Why the HATE?

[richardlowellt]

Haha I have to give you frubals just for the use of a Conan(since I just watch that movie today).
And to keep on topic I agree with what most have posted here.

Good movie one of my favorites as I read all the Conan books back in college. "Ha ha, my God Crom laughs at your God"

 

[Arkholt]

God can exist independently of whether or not science can explain something, yes. But if science is able to attribute a rational, naturalistic explanation to everything, then that detracts from the probability of God's existence. Too many theists love to attribute things they don't understand to God. "Why is the sky blue?" "God made it that way."

But if we can explain how God is not required to colour the sky, people are going to see the irrelevance of God in that factor and will be less inclined to accept God because of it. I could be wrong, but that's the way I see it. I just find God - existing or not - is an irrelevant factor in explaining naturalistic phenomena.

This is very true. This is why science and religion don't mix, and don't need to. Religion isn't meant to explain naturalistic phenomena; that's what science is for. Religion is for other things.

As for the topic at hand... The problem with having religious discussions is how you say things. Tact seems to be out of common usage these days. People need to realize that there is more than one way to say something. If you say something the wrong way, you could get in trouble.

 

[balloonbasket]

First, you generalize all non-believers which would be fine if there were only a handful of exceptions. But explicitly anti-theistic atheists are only a fraction of the totality of non-believers. However, I include myself in that anti-theistic category.

Next, to answer your question, I don't hate the people holding those beliefs. Like you, I think the other side just has it wrong. But unlike you, I have good reasons.

You make assertions about things you cannot possibly know. You mention specific characteristics of God and talk of His wants, desires and plan. But you cannot possibly know that. I don't claim to know. I think that there is no reason to believe in God because there is no evidence to support the existence of God. [And by "you", I mean Christians in general. I too must generalize].

I don't claim with 100% certainty that "God does not exist". Instead, I say "God probably doesn't exist" as absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I whole-heartedly think that everything has a naturalistic explanation to it - everything can and will eventually be explained by science. I think as humans we should labour towards a comprehensive understanding of the universe.

But Christianity - or religion in particular - is not only intellectual stagnation, but moral stagnation. It starts with the conclusion "God exists" and then works to find evidence, which is the exact opposite of how science works. Then it has the audacity to base a moral code off these unproven assumptions like "God exists and has properties X, Y, and Z", and it tries to enforce it. Not enforcing it through education or awareness or sound logic and reasoning, but by intimidation. "If you do A, B, or C, you're going to Hell where you'll roast forever!!!".

I don't believe in God for the same reason you don't believe in Zeus, Apollo, Thor, or Ammon-Ra. I just go one God further. I find the moral code of Christianity to be very devaluing of humanity. A God who doles out infinite punishments for finite crimes is not a fair judge nor a moral being. A God who screws up in creating humanity is not a perfect God. A God who commands genocide is not worthy of my admiration. A God who kills every first-born in Egypt is not worthy of my respect.

Nor are the institutions that advance God's appalling message. The Catholic Church in particular. These institutions are full of greed, corruption, and hypocrisy. They promote their anti-gay, homophobic agendas with poor reasoning based on obscure Bible verses. They pass around the collection plate and try to make you feel guilty to give to the starving Africans as they laze about in their golden, priceless art-adorned palaces at the Vatican. They spend hundreds of millions of dollars shielding pedophile priests from the cold, rational grip of justice. They spent decades in my country beating, killing, and infecting Native children. This was up until the year 1996.

They support dictatorships and they flagrantly oppose scientific advancements like stem cell research that would save millions of lives. They oppose contraception use that would save millions of lives. And they all do this based on this flawed morality. This disgusting notion that God is pleased with all this. Their unproven assumption.

Fanatical religious followers have done more harm to the world than anything I can think of. And docile beliefs are precisely the same as fanatical ones. This is what makes moderate religion dangerous.

I support people thinking for themselves and using evidence, logic, and reason to determine what is true and moral. I support people shedding the ball-and-chain of religious oppression that threaten eternity in Hell for non-sins like being a homosexual. The very same ball-and-chain that tells them WHAT to think, not HOW to think critically.

If your religion leads you to personal happiness and does not detract from the happiness of others, I wish you all the best in your faith. But realize this. Your faith is not a fact. It is a belief. Do not trumpet it as a fact and do not expect others to follow your highly immoral code of ethics. And where your religion does detract from the happiness of others and their freedoms, you bet your Holy Cross I'm going to denounce the barbarism and incivility and anti-human nature of your beliefs and expose them for what they really are: intolerant bigotry.


Hope that answers your question.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but you seem really angry about it all?

 

[Poisonshady313]

I like Jesus... I'd give him a great big man hug if I saw him.

Unfortunately his dad has some strange rules that I'm required to follow and they just don't make any sense to me, so I'm going to a place of eternal pain and suffering... so I'll never get that hug

Here's an atheist that disagrees with this assessment...

In the old testament - gruesome as it is, recommending as it is of genocide, racism, tribalism, slavery, the displacement and destruction of others - terrible as the old testament gods are, they don't promise to punish the dead. There is no talk of torturing you after the earth has closed over the Amalekites.

Only when gentile Jesus, meek and mild, makes his appearance are those who won't accept the message told they must depart into everlasting fire.

- Christopher Hitchens.

I wouldn't give Jesus a hug. I don't like him. Hate's kind of a strong word... I just plain don't like him.

 

[Poisonshady313]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but you seem really angry about it all?

Angry about having a generalization made about him. Me too. I may not like Jesus... doesn't mean that I hate him.

I may hate what many of his followers did in his name... but that doesn't mean I hate him.

 

[tumbleweed41]

So why is it such a strong HATE towards Jesus Christ?
Why the hate??? What is your opinion?

I do not "hate" Jesus Christ, or the Abrahamic God any more than I "hate" Pinocchio or Geppetto .
I do, however have a strong dislike for intentional ignorance and self righteous arrogance.

 

[Vile Atheist]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but you seem really angry about it all?

I wouldn't use the word "angry". I'd probably say more "passionate". Seeing as my life has been affected so much by religion, often times my freedom of speech and religion being violated because of it, yeah, I'm inclined to have a word or two about it. In that sense, I'm not angry.

But I do get angry when someone straps a bomb to themself and walks into an orphanage to blow himself up because he'll think he'll get 72 virgins in Heaven for it. I do get angry when rampant religiously-justified homophobia infringes on the basic rights of humans. I do get angry when good people are being told they are going to burn in Hell forever because they merely don't accept the delusion. I'm sick of being told - as an atheist - I have no morals or my morality is defunct by people who would have no qualms killing innocent human beings if ordered by their celestial dictator to do so.

I'm sick of people asserting there is a God, ridicule and insult you for not believing in it, and then when asked for evidence, say it's all down to faith. I'm sick of people killing each other because of these stupid delusions. I'm sick of people fighting each other for generations because of a slight difference of opinion.

I have little problem with belief. I have little problem with believers. And I'm going to respect them if they're respectful and honest. But what I'm not going to respect is bigotry, celestially justified or not.

 

[Katzpur]

I have little problem with belief. I have little problem with believers. And I'm going to respect them if they're respectful and honest. But what I'm not going to respect is bigotry, celestially justified or not.

I have little problem with unbelief or with unbelievers. And I'm going to respect them if they're respectful and honest. Finally, I'm with you when it comes to bigotry. No wonder you as an atheist and I as a believer have shared no hostile words.

 

[TheKnight]

Why the hate??? What is your opinion?

I hope I can shed some light.

I am a Christianity hater. I hate the religion of Christianity and everything about it. I recognize that for many it makes them better people. It makes them to do better things with their lives. However, the same could probably have been said about Hitler's ideologies.

As a former Christian, I probably recognize it more than someone who's never been a Christian would. Christianity, the mindset and paradigm it creates in a person, is a harmful thing. To this world, to the idea of peace, to the idea of unity, it is harmful. Christianity offers a superficial peace, a peace that is conditional on its acceptance.

As a human being, I will fight against this religion in any way that I can. I will do my best to bring people out of the irrationality that it causes. Why do I hate it? Because I see what it does. I would rather that you believe in something that is wrong, and know it is wrong, and be a wrong person than to have you believe that something is true, with all your heart, and it be the wrong thing.

Christianity leads to all sorts of negative behaviors (disagree all you like, but history agrees with me). The saddest thing is that Christianity is not internally consistent.


All in all, Christianity deserves the hatred it receives. I agree, many non-Theists hate Christianity for misconceptions of Christianity. I, however, believe that there are too many true conceptions of Christianity that warrant its hatred for a person to hate Christianity for a conception that isn't even true.

I hope that helped.

 

[Vile Atheist]

I have little problem with unbelief or with unbelievers. And I'm going to respect them if they're respectful and honest. Finally, I'm with you when it comes to bigotry. No wonder you as an atheist and I as a believer have shared no hostile words.

At the end of the day, we're all humans. And we all want the same things: peace, love, and happiness. We just have different ideas of how to achieve that. And we may have difference of opinion, but deep down I know most people have good intentions. And anything negative they do is not because of their nature, but because of their way of thinking.

 

[Madhuri]

At the end of the day, we're all humans. And we all want the same things: peace, love, and happiness.

Not according to the OP of Obama = Antichrist.
Apparently peace is evil and Jesus is pro-war.

 

[Sunstone]

At the end of the day, we're all humans. And we all want the same things: peace, love, and happiness.

And beer.

 

[Vile Atheist]

Not according to the OP of Obama = Antichrist.
Apparently peace is evil and Jesus is pro-war.

To people like us, this seems deranged. But I'm sure in some perversion of logic in the OP, good intent was behind it. It is our duty to rectify that logic.

 

[Madhuri]

To people like us, this seems deranged. But I'm sure in some perversion of logic in the OP, good intent was behind it. It is our duty to rectify that logic.

Lol, have you read that thread? Logic doesn't play any part at all. There's no rectifying something that doesn't exist.

 

[Sunstone]

Not according to the OP of Obama = Antichrist.
Apparently peace is evil and Jesus is pro-war.

I can't figure out if he's gone off his meds or just never got on them to begin with.

 

[Poisonshady313]

To people like us, this seems deranged. But I'm sure in some perversion of logic in the OP, good intent was behind it. It is our duty to rectify that logic.

Think not that I come to bring peace. I bring, not peace, but a sword.

- Jesus


You can try and get all metaphorical and analytical about this... but this is the plain text... and even in context, it's clear that he came to disrupt things.

 

[Madhuri]

I can't figure out if he's gone off his meds or just never got on them to begin with.

I can't understand why anybody would choose to take such a negative interpretation. Lol, did you read the part where he says that the anti-christ is all for peace and unity? Hahaha! How evil is peace and acceptance!
I've definitely never heard this concept before. It seems just as absurd as claiming that love and light are evil.

 

[Sunstone]

It seems just as absurd as claiming that love and light are evil.

Completely absurd. Which is why I think we might be dealing with a medical problem here.

 

[Vile Atheist]

Like I said. It seems deranged to us. And I personally don't know how he justifies it in his mind. But I will give him the benefit of the doubt and believe he has good intentions.

I do find his way of thinking repulsive, though. And that is either corrected through medication (as Sunstone noted), or showing him patiently why he's being a whackaloon.

 

[OmarKhayyam]

"Like I he justifies it in his mind. But I will give him the benefit of the doubt and believe he has good intentionssaid. It seems deranged to us."


I don't why you guys are wringing your hands over FFH. He is a good god-fearing bible- believing christian doing what such people DO.

He may a bit extreme for some but NOTHING he has said that I've read can't be supported by scripture. He is simply taking the "faith" seriously. There is nothing illogical in anything he says IF you buy into his myth.