Why the law of Moses prohibits anal sex

[Simplelogic]

The Law of Moses was never intended for Gentiles.

ok

 

[Simplelogic]

Fine, that's ok. Its sort of like -I like blue car and you like red car (such beliefs are not a threat to our civilization after all).

Ok. I don't need you to agree. My point was that I believe the Torah's strict stance of anal sex was due to the danger it presents to humans. Many Bible believers maintain that God was against homosexual's themselves. This was clearly not the case. The prohibition was against one specific action. An action, we now know is a dangerous practice which spreads disease very easily. Of course, I can't prove my theory. Just providing a logic reason and interpretation for why I believe it.

 

[McBell]

I can understand gay men having no other way to have intercourse than anal sex, but as far as straight people's obsession with it I find it quite disgusting, I think the main appeal of anal sex to straight men is that they find it demeaning to women, and that turns them on. I mean look at it this way, if you are a straight man, which female orifice was designed for sex and which was not, you can have vaginal or oral sex without having to wash of the feces from your member, what is so appealing to men about sxxt that they want to be that close to it. This is in no way referring to gay men, they have a good excuse, no vaginas!!

How do you explain the women who enjoy and even want anal sex?

 

[JoStories]

The question seems flawed. The problem isn't blood or crap by itself. Its about improper exposure or consumption. This is why the Torah outlines what is acceptable and what is not. The same goes for the animals. All animals have purpose in life but only some are meant for human consumption.

Here is what I find oxymoronic about your posts and remarks. In many, you argue that the writers were completely wrong and that none are examples of what God wants. You disparage Judaism in particular but also Islam and Christianity in one breath and then in the next, you tout the Torah as being correct in this instance. One cannot have things both ways. This is the very nature of cherry picking and standing on one or two principles that fit your agenda while rejecting the rest.

 

[JoStories]

Ok. I don't need you to agree. My point was that I believe the Torah's strict stance of anal sex was due to the danger it presents to humans. Many Bible believers maintain that God was against homosexual's themselves. This was clearly not the case. The prohibition was against one specific action. An action, we now know is a dangerous practice which spreads disease very easily. Of course, I can't prove my theory. Just providing a logic reason and interpretation for why I believe it.

Strange how my cousin has been gay his entire life, and his adult life began in the late 80's when HIV was highly prevalent, he has NEVER contracted any disease. One can practice anal sex and have it not be 'dangerous' Vaginal sex can be dangerous if one is abusive or particularly 'rough'. And disease can be spread various ways, including through vaginal and oral sex. Even kissing can spread disease.

 

[JoStories]

The problem here is assuming that there is some absolute risk involved with anal intercourse that is somehow not able to be forestalled and prevented with prophylactics and proper hygiene. I'm a virgin, but anal sex is not something that's to be entered into lightly (no pun intended). There's some preparation involved, it's intended to be done with the utmost safety, not just some carnal lust.

As much as there may be risk with sex, that applies to any act of sex when done irresponsibly, I think we agree on that. But you're going a bit too far in saying that because there's more obvious risk with one type of sex that it must be outright prohibited when the text of the Hebrew, far as I'm aware, doesn't seem to specify the sex acts itself, but merely that you treat a man as a woman, which gets into gender role debates more than sexual morality.

Well spoken!

 

[SkepticThinker]

I still maintain that the Torah's prohibition against anal sex was meant to protect humans from disease. Particularly the humans who would be tempted with pursuing this type of intercourse.

So how is it that there are STDs that can be contracted from plain old heterosexual sex?

 

[Simplelogic]

So how is it that there are STDs that can be contracted from plain old heterosexual sex?

Statistics show that vast bulk of STD's are spread via anal sex. This is the root of the issue. Many other people now have STD's and can potentially spread them through vaginal sex as well. This doesn't mean that vaginal sex was the true problem here.

The inconvenient truth remains:

If we all stopped sleeping around and we had only vaginal intercourse we would have almost NO STD'S AT ALL!! Only those predisposed at birth would still be potential carriers.

 

[Simplelogic]

Strange how my cousin has been gay his entire life, and his adult life began in the late 80's when HIV was highly prevalent, he has NEVER contracted any disease. One can practice anal sex and have it not be 'dangerous' Vaginal sex can be dangerous if one is abusive or particularly 'rough'. And disease can be spread various ways, including through vaginal and oral sex. Even kissing can spread disease.

Then he is fortunate. CDC statistics above prove the dangers of anal sex and how easily STD's spread through this manner of sex. It can't be denied. You are also making a silly argument about anal sex not being inherently dangerous. I have already proven above that top medical experts disagree. For more see webmd.

 

[Simplelogic]

Here is what I find oxymoronic about your posts and remarks. In many, you argue that the writers were completely wrong and that none are examples of what God wants. You disparage Judaism in particular but also Islam and Christianity in one breath and then in the next, you tout the Torah as being correct in this instance. One cannot have things both ways. This is the very nature of cherry picking and standing on one or two principles that fit your agenda while rejecting the rest.

I don't belong to any religion. I still believe in the Torah though.

 

[Simplelogic]

How do you explain the women who enjoy and even want anal sex?

What do I need to explain?? There are nerve endings in the anus so it can provide sexual fulfillment to some people. Just because it can satisfy sexually does not mean it was meant for that function.

 

[muichimotsu]

Statistics show that vast bulk of STD's are spread via anal sex. This is the root of the issue. Many other people now have STD's and can potentially spread them through vaginal sex as well. This doesn't mean that vaginal sex was the true problem here.

The inconvenient truth remains:

If we all stopped sleeping around and we had only vaginal intercourse we would have almost NO STD'S AT ALL!! Only those predisposed at birth would still be potential carriers.

You really think that anal intercourse is the issue when you've pretty much brought up a point we agree on? Sleeping around/promiscuity is arguably the core issue here in terms of STDs spreading, along with ignorance of safe sex.

 

[muichimotsu]

What do I need to explain?? There are nerve endings in the anus so it can provide sexual fulfillment to some people. Just because it can satisfy sexually does not mean it was meant for that function.

This mistakenly assumes there's one function for every part of the human body, when that's clearly untrue for, say, the mouth, among some others

 

[dust1n]

If we all stopped sleeping around and we had only vaginal intercourse we would have almost NO STD'S AT ALL!! Only those predisposed at birth would still be potential carriers.

This so blatantly false and unscientific.

Herpes can be spread on the lips. Genital warts can be spread without intercourse. HIV can spread through needle exchanges. Then rape and child abuse....

Not to mention, pretty much all diseases are STD's. The ones we know as STD's are primarily spread through sex. I can catch a common cold because I have sex with someone who has a common cold. Similarly, I could catch polio the same way.

 

[psychoslice]

The Law of Moses was never intended for Gentiles.

Yea I agree with that, Judaism is one way to what we call God, as also Christianity is one way, but they and any other religion are not the only way.

 

[Simplelogic]

This so blatantly false and unscientific.

Herpes can be spread on the lips. Genital warts can be spread without intercourse. HIV can spread through needle exchanges. Then rape and child abuse....

Not to mention, pretty much all diseases are STD's. The ones we know as STD's are primarily spread through sex. I can catch a common cold because I have sex with someone who has a common cold. Similarly, I could catch polio the same way.

notice the word "almost" above ^^^

 

[muichimotsu]

notice the word "almost" above ^^^

Now you're splitting hairs: no one said otherwise to the contrary of that qualification. What we're talking about is that there's common ground here you're not acknowledging. Promiscuity is bad, I think all of us agree with that here.

 

[Simplelogic]

Now you're splitting hairs: no one said otherwise to the contrary of that qualification. What we're talking about is that there's common ground here you're not acknowledging. Promiscuity is bad, I think all of us agree with that here.

Why is that bad? And why do you assume everyone agrees?

 

[Simplelogic]

Keep in mind gay and bisexual men make up less then 2% of the US population:

• In 2010, gay and bisexual men accounted for 63% of estimated new HIV infections in the United States and 78% of infections among all newly infected men. From 2008 to 2010, new HIV infections increased 22% among young (aged 13-24) gay and bisexual men and 12% among gay and bisexual men overall.
• Among all gay and bisexual men, white gay and bisexual men accounted for 11,200 (38%) estimated new HIV infections in 2010. The largest number of new infections among white gay and bisexual men (3,300; 29%) occurred in those aged 25 to 34.
• Among all gay and bisexual men, black/African American gay and bisexual men accounted for 10,600 (36%) estimated new HIV infections in 2010. The largest number of new infections among black/African American gay and bisexual men (4,800; 45%) occurred in those aged 13 to 24. From 2008 to 2010 new infections increased 20% among young black/African American gay and bisexual men aged 13 to 24.
• Among all gay and bisexual men, Hispanic/Latino gay and bisexual men accounted for 6,700 (22%) estimated new HIV infections in 2010. The largest number of new infections among Hispanic/Latino gay and bisexual men (3,300; 39%) occurred in those aged 25 to 34.

HIV and AIDS Diagnoses

• In 2013, in the United States, gay and bisexual men accounted for 81% (30,689) of the 37,887 estimated HIV diagnoses among all males aged 13 years and older and 65% of the 47,352 estimated diagnoses among all persons receiving an HIV diagnosis that year.
• In 2013, gay and bisexual men accounted for 55% of the estimated number of persons diagnosed with AIDS among all adults and adolescents in the United States. Of the estimated 14,611 gay and bisexual men diagnosed with AIDS, 40% were blacks/African Americans; 32% were whites; and 23% were Hispanics/Latinos.

Gay and Bisexual Men | HIV by Group | HIV/AIDS | CDC

 

[muichimotsu]

Why is that bad? And why do you assume everyone agrees?

It's bad in the sense of violating trust in relationships that are generally monogamous in nature. If you're polyamorous, that's different.

I assume because I don't think anyone has suggested that sleeping around is perfectly acceptable in itself.