Why so much wickedness and suffering ?

[lewisnotmiller]

The water cycle and the Bible...

Regarding earth’s atmosphere, note what God said, as recorded in the Bible some 2,700 years ago: “The pouring rain descends . . . from the heavens and does not return to that place, unless it actually saturates the earth.” (Isaiah 55:10) How succinctly that describes the hydrologic, or water, cycle! Water vapor in the clouds condenses and precipitates as rain, which “saturates the earth.” Solar heating causes moisture to evaporate and “return to that place,” or the atmosphere, to start the cycle again. Jehovah’s Word revealed amazing details regarding earth’s climate system centuries before non-Biblical writings did. Does that not build your confidence in the Creator and in what he is capable of doing? So when it comes to the outcome of the present climate crisis, would it not be reasonable for us to look to “the Creator of the wind,” the “father for the rain,” the one who knows how this planet functions?—Amos 4:13; Job 38:28.

It would do more to 'build my confidence' if you addressed my whole post, to be honest.

 

[Skwim]

The water cycle and the Bible...

Regarding earth’s atmosphere, note what God said, as recorded in the Bible some 2,700 years ago: “The pouring rain descends . . . from the heavens and does not return to that place, unless it actually saturates the earth.” (Isaiah 55:10) How succinctly that describes the hydrologic, or water, cycle! Water vapor in the clouds condenses and precipitates as rain, which “saturates the earth.”

But there is no necessary saturating of the earth before the cycle begins. Rain runs off and collects in various basins: pools, ponds, lakes, seas, and oceans from which the water evaporates.

Jehovah’s Word revealed amazing details regarding earth’s climate system centuries before non-Biblical writings did. Does that not build your confidence in the Creator and in what he is capable of doing?

Not when it gets this simple fact wrong.

 

[ejalfa]

Human nature.

NO ! Satan the devil !

Which god, and which version of that god?

Jehovah God and there is only one Jehovah, no other versions !

Which laws? The Tanach? The Bible? The Koran? The Bagvadhgita? Sutras? Kitáb-i-Aqdas? Adi Granth? Dianetics?

Bible laws, the laws of God.

 

[ejalfa]

But there is no necessary saturating of the earth before the cycle begins. Rain runs off and collects in various basins: pools, ponds, lakes, seas, and oceans from which the water evaporates.


Not when it gets this simple fact wrong.

What fact ?
The earth is saturated with rain that makes trees, plants, food , grow etc.

 

[Father Heathen]

Bible laws, the laws of God.

Sorry, but I don't trust the ancient, primitive savages who wrote the bible to be accurate and reliable representatives of any god.

 

[ejalfa]

Sorry, but I don't trust the ancient, primitive savages who wrote the bible to be accurate and reliable representatives of any god.

Moses, Abraham, Isaac Jacob, the apostles and Christ.....
Ancient, primitive, savages ? :no:

 

[Skwim]

What fact ?
The earth is saturated with rain that makes trees, plants, food , grow etc.

No the "fact" you stated when you said

"The pouring rain descends . . . from the heavens and does not return to that place, unless it actually saturates the earth.”
(my emphasis)
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Meaning that the hydrological cycle does not begin until the earth is saturated,which is not true at all. The Earth need not be saturated before runoff begins and the collection of water occurs.

 

[ejalfa]

No the "fact" you stated when you said

"The pouring rain descends . . . from the heavens and does not return to that place, unless it actually saturates the earth.”
(my emphasis)
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Meaning that the hydrological cycle does not begin until the earth is saturated,which is not true at all. The Earth need not be saturated before runoff begins and the collection of water occurs.

I am merely saying that the rain saturates the earth and fills the streams and rivers and runs into the oceans and the sum pulls water into the atmosphere and than it rains and the cycle begins again.

 

[Riverwolf]

I am merely saying that the rain saturates the earth and fills the streams and rivers and runs into the oceans and the sum pulls water into the atmosphere and than it rains and the cycle begins again.

There is no "beginning" to that cycle, and there's no indication that that verse in the Bible is talking about that cycle specifically.

 

[Skwim]

I am merely saying that the rain saturates the earth and fills the streams and rivers and runs into the oceans and the sum pulls water into the atmosphere and than it rains and the cycle begins again.

But that's not what you said. Unfortunately then, you misspoke.

 

[Riverwolf]

Moses, Abraham, Isaac Jacob, the apostles and Christ.....
Ancient, primitive, savages ? :no:

The historicity of all those people is questionable. (Though I do agree that they're not primitive savages, at least moreso than people generally are today.)

 

[Sunstone]

The water cycle and the Bible...

Regarding earth’s atmosphere, note what God said, as recorded in the Bible some 2,700 years ago: “The pouring rain descends . . . from the heavens and does not return to that place, unless it actually saturates the earth.” (Isaiah 55:10) How succinctly that describes the hydrologic, or water, cycle! Water vapor in the clouds condenses and precipitates as rain, which “saturates the earth.” Solar heating causes moisture to evaporate and “return to that place,” or the atmosphere, to start the cycle again. Jehovah’s Word revealed amazing details regarding earth’s climate system centuries before non-Biblical writings did. Does that not build your confidence in the Creator and in what he is capable of doing? So when it comes to the outcome of the present climate crisis, would it not be reasonable for us to look to “the Creator of the wind,” the “father for the rain,” the one who knows how this planet functions?—Amos 4:13; Job 38:28.

If someone gave a biblical account of the water cycle on a modern biology test, they'd be lucky to get a C.

 

[Riverwolf]

If someone gave a biblical account of the water cycle on a modern biology test, they'd be lucky to get a C.

I'd fail them, because the water cycle involves a different branch of science than biology.

 

[MD]

I've decided to adopt my religion's outlook on suffering and evil, that it is separate from God. If we do good we strengthen God, if we let evil to run loose then it will continue to spread. Metaphorically speaking, evil can be seen as chaos and good can be seen as order.

It has always existed and it always will. All we can do is try to minimize it.

 

[ejalfa]

But that's not what you said. Unfortunately then, you misspoke.

SORRY.....:sorry1:

 

[Sunstone]

I'd fail them, because the water cycle involves a different branch of science than biology.

Ooops! I meant earth science. My, you're nitpicking today!

 

[samosasauce]

I originally misread the title as saying "Wilderness and Suffering" instead of "Wickedness and Suffering". Oops

 

[Draupadi]

Why are my posts missing?

 

[Nada]

Satan the devil rebelled against the Almighty God,Yehowah, or Jehovah in english.Satan means adversary.Devil means liar and slanderer.When God created man,satan the devil went down to earth and tricked Eve into thinking she would be like God if she ate from the forbidden fruit.Adam ate from the fruit too because he loved Eve.So,they both made a conscious decision to disobey God.
They were told in that day they eat surely they would die.So,when satan the devil did this,he challenged Jehovah Gods universal sovereignty to rule.Satan tricked man into thinking that they could rule on their own without God.God could have easily destroyed them all and started over but there was an audience watching.

The angels were watching.God is wise, and knew that destroying them out of anger was not the answer, so he let it run its course.He let man do things on his own and cast them out of the Garden of Eden.This way all would know that man cannot live without Gods rule.This has become evident by looking at the world and what has become of it since.We have starvation,pollution,wars.disease etc..

Satan tricked man into committing this great sin against God.Thats why Satan the devil is called the original murderer.When he deceived man, he not only made it to where Adam and Eve would lose their own lives, but that too of their offspring.Their children, and all of mankind, would inherit imperfection and cause them to die.

John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

 

[McBell]

Satan the devil rebelled against the Almighty God,Yehowah, or Jehovah in english.Satan means adversary.Devil means liar and slanderer.When God created man,satan the devil went down to earth and tricked Eve into thinking she would be like God if she ate from the forbidden fruit.Adam ate from the fruit too because he loved Eve.So,they both made a conscious decision to disobey God.
They were told in that day they eat surely they would die.So,when satan the devil did this,he challenged Jehovah Gods universal sovereignty to rule.Satan tricked man into thinking that they could rule on their own without God.God could have easily destroyed them all and started over but there was an audience watching.

The angels were watching.God is wise, and knew that destroying them out of anger was not the answer, so he let it run its course.He let man do things on his own and cast them out of the Garden of Eden.This way all would know that man cannot live without Gods rule.This has become evident by looking at the world and what has become of it since.We have starvation,pollution,wars.disease etc..

Satan tricked man into committing this great sin against God.Thats why Satan the devil is called the original murderer.When he deceived man, he not only made it to where Adam and Eve would lose their own lives, but that too of their offspring.Their children, and all of mankind, would inherit imperfection and cause them to die.

John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Ah, so it is all Gods fault.

Thanks for clearing that up.