I never said that my particular soul is so precious that everyone should be compelled to save it. This is a religious forum site allowing people to discuss and debate their particular religion or faith. It's funny how people get so upset if people have a different opinion than their own.

I'm not upset. I just have no interest in playing your game (see below).

I started this post to discuss absolute truth. Because a religion is considered the world's oldest religion, it does not necessary mean it is the oldest faith. The oldest faith is one that worships the one true God who is eternal. Do you understand the difference? Religion can be man's attempt to worship a deity that is just an idol, but has nothing to do with absolute truth.

What I understand is that in order to accept this distinction, one would have to already believe that Judeo-Christianity worships the one true God while Hinduism worships an idol. Which would mean that you are not a seeker, just pretending to be one.

 

[hoodedhess]

Pray for spiritual insight and see who answers and then go from there. I personally know that my beliefs are not for everyone nor are they better or more right than anyone else's. I am a believer in God but that belief is based on my own personal experiences and relationship with HIM, not by another person's opinion. Seek the truth and you will find it. The important thing is that you find it on your OWN. Don't base it on anybody's claim that "their" religion is the right one.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

What I understand is that in order to accept this distinction, one would have to already believe that Judeo-Christianity worships the one true God while Hinduism worships an idol. Which would mean that you are not a seeker, just pretending to be one.

Please re-read my opening post. I never said I was a seeker. My opening post is a matter of interpertation.

Why should I believe in your religion and faith?
I want to explore spiritual things that cannot be seen. The universe is too big to believe that spiritual things do not exist. There are so many religions and I don't know where to start. Why is your particular religion or faith more truthful than another one?

 

[lunamoth]

Is Mickey Mouse back in the House?

 

[Fish-Hunter]

Is Mickey Mouse back in the House?

I'm not sure what Mickey Mouse has to do with my questions. Do you believe Joseph Smith is a prophet sent by your Christian God to restore the apostate Christian Church? Do you mind answering the question?

As a Bible believing Christian, you have two options. Please share which option do you personally base your Christian Faith on, and why? I know you are just sharing your opinion based on your personal experience. Maybe you were born into a traditional Christian home and have been a Bible believing Christian for your entire life. That's quite a different life experience than Katzpur, don't you agree? Which religious book is authoritative for you on a personal level...is it the Book of Mormon or the Christian Bible (Old and New Testaments)?

 

[camanintx]

islam is the only way of life suitable for me and i believe for everybody

Unless you happen to like bacon.

 

[Izdaari]

As C.S. Lewis said, "There is no mystery about my beliefs. They are written in the Book of Common Prayer." And no doubt that's true for me as well, even though I'm not Anglican, their BCP being very broad and inclusive, though well within the historic Christian fold. If I were to customize that Lewis quote for my own use, I'd say my beliefs are written in C.S. Lewis' little book, Mere Christianity. That of course is not everything I believe but it's the core of it, the essentials to which everything else is secondary.

 

[Draka]

I am saying Judeo-Christianity teaches about the One True God who is the Alpha or Omega who has no beginning or end. If the Judeo-Christian God has no beginning, then it is the oldest of all because the Judeo-Christian God is eternal. I don't think Hinduism makes that type of claim.

Oh for crying out loud. Every religion has a creation myth, Christianity is no different. Now, that means there are religions which are older than Christianity that have their own myths about the creation of the world. So, by your logic, then you'd have to find out which one was not only the first one thought up, but that as long as they have a creation story that goes to the beginning of time (they all do) then that is the one which is the "creating" faith.

The deity I believe in is "eternal" and "all-encompassing", does that mean I can claim that my faith is the only "absolute truth" and that yours, and all others, are false religions?

 

[lunamoth]

As C.S. Lewis said, "There is no mystery about my beliefs. They are written in the Book of Common Prayer." And no doubt that's true for me as well, even though I'm not Anglican, their BCP being very broad and inclusive, though well within the historic Christian fold. If I were to customize that Lewis quote for my own use, I'd say my beliefs are written in C.S. Lewis' little book, Mere Christianity. That of course is not everything I believe but it's the core of it, the essentials to which everything else is secondary.

I really enjoy reading CS Lewis. His autobiography Surprised by Joy is also a good read. Good choice, and are you sure you're not an Anglican?

 

[Popeyesays]

The Dancing Bear as a Christian performer?

Proselytizing is not really allowed here.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Popeyesays]

Rish Hunter;

Also from the same article you linked at Religious Tolerance:\Most forms of Hinduism are henotheistic religions. They recognize a single deity, and view other Gods and Goddesses as manifestations or aspects of that supreme God. Henotheistic and polytheistic religions have traditionally been among the world's most religiously tolerant faiths. However, until recently, a Hindu nationalistic political party controlled the government of India. The linkage of religion, the national government, and nationalism led to a degeneration of the separation of church and state in India. This, in turn, has decreased the level of religious tolerance in that country. The escalation of anti-Christian violence was one manifestation of this linkage. With the recent change in government, the level of violence will diminish."

The same article recognizes Hinduism as the world's oldest organized religion.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Izdaari]

I really enjoy reading CS Lewis. His autobiography Surprised by Joy is also a good read. Good choice, and are you sure you're not an Anglican?

I could easily be Anglican, but it'd be charismatic, emergent Anglican. My church membership is Assemblies of God, but I have always been kind of Anglican in doctrine, since it was Lewis more than anybody else who led me to Christ (more accurately, back to Christ, but that's a long story). And I sometimes wander down to St. Mark's Cathedral in Seattle for a "high church" Episcopal liturgical service. Pretty cool stuff, at least as a change of pace.

 

[lilithu]

Please re-read my opening post. I never said I was a seeker. My opening post is a matter of interpertation.

Like I said, I'm not interested in playing your game. Good bye.

 

[lilithu]

Is Mickey Mouse back in the House?

luna, that's kinda mean to Mickey, dontcha think?