Why so much wickedness and suffering ?

[ejalfa]

Why, then, is there so much wickedness and suffering? One reason is that mankind in general has rejected God as Ruler, not wanting to submit to his righteous laws and principles. Humans have unwittingly submitted to God’s Adversary, Satan, for “the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19) Knowledge of this fact makes it easier to understand why bad situations exist. Satan is evil, hateful, deceptive, and cruel. So we should expect the world to reflect the personality of its ruler. No wonder there is so much wickedness!

 

[Bunyip]

Why, then, is there so much wickedness and suffering? One reason is that mankind in general has rejected God as Ruler, not wanting to submit to his righteous laws and principles. Humans have unwittingly submitted to God’s Adversary, Satan, for “the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19) Knowledge of this fact makes it easier to understand why bad situations exist. Satan is evil, hateful, deceptive, and cruel. So we should expect the world to reflect the personality of its ruler. No wonder there is so much wickedness!

If that is true, why are the least religious countries the most peaceful? And the most religious countries the most wicked?

 

[Riverwolf]

Why? Because there's Gods who love war, theft, murder, etc. They are no less powerful than the Gods who reject those things.

 

[ejalfa]

I don't have an answer for that.....

I believe the Bible is the word of God and if it says the devil is responsible for all evil and wickedness I believe it.

 

[Bunyip]

I don't have an answer for that.....

I believe the Bible is the word of God and if it says the devil is responsible for all evil and wickedness I believe it.

An honest answer.

Cheers.

 

[ejalfa]

If that is true, why are the least religious countries the most peaceful? And the most religious countries the most wicked?

I don't have an answer for that.....

I believe the Bible is the word of God and if it says the devil is responsible for all evil and wickedness I believe it.

 

[Bunyip]

I don't have an answer for that.....

I believe the Bible is the word of God and if it says the devil is responsible for all evil and wickedness I believe it.

Great.

Well the next obvious question is why? Why do you believe thatthe bible is the word of god?

Surely if it were the word of god it would not contain so many contradictions, factual errors and flat out evilness on the part of god.


So why do you believe it to be the word of god? Because you were raised that way? Because you choose to believe it?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

We live in a world that is influenced by a fallen God, this God didn't create this universe but his essence is the universe. The universe and the world we live in is brutal, harsh and arbitrary because in essence this god is brutal, harsh and arbitrary. It's wasn't because something that humankind did that we have evil, we have evil because evil is something that this god is.

I call this god the Demiurge aka Yahweh.

 

[Thana]

If that is true, why are the least religious countries the most peaceful? And the most religious countries the most wicked?

That is a correlation. And do you know what scientists say about correlations?
Look it up.

 

[Sabour]

Suffering is just a look on the outside,

How often do we see a person suffering in many aspects in life yet they still smile. We see other people having everything they ever wanted in life .... and than they commit suicide, because they didn't find happiness.


Suffering is not the suffering that we label. Suffering is the soul's suffering. Suffering is when all these dark clouds surround the heart from every side. Suffering is when you have everything one would dream of in the world yet you can't find happiness.

All people suffer. Just because we can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If that is true, why are the least religious countries the most peaceful? And the most religious countries the most wicked?

That has more to do with standards of living and wealth than anything else. The rich countries are leeches who only have their wealth because it's stolen from the poor countries through things like sweatshops/slavery and resource theft.

 

[Bunyip]

That has more to do with standards of living and wealth than anything else. The rich countries are leeches who only have their wealth because it's stolen from the poor countries through things like sweatshops/slavery and resource theft.

The richest country is the most religious - the USA, so that doesn't work.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The richest country is the most religious - the USA, so that doesn't work.

I don't see how the most religious countries as a group are wicked. The most wicked country is America, in terms of the damage and suffering we cause all around the world, and America, along with our allies form the real "axis of evil" in the world. The other most religious countries are also the most poor and suffering, and that's primarily because of Western wickedness.

So I have a bit of different view of it, I guess.

 

[Bunyip]

I don't see how the most religious countries as a group are wicked. The most wicked country is America, in terms of the damage and suffering we cause all around the world, and America, along with our allies form the real "axis of evil" in the world. The other most religious countries are also the most poor and suffering, and that's primarily because of Western wickedness.

So I have a bit of different view of it, I guess.

Sure, but connecting irreligiousness with wickedness clearly fails.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Sure, but connecting irreligiousness with wickedness clearly fails.

True. Same with the other way around. I think both are very faulty and inaccurate ways of looking at the problems of the world.

 

[Bunyip]

True. Same with the other way around. I think both are very faulty and inaccurate ways of looking at the problems of the world.

Agreed.

Always nice to chat to you.

 

[Skwim]

Why, then, is there so much wickedness and suffering? One reason is that mankind in general has rejected God as Ruler, not wanting to submit to his righteous laws and principles.

Errr. . . . . . let us not forget Isaiah 45:7

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
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So we're doing just as he expected, Nice guy, N

T and perhaps a good reason for rejecting him.

 

[McBell]

Why, then, is there so much wickedness and suffering?

There has always been wickedness and suffering.
If it is your claim that there is "more" wickedness and suffering, then you will need to show that your claim is true.

One reason is that mankind in general has rejected God as Ruler, not wanting to submit to his righteous laws and principles.

actually, this is not a reason, it is a bold empty claim.
Unless you are going to substantiate the claim..?

Humans have unwittingly submitted to God’s Adversary, Satan, for “the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19) Knowledge of this fact makes it easier to understand why bad situations exist. Satan is evil, hateful, deceptive, and cruel. So we should expect the world to reflect the personality of its ruler. No wonder there is so much wickedness!

Five more bold empty claims...

 

[Thana]

Errr. . . . . . let us not forget Isaiah 45:7

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
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So we're doing just as he expected, Nice guy, N

T and perhaps a good reason for rejecting him.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

No matter how many times you're shown that evil in that passage does not mean evil, Rather it means calamity, disaster etc, You still throw it out there.

Seems like you're not even trying to say anything worth consideration.

 

[McBell]

I don't have an answer for that.....

I believe the Bible is the word of God and if it says the devil is responsible for all evil and wickedness I believe it.

Fair enough.

Why does god allow all the wickedness and evil?