Why The Electoral College Is Fair

[Revoltingest]

Yes. Some are flat earthers. Some are reprobates that feel pineapple should go on pizza. I think the point attempting to be made and I'll be making now is that minorities don't automatically deserve to be free from marginlization. Only specific minority groups are allowed the right to be free from it. Things like race, sexual orientation ect are innate qualities define minority roles that are given rights despite being the minority. People living in the midwest shouldn't get artifically inflated votes simply because of their demographic positions.

My minority group (Libertarian) is shut out of state representation by Michiganistan's use
of district type voting rather than at large voting. It's rigged so that only Dems & Pubs win.
Diversity is more than black v white, gay v straight, & male v female.
I know that marginalization exists. But I see room for improvement.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

My minority group (Libertarian) is shut out of state representation by Michiganistan's use
of district type voting rather than at large voting. It's rigged so that only Dems & Pubs win.
Diversity is more than black v white, gay v straight, & male v female.
I know that marginalization exists. But I see room for improvement.

Indeed. There are several viable ways to improve the chances of 3rd party political presenece. But I agree that pubs and dems intentionally keep that a pipe dream. Instant run off voting, direct elections and non-gerymandered district drawings would go a long way.

 

[Prestor John]

All systems will marginalize minorities, just different ones to different extents.

Agreed. That is why I said a majority vote would "further" marginalize them.

 

[Prestor John]

Because Pence is one of the Republicans leading the charge to overturn Obergefell v Hodges, allow religious bigotry to supersede civil liberties, and strip and prevent LBGT-rights.

Would you mind sharing some source? I am wholly unaware of this.

 

[Prestor John]

While that is technically true, do all such groups deserve any shred of sympathy? If the Klan feels marginalized and like America just doesn't reflect their values, and that it's so hard for them to speak their mind without public backlash, why should we even care?

I don't agree with the Klan either, but they should have the same right and ability to speak as anyone else.

 

[Prestor John]

Yes. Some are flat earthers. Some are reprobates that feel pineapple should go on pizza. I think the point attempting to be made and I'll be making now is that minorities don't automatically deserve to be free from marginlization. Only specific minority groups are allowed the right to be free from it. Things like race, sexual orientation ect are innate qualities define minority roles that are given rights despite being the minority. People living in the midwest shouldn't get artifically inflated votes simply because of their demographic positions.

I wholeheartedly disagree and feel that you think this only because you disagree with most people that live in the Midwest.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I wholeheartedly disagree and feel that you think this only because you disagree with most people that live in the Midwest.

Why should they get a more powerful vote than anyone else? Why should one person have more say than another?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Would you mind sharing some source? I am wholly unaware of this.

If you Google Mike Pence and LBGT rights, or women's rights, you will find far more than I can post here. But to give a direct quote of his, he does believe homosexual couples are a signal of societal collapse, he is against workplace protections for LBGT citizens, and he was against scraping Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

 

[suncowiam]

Is it fair?

All it suggests to me is that Democrats need to move out of big cities and populate other areas.

It's just a system. Even a true democracy can't be labeled as fair.

 

[idav]

Indeed. There are several viable ways to improve the chances of 3rd party political presenece. But I agree that pubs and dems intentionally keep that a pipe dream. Instant run off voting, direct elections and non-gerymandered district drawings would go a long way.

I don't buy the argument that both do those things equally as often. Pubs certainly take the lead in messing with voter rights.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't agree with the Klan either, but they should have the same right and ability to speak as anyone else.

They should be able to speak (for the most part anyways, I do believe explicit calls for violence should be banned), but their ideology should not drive legislation, it should not be a concern to protect, and they are very unworthy of any sympathy for their ideology being heavily marginalized.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't buy the argument that both do those things equally as often. Pubs certainly take the lead in messing with voter rights.

Such as their voter ID laws, which included not just a requirement of ID to vote, but so many added provisions that made it harder for mostly Democrat-voting demographs to get an ID if they didn't have one, reducing voting hours and days, stupid stipulations such as allowing a CCW but not a student ID, and other things that made it clear the intention wasn't so much a requirement for ID as it was balk Democrat voters from voting.

 

[suncowiam]

If you Google Mike Pence and LBGT rights, or women's rights, you will find far more than I can post here. But to give a direct quote of his, he does believe homosexual couples are a signal of societal collapse, he is against workplace protections for LBGT citizens, and he was against scraping Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

Mike Pence is a horrible person. He's more eloquent and civil than Trump but don't let that fool you. His ideals are much more extreme and divisive.

He's also quoted to suggest that tobacco has no health concerns.

"Time for a quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn’t kill."

He's taken big tobacco money. Anyone that still believes tobacco is safe, clearly is either an idiot, delusional, or bending their ethical values. Is this man a true Christian to defend something that has been proven to cause cancer and addiction?

 

[Prestor John]

Why should they get a more powerful vote than anyone else? Why should one person have more say than another?

The President of the United States is elected by the nation, not just those in urban areas.

This allows the intellectual diversity of the nation to be heard.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not all marginalized minorities are Klansmen.

That was obviously just one example, and an example of a minority group that doesn't deserve promotion.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I don't buy the argument that both do those things equally as often. Pubs certainly take the lead in messing with voter rights.

9/10 times I agree with you. But the last election has been a hell of a learning experience. The sheer effort put into keeping Bernie Sanders out gave the DNC the MVP award for it this year. Historically? You are correct. Every election aside from this current presidential election? Yes. I think that republicans have an incredible skill and finesse that the democrats can only dream of when they gerrymand congressional districts in their states. I mean really...damn its a work of art. Its why we have more democrat votes for congressmen nearly every year and yet just as consistantly we have a republican majority.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Mike Pence is a horrible person. He's more eloquent and civil than Trump but don't let that fool you. His ideals are much more extreme and divisive.

He's also quoted to suggest that tobacco has no health concerns.

"Time for a quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn’t kill."

He's taken big tobacco money. Anyone that still believes tobacco is safe, clearly is either an idiot, delusional, or bending their ethical values. Is this man a true Christian to defend something that has been proven to cause cancer and addiction?

Yes. I don't know what is more appalling: that he actually said that, or that people actually elected him and kept him in various state-level positions.

 

[Prestor John]

If you Google Mike Pence and LBGT rights, or women's rights, you will find far more than I can post here. But to give a direct quote of his, he does believe homosexual couples are a signal of societal collapse, he is against workplace protections for LBGT citizens, and he was against scraping Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

Just a single source for each quote would help me out.

I just want to read the exact same quotes you have read.

 

[Prestor John]

Mike Pence is a horrible person. He's more eloquent and civil than Trump but don't let that fool you. His ideals are much more extreme and divisive.

He's also quoted to suggest that tobacco has no health concerns.

"Time for a quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn’t kill."

He's taken big tobacco money. Anyone that still believes tobacco is safe, clearly is either an idiot, delusional, or bending their ethical values. Is this man a true Christian to defend something that has been proven to cause cancer and addiction?

Would you mind sharing a source for that quote?

 

[Prestor John]

They should be able to speak (for the most part anyways, I do believe explicit calls for violence should be banned), but their ideology should not drive legislation, it should not be a concern to protect, and they are very unworthy of any sympathy for their ideology being heavily marginalized.

Calls to action (such as violence) are not considered "speech".

Anyone and everyone's ideology should have a voice and should have a direct impact legislation.

You cannot pick and choose whose rights you want to protect. You are either for all or for none.