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Why the HATE?

I believe in Jesus Christ. In college, I learned about many different religions. Never once did I have HATE toward any other religion/deities. So why is it such a strong HATE towards Jesus Christ? Why the hostility? I will share why I think hate rears its ugly head anytime Jesus is brought up in a conversation with or around non believers. I think its because the truth hurts. I have noticed the same type of hate when the truth its revealed in other instances. One can talk about the Dalai Lama /Buddha/satan/atheists beliefs- all day around me. I believe every knee shall bow, every tongue confess, that Jesus Christ is LORD. So I listen and ask my questions ( if speaking with ppl who believe different from me about religion) and move on with my life. I share my testimony, maybe a few verses, then I'm done. I do not intentionally INSULT their beliefs!

But others seem to get a raging attitude and have the most sarcastic, disrespectful and inconsiderate comments about Jesus Christ. They also seem to be eager to break my spirit or try to make me feel dumb about my beliefs!...keep in mind that i don associate with rude ppl on purpose..the rudeness is hidden until religion becomes a topic! Someone asked me at work "how do you deal with the stress of having 3 sons?" I answered.." I pray a lot and lean on Jesus for strength and wisdom"...you would have thought that I said "I kill babies with chainsaws and rape old women"...the look I was given said 1000 words...and I just could not understand why at the time.

Why the hate??? What is your opinion?:)
 

Nanda

Polyanna
I don't think it's Jesus so much as his followers. I'm a non-believer, and I don't hate Jesus. I'm not too crazy about overzealous Christians who won't leave me in peace, but mostly it's not much of an issue. :shrug:
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
People don't usually hate Jesus. They dislike the religion, Christianity, or the followers of Christianity.

You have to understand that many people have been treated badly by Christians who basically condemn anybody who does not accept Jesus as being real or Divine. It is easy to then approach the subject with some negativity.
 

Zephyr

Moved on
I don't think it's Jesus so much as his followers. I'm a non-believer, and I don't hate Jesus. I'm not too crazy about overzealous Christians who won't leave me in peace, but mostly it's not much of an issue. :shrug:

This. I may hate Christians and Christianity in general, but Jerusalem Slim was alright.
 

Renji

Well-Known Member
I believe in Jesus Christ. In college, I learned about many different religions. Never once did I have HATE toward any other religion/deities. So why is it such a strong HATE towards Jesus Christ? Why the hostility? I will share why I think hate rears its ugly head anytime Jesus is brought up in a conversation with or around non believers. I think its because the truth hurts. I have noticed the same type of hate when the truth its revealed in other instances. One can talk about the Dalai Lama /Buddha/satan/atheists beliefs- all day around me. I believe every knee shall bow, every tongue confess, that Jesus Christ is LORD. So I listen and ask my questions ( if speaking with ppl who believe different from me about religion) and move on with my life. I share my testimony, maybe a few verses, then I'm done. I do not intentionally INSULT their beliefs!

But others seem to get a raging attitude and have the most sarcastic, disrespectful and inconsiderate comments about Jesus Christ. They also seem to be eager to break my spirit or try to make me feel dumb about my beliefs!...keep in mind that i don associate with rude ppl on purpose..the rudeness is hidden until religion becomes a topic! Someone asked me at work "how do you deal with the stress of having 3 sons?" I answered.." I pray a lot and lean on Jesus for strength and wisdom"...you would have thought that I said "I kill babies with chainsaws and rape old women"...the look I was given said 1000 words...and I just could not understand why at the time.

Why the hate??? What is your opinion?:)

I think it is not Jesus that they hate. Maybe some of them just don't believe in Him but they don't actually hate Jesus.. I think it is much better if you asked " Why do they refuse Jesus?" Refusing is different from hating.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Why the hostility?
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I think its because the truth hurts. I have noticed the same type of hate when the truth its revealed in other instances.
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I believe every knee shall bow, every tongue confess, that Jesus Christ is LORD. I share my testimony, maybe a few verses, then I'm done. I do not intentionally INSULT their beliefs!
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Why the hate??? What is your opinion?

Have you considered that perhaps your attitude and the way you express your opinions actually are insulting to people who hold different beliefs?

Regarding religion and politics, when your speaking with someone who holds different views from yours who hasn't explicitly asked you about your views, the only way not to be rude/insulting is to keep your opinion to yourself - otherwise it comes off as preachy and intrusive.
 
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Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
I believe in Jesus Christ. In college, I learned about many different religions. Never once did I have HATE toward any other religion/deities. So why is it such a strong HATE towards Jesus Christ? Why the hostility? I will share why I think hate rears its ugly head anytime Jesus is brought up in a conversation with or around non believers. I think its because the truth hurts. I have noticed the same type of hate when the truth its revealed in other instances. One can talk about the Dalai Lama /Buddha/satan/atheists beliefs- all day around me. I believe every knee shall bow, every tongue confess, that Jesus Christ is LORD. So I listen and ask my questions ( if speaking with ppl who believe different from me about religion) and move on with my life. I share my testimony, maybe a few verses, then I'm done. I do not intentionally INSULT their beliefs!

But others seem to get a raging attitude and have the most sarcastic, disrespectful and inconsiderate comments about Jesus Christ. They also seem to be eager to break my spirit or try to make me feel dumb about my beliefs!...keep in mind that i don associate with rude ppl on purpose..the rudeness is hidden until religion becomes a topic! Someone asked me at work "how do you deal with the stress of having 3 sons?" I answered.." I pray a lot and lean on Jesus for strength and wisdom"...you would have thought that I said "I kill babies with chainsaws and rape old women"...the look I was given said 1000 words...and I just could not understand why at the time.

Why the hate??? What is your opinion?:)

First, you generalize all non-believers which would be fine if there were only a handful of exceptions. But explicitly anti-theistic atheists are only a fraction of the totality of non-believers. However, I include myself in that anti-theistic category.

Next, to answer your question, I don't hate the people holding those beliefs. Like you, I think the other side just has it wrong. But unlike you, I have good reasons.

You make assertions about things you cannot possibly know. You mention specific characteristics of God and talk of His wants, desires and plan. But you cannot possibly know that. I don't claim to know. I think that there is no reason to believe in God because there is no evidence to support the existence of God. [And by "you", I mean Christians in general. I too must generalize].

I don't claim with 100% certainty that "God does not exist". Instead, I say "God probably doesn't exist" as absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I whole-heartedly think that everything has a naturalistic explanation to it - everything can and will eventually be explained by science. I think as humans we should labour towards a comprehensive understanding of the universe.

But Christianity - or religion in particular - is not only intellectual stagnation, but moral stagnation. It starts with the conclusion "God exists" and then works to find evidence, which is the exact opposite of how science works. Then it has the audacity to base a moral code off these unproven assumptions like "God exists and has properties X, Y, and Z", and it tries to enforce it. Not enforcing it through education or awareness or sound logic and reasoning, but by intimidation. "If you do A, B, or C, you're going to Hell where you'll roast forever!!!".

I don't believe in God for the same reason you don't believe in Zeus, Apollo, Thor, or Ammon-Ra. I just go one God further. I find the moral code of Christianity to be very devaluing of humanity. A God who doles out infinite punishments for finite crimes is not a fair judge nor a moral being. A God who screws up in creating humanity is not a perfect God. A God who commands genocide is not worthy of my admiration. A God who kills every first-born in Egypt is not worthy of my respect.

Nor are the institutions that advance God's appalling message. The Catholic Church in particular. These institutions are full of greed, corruption, and hypocrisy. They promote their anti-gay, homophobic agendas with poor reasoning based on obscure Bible verses. They pass around the collection plate and try to make you feel guilty to give to the starving Africans as they laze about in their golden, priceless art-adorned palaces at the Vatican. They spend hundreds of millions of dollars shielding pedophile priests from the cold, rational grip of justice. They spent decades in my country beating, killing, and infecting Native children. This was up until the year 1996.

They support dictatorships and they flagrantly oppose scientific advancements like stem cell research that would save millions of lives. They oppose contraception use that would save millions of lives. And they all do this based on this flawed morality. This disgusting notion that God is pleased with all this. Their unproven assumption.

Fanatical religious followers have done more harm to the world than anything I can think of. And docile beliefs are precisely the same as fanatical ones. This is what makes moderate religion dangerous.

I support people thinking for themselves and using evidence, logic, and reason to determine what is true and moral. I support people shedding the ball-and-chain of religious oppression that threaten eternity in Hell for non-sins like being a homosexual. The very same ball-and-chain that tells them WHAT to think, not HOW to think critically.

If your religion leads you to personal happiness and does not detract from the happiness of others, I wish you all the best in your faith. But realize this. Your faith is not a fact. It is a belief. Do not trumpet it as a fact and do not expect others to follow your highly immoral code of ethics. And where your religion does detract from the happiness of others and their freedoms, you bet your Holy Cross I'm going to denounce the barbarism and incivility and anti-human nature of your beliefs and expose them for what they really are: intolerant bigotry.


Hope that answers your question.
 
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dogsgod

Well-Known Member
"I believe every knee shall bow, every tongue confess, that Jesus Christ is LORD."

And you wonder why people feel insulted.:facepalm:
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
Why the hostility? I will share why I think hate rears its ugly head anytime Jesus is brought up in a conversation with or around non believers.

I use to wonder the same thing when I was a Christian. Now I see that its a two way street. Christians do there share of bad behavior aimed at non believers. You are just paying the price for it.
 

Scott1

Well-Known Member
Now I see that its a two way street. Christians do there share of bad behavior aimed at non believers. You are just paying the price for it.
Well said...

... not to mention if an atheist was looking for a debate in the town square, shouts of "There is no Zeus!" does not draw much of a crowd.:)
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
I use to wonder the same thing when I was a Christian. Now I see that its a two way street. Christians do there share of bad behavior aimed at non believers. You are just paying the price for it.

After 2000 years of brutality, killing, and oppression in the name of their God, they are finally getting a well-deserved come-uppance.
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
Well said...

... not to mention if an atheist was looking for a debate in the town square, shouts of "There is no Zeus!" does not draw much of a crowd.:)

True enough. So as a Roman Catholic, why do you reject the mighty thunderous power of Almighty Zeus, if I may ask?
 

Scott1

Well-Known Member
True enough. So as a Roman Catholic, why do you reject the mighty thunderous power of Almighty Zeus, if I may ask?
Feel free to start a new thread and I will be happy to answer.... hate to drag this thread off topic.

I've been gone for a bit, but I think I still remember most of the rules.:)
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
Feel free to start a new thread and I will be happy to answer.... hate to drag this thread off topic.

I've been gone for a bit, but I think I still remember most of the rules.:)

Meh. When I have the will, I may pay a visit to the Catholic DIR some time later. It was an unimportant diversion that I hoped could be answered in a post or two.
 

Smoke

Done here.
So why is it such a strong HATE towards Jesus Christ?
People don't hate Jesus. They hate the nasty, self-righteous, self-satisfied, bigoted people who claim to be his followers. I don't hate Jesus and I don't hate Christians, but when I see a Jesus fish on a car I do have an immediate, negative reaction, and that arises directly from the literally thousands of negative experiences I've had with the kind of people who put Jesus fish on their cars, with the institutionalized homophobia of the churches, with the disdainful attitudes toward gay people and women that I've encountered among Christians, and with constant Christian attempts to rationalize despicable behavior that directly contradicts the teachings of Jesus.

I think its because the truth hurts.
Of course you do.
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
People don't hate Jesus. They hate the nasty, self-righteous, self-satisfied, bigoted people who claim to be his followers. I don't hate Jesus and I don't hate Christians, but when I see a Jesus fish on a car I do have an immediate, negative reaction, and that arises directly from the literally thousands of negative experiences I've had with the kind of people who put Jesus fish on their cars, with the institutionalized homophobia of the churches, with the disdainful attitudes toward gay people and women that I've encountered among Christians, and with constant Christian attempts to rationalize despicable behavior that directly contradicts the teachings of Jesus.

Exactly! If someone finds that following the message of Jesus helps them lead a better life, all the power to them! But when they masquerade their hate and bigotry and label it as Jesus' message, of course they're going to get some backlash from people like me and you who don't tolerate their garbage.
 

Vile Atheist

Loud and Obnoxious
And they should get that "backlash".... from ALL people of good will. :)

I'm really liking you today, Scott :D! You're absolutely correct. It is not only the duty of non-believers to point out these things, but of the people whose faith is being misrepresented. Their voices should be the loudest.

Frubals for you.
 
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