Why Sunday as Sabbath?

[wmam]

Just to be clear... I don't doubt that this is true, but FYI, early Christians used Sunday as the Sabbath as early as the year 155.... probably was so since the first generation after the death of Christ.

This date you have produced may also be true to those that practice christianity but I haven't came across any thing as yet that shows proof of this and no where does it state in scripture that the Messiah, nor any of His talmidim, ever observed a suns-day (Yom Reshone in Hebrew) as the Shabbat. I have to go with the old tried and true as to what the originators did and taught, as well as commanded as pertains to the first originator Himself, to obtain my guidance into such questions.

 

[Scott1]

This date you have produced may also be true to those that practice christianity but I haven't came across any thing as yet that shows proof of this and no where does it state in scripture that the Messiah, nor any of His talmidim, ever observed a suns-day (Yom Reshone in Hebrew) as the Shabbat. I have to go with the old tried and true as to what the originators did and taught, as well as commanded as pertains to the first originator Himself, to obtain my guidance into such questions.

Cool.... do your own thing boss.

For the record:
As early as the second century we have the witness of St. Justin Martyr for the basic lines of the order of the Eucharistic celebration. They have stayed the same until our own day for all the great liturgical families. St. Justin wrote to the pagan emperor Antoninus Pius (138-161) around the year 155, explaining what Christians did:

"On the day we call the day of the sun, all who dwell in the city or country gather in the same place.
The memoirs of the apostles and the writings of the prophets are read, as much as time permits.
When the reader has finished, he who presides over those gathered admonishes and challenges them to imitate these beautiful things.
Then we all rise together and offer prayers* for ourselves . . .and for all others, wherever they may be, so that we may be found righteous by our life and actions, and faithful to the commandments, so as to obtain eternal salvation.
When the prayers are concluded we exchange the kiss.
Then someone brings bread and a cup of water and wine mixed together to him who presides over the brethren.
He takes them and offers praise and glory to the Father of the universe, through the name of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and for a considerable time he gives thanks (in Greek: eucharistian) that we have been judged worthy of these gifts.
When he has concluded the prayers and thanksgivings, all present give voice to an acclamation by saying: 'Amen.' When he who presides has given thanks and the people have responded, those whom we call deacons give to those present the "eucharisted" bread, wine and water and take them to those who are absent"
St. Justin, Apol. 1, 65-67G 6,428-42

 

[wmam]

Cool.... do your own thing boss.

Please do not think ill of me, and I do not mean any offence, and for the record, No, I'll do that thing of the Most High. Its called commandments and to do otherwise is called sin so I have to obey my Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. He rested on the seventh day Shabbat and made a command as a sign between Him and His people to show others who they worship and call their Elohim. I need no man who lived nearly a hundred years or more after the Messiah to tell me what my Father wants for His people. The Messiah did so as to the commands and will of our Father and that is plenty good enough for me. My Father also commands me not to learn the ways of the nations and that it is an abomination for me to look to him with the same rituals and understandings as did they that worshipped idols and deity's as a sun god on a sun-day. Yea as if it were smoke to His nose. But as the Hebrews did in the wilderness so do the people today.......

Act 7:41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.

Act 7:42 Then Elohim turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

Act 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

I have to abstain from such man made abominations. A first day of the week Shabbat is just that, An abomination unto the Most High. It is doing other than His will and His command.

Again I wish you feel no ill of me and I do not intend any disrespect to you or anyone but I only intend to please my Father.

 

[Scott1]

Again I wish you feel no ill of me and I do not intend any disrespect to you or anyone but I only intend to please my Father.

Why would I "feel ill" about you?

The Shabbat is on Saturday... but I'm not a religious Jew... I'm a Christian, and the Christian sabbath is on Sunday. You and other religious Jews are just fine doing what you're doing.... no need for any more prayers or preaching.

 

[adilrockstar]

This link is a very good link and should silence this thread, it is a really silly reason for everyone to get soo upset.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday

God Bless

Adil

 

[~Ty~]

I haven't read every post in this thread, so these questions may have already been answered.

Can anyone show me where the Bible says Keep Suday Holy ?

No, because It doesn't say that anywhere. People can only translate texts according to their own imagination in attempt to justify their own actions.

Or tell me where Sunday worship came from?

It came from the tower of Babel and was brought into certain professing Christian churches within the Roman empire (in the early centuries) to make the message of Christ into a religion more attractive to the heathen. It obviously worked. But it has done irrepairable damage to the message, and has grossly misrepresented the person and work of Christ.

 

[wmam]

You and other religious Jews are just fine doing what you're doing.... no need for any more prayers or preaching.

Not that theres anything wrong with it, I am neither christian nor jew. You have yet to offend me so no worries but there is no need to place titles me. The "OP" ask a question as to "Why sunday as sabbath?" It was long held a sabbath to many with respects of their sun deity as well as other pagan gods. I understand that and see where sunday is a sabbath for that purpose. I don't see and don't understand any where in scripture that makes more than one sabbath (Shabbat in Hebrew). That would be adding to the word of the Most High. Now if one just wants to believe that sunday is a second sabbath, then so be it, but I find no where in my sword that defends such. On the other hand, there are many places that speaks on assembling on the Shabbat. That seems to not have changed until some hundred years after the Messiah as well as after the death of His disciples. So I don't see where there has been any bonifide factual proof given through scripture that the command of the Most High had either been changed or added to with regards to the Shabbat.