Depends on what you mean when you say islam has no clergy.Islam has no clergy.
It has scholars who interpret the Quran and religious lawyers who apply its law when they can get away with it.
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Depends on what you mean when you say islam has no clergy.Islam has no clergy.
There are many witnesses to the crucifixion
So why should I believe Allah?
What did Allah tell you and why are you convinced it was Allah?So why should I believe Allah? What are good arguments for it?
And here I thought they was referring to the thread being moved to a "debates" section....Sorry about that. It's our policy to put mod posts in bright red so no-one has an excuse not to see them.
There are many witnesses to the crucifixion, even the Jews recorded the death of Jesus in their Talmud. The Old Testament also prophecied the crucifixion. Jesus himself said that he would die on the cross as ransom for everyone who believes in it. So much evidence, but 600 years later a god suddenly comes along and says this without showing any evidence:
They certainly did not kill or crucify Jesus. (Quran 4:157)
The Quran also says about Allah:
Allah is the most cunning. (Quran 3:54)
And as we can see in the Bible, the question was not whether Jesus really died, but whether he was really raised from the dead, which many doubted, even the disciples themselves.
So why should I believe Allah? What are good arguments for it?
And here I thought he was referring to the thread being moved to a "debates" section....
That's ok, He can keep the Fruble...
My apologies.
There was a thread on here a long time ago where in the bible a person in 12 generations would be a mighty ruler and that turned out to be Mohammed.There are many witnesses to the crucifixion, even the Jews recorded the death of Jesus in their Talmud. The Old Testament also prophecied the crucifixion. Jesus himself said that he would die on the cross as ransom for everyone who believes in it. So much evidence, but 600 years later a god suddenly comes along and says this without showing any evidence:
They certainly did not kill or crucify Jesus. (Quran 4:157)
The Quran also says about Allah:
Allah is the most cunning. (Quran 3:54)
And as we can see in the Bible, the question was not whether Jesus really died, but whether he was really raised from the dead, which many doubted, even the disciples themselves.
So why should I believe Allah? What are good arguments for it?
My apologies.
I typically use "he" for everyone...
It isn't a being a jerk thing, it is a laziness thing.
He is the shortest of all the pronouns other than it and it causes all manner of issues
I will try to remember you are not a he
I honestly will try to remember, but I am getting to the point where my memory is not the greatest.Oh. I just thought you were missing an s or didn't know. I still don't know who have the people on RF are. No biggy.
Please provide the entire verse.They certainly did not kill or crucify Jesus. (Quran 4:157)
Depends on what you mean when you say islam has no clergy.
It has scholars who interpret the Quran and religious lawyers who apply its law when they can get away with it.
In Biblical Hebrew "Alah" means "curse".Allah just sound like a better ****** name for a God.
Jesus Hebrew name in shortened form is Yeshu and also Jesus was hanged on Passover according to the Bible. And the Jews thought he was a "demonic sorcerer" who performs miracles through the devil. And Jesus was also to be stoned at first, but was in the end hanged on the cross. The descriptions fit Jesus as you can see, but maybe you are right, and this is another Jesus who coincidentally have the same name, but the Talmud is not the only evidence we have, there are also Roman sources that recorded the death of Jesus.This describes a sorcerer named Yeshu who was hanged and had 5 disciples and was some sort of government leader. Your belief that this is the Jesus of your New Testament is...optimistic at best.
Paul saw Jesus on earth. Jesus appeared to him in the desert and also spoke to him. Jesus was literally there and they had a conversation.The Bible contains no demonstrable eyewitness accounts of Jesus. The only "eyewitness" account we have is Paul, who admits he never saw Jesus on Earth and obtained all his information about him from visions.
I don't see any contradictions, the alleged contradictions can be explained.Which is probably the most ridiculous of any of the Gospels to claim such a thing. It was written last, contradicts the others, and purports absurdly implausible events.
Because the Bible has already prophesied Allah and Muhammad. The Bible has already predicted that another god would come who preaches a different gospel, also the Bible has said that this god will build his own house on the place where God's temple stood. And as we can see today, on this place today in Jerusalem stands a mosque.What did Allah tell you and why are you convinced it was Allah?
Cornelius Tacitus (b. ca. 52-54 AD), for example, writes: "Christ had been executed under the leadership of Tiberius by the procurator Pontius Pilate" (Cornelius Tacitus, Annalen, p 740; XV. 44).Which eyewitnesses wrote about it? Where can we find their first-hand accounts?
Sounds like a game of semantics, what they are effectively doing is defining clergy as mediators between God and man.The no clergy argument was made by converts to Islam. Unlike most forms of Christianity, and like Judaism, in Islam you do not require ordained priests to mediate between you and God.
You are confusing historians, satiricists and others with witnesses. They are different categories.Cornelius Tacitus (b. ca. 52-54 AD), for example, writes: "Christ had been executed under the leadership of Tiberius by the procurator Pontius Pilate" (Cornelius Tacitus, Annalen, p 740; XV. 44).
The Jewish general and historian Flavius Josephus (b. 37 A.D.) states that Jesus was condemned to death on the cross by Pilate (Flavius Josephus, vol. 1 515 f; XVIII.3.3).
In the British Museum is the manuscript of a letter written about 73 CE by a Syrian named Mara Bar-Serapion. It mentions the execution of Christ. (F. F. Bruce, The Credibility of the Writings of the New Testament, p. 122).
Lucian, a satirist of the 2nd century AD referred to Jesus as "the man crucified in Palestine" (Lucian, On the End of the Life of Peregrinus, in Lucian vol. 2, p. 9, Greek and Roman Classics, vol. 36).
In the end he was rejected by everyone, even by his own disciples.(Matthew 26:74-75) In the end he died alone, even though he performed so many miracles and healed many, no one wanted to share his suffering with him, they all left him.Regarding Isaiah 53:3, Jesus was not rejected by most men. Jesus was rejected by certain Jews of that time, but Jesus was esteemed by many men.
A rich disciple of Jesus came and took the dead body of Jesus and put it to the newly purchased tomb.(Matthew 27:57-60)Jesus did not make His grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death.
The seed are the Christians who are newborn through Jesus and have Jesus in them. Jesus is the Father of them.(Isaiah 9:6)but He did not see his seed
Jesus' days were prolonged by being raised from the dead. His life will never end again.(Revelation 1:18)and His days were not prolonged
For eyewitness accounts, see Bible.You are confusing historians, satiricists and others with witnesses. They are different categories.
Matthew 26:28Where did Jesus say that we have to believe in the crucifixion or that Jesus died for our sins to attain eternal life?