Why the divide between Science and Religion...

[The Mad Hatter 2002]

I think conflict is created between Science and Religion due to the balance of two principals. These two being Reasoning (questioning) and Faith (accepting) in Truth.

Actually Ulver, If you combine the two, you will find the true existence of God.

 

[Blindinglight]

Scientists know a lot about electricity, too, but they don't know what it is.

A bunch of electrons and photons with either a positive or negative charge.

Okay, I've gone back to this list, because this seems to be what I'm arguing with. Perhaps you could give me an example of a drug that produces a spiritual experience?

Salvia Divinorum is a good one, and a very powerful one. It is also legal, in all but 5 states.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Scientists know a lot about electricity, too, but they don't know what it is.

Insofar as scientists can know what anything is, they know what electricity is.

 

[Dante]

I personally believe the divide is the fault was firstly that of religion.

Religion is a finite view, while science in theory should continue to evolve. Religion misaccesses the nature of science and argues it on the terms that it presents truths.

I really do have trouble to understanding the necessity for science to be real other than a response to the threats of religion.

 

[MBones]

Quick Reply please. I am a lost soul who is looking for a religion to save myself. Which one should I choose and why?

 

[MBones]

If these extremists would spend half the time understanding the 'other' side' instead of trying to tear them down, there would be a lot less conflict. The problem is that for the reasons you mentioned, neither will be able to completely silence the other, so the battles rage on. Frubals to you for being able to see both sides!

You call them extremists, from your view you are unnaccepting, from your response you are tearing them down, the same hurts,, doesn't it.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Quick Reply please. I am a lost soul who is looking for a religion to save myself. Which one should I choose and why?

Choose religion. If you were of the other type you would not have described yourself as a lost soul, and you want to be saved. There are only two saviours in the world, Jesus or Mohammad.

 

[MBones]

The religion of Jesus or Mohammed poses a very different realm of religion. So from your answer take the high road or the low road. I am no better off in my quest for the right religion. I want to know how to be saved. When the end of times comes, or the rapture, I want to know how to be saved.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I want to know how to be saved.

And how is this relevant to this thread?

 

[MBones]

You are more right here than you expected. Because you thought about both sides you are on the level and thinking in terms that can be presented. We need more of that.

 

[UnTheist]

Science is materialistic. Religion is unfalsifiable.

 

[rojse]

Religion tries to make scientific claims. Science constantly tests all claims, whether religious or not, and sometimes finds them lacking.

Many religions start off with the assumption of the presence of a supernatural agent who affects the world, science does not.

 

[Calabrese]

Well, I think if you read my previous post that I tried to define the extremists as those who will only accept concepts that stem from their beliefs; the 'extreme' scientist would therefore be one who refuses to accept anything in life without proof. Just as the extremist theologiam would be the one who insists on taking every passage in the Bible as absolute, and not to be interpreted.

No offense, but that is the very nature of science. If they were supposed to accept gravity because they believed in it and did not have proof, then it would be faith not science. That statement labels all scientists as extremists. That is their very job, to find proof. I for one am quite comfortable with them wanting to prove a fact. I would be quite disturbed if science decided that they did not need proof.

 

[Calabrese]

There is no real divide caused by science. Science has reported on its findings and therories.
Some religions have chosen to not believe them.
The truth science reveals is not at issue. It is the lack of ability of some faith systems to adjust to new realities where the problem lays.

Terry

One relies on a book with no proof to back it up and the other relies on facts we can prove with the world around us. Rarely have I engaged in debate with someone of a religious faith who doesn't reply with, well my sacred book tells me so, or My God tells me so. If you are going to debate an issue, relying on a book or answering that you believe it so it must be true does not work. Bring facts to the table and I will gladly debate.

 

[DeepShadow]

No offense, but that is the very nature of science. If they were supposed to accept gravity because they believed in it and did not have proof, then it would be faith not science. That statement labels all scientists as extremists. That is their very job, to find proof. I for one am quite comfortable with them wanting to prove a fact. I would be quite disturbed if science decided that they did not need proof.

I think the operative word was "everything." Do you know any married scientists who demanded proof that their fiancee loved them before getting married? After all, all the overt signs of affection could just be a ruse. The only objective proof that I know of would involve an MRI.

Do you know any scientists who demand proof that a piece of music is enjoyable before enjoying it? Do they demand to see their doctor's credentials, demand to read the case studies on drugs before taking them? These things are taken on trust, on faith, even. And we all do that.

 

[rojse]

There is a great difference between an emotion such as love, or the enjoyment of music, drugs from a doctor and gravity. The first two are extremely subjective. It changes from person to person. The woman that you love others will not, the music you like may will seem like rubbish to others.

Certainly, those scientists in love and listening to music do not tell everyone that everyone else must love their wife and listen to their music.

On the other hand, choosing a doctor is based on facts, not subjective emotions. A doctor is accredited when he can satisfy strict criterion in regards to his criminal history and his medical knowledge. I chose my doctor on the basis of advice from previous patients who were friends of mine, whom I trust from previous experience. Certainly, I know of people that have done research of medicines before taking them, including myself. That's not trust and faith, that is conviction in knowledge and experience.

As for gravity, it explains why the satellites stay where they are and why I don't just float away from earth should I jump up. It explains why my ball comes back to me when I throw it. That's pretty good coverage for just one scientific theory. I test it whenever I play ball sports, so I am pretty satisfied with the current gravity theory.

 

[MBones]

Are we claiming that love is a supernatural feeling? Or a God made feeling? We are human beings, today in this world, we are up against a war that is fighting terror in this world. We are having conflicts among our own species that dates back to the civil war. How do we decide who is right in this world??? I agree the terroists we are battling everyday do not get it, put them down now, but that is the problem, the head of that terroist organization does not fall, Mr. Osama Bin Laden, put that ******* out of this world, why don't we do that now????? Put all of the US armed forces in after him and anailate him for good? Well no we have an oil war to deal with which is much more lucrative for us, Put the forces in Iraq, cause that make much more sense in going in after the people who made 9/11 happen. Iraq was not part of it. If they were Mr. ben ladin would have ben history by now.

 

[Yerda]

Bones, old girl, how did you get from here:

Are we claiming that love is a supernatural feeling? Or a God made feeling?...

To here:

...Well no we have an oil war to deal with which is much more lucrative for us, Put the forces in Iraq, cause that make much more sense in going in after the people who made 9/11 happen. Iraq was not part of it. If they were Mr. ben ladin would have ben history by now.

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[Aupmanyav]

I do not see a divide between religion and science. What is truth in religion must be truth in scince also and vice-versa. What fails the test is not truth.

 

[Willamena]

Science is materialistic. Religion is unfalsifiable.

There is no actual conflict between them, in my opinion, except for those people who structure the world such that they impose a literal interpretation on non-literal symbolism.